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nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
February 08 2013 20:49 GMT
#2741
On February 09 2013 05:32 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2013 05:31 Inschato wrote:
Okay okay. My guess: She's a shapeshifter. Eagle form abilities are dumb as hell and cost no mana with lots of gapclosing, and human form is ranged and has sustain and escape and poke. Because 6 ability champions are really dumb.


But the journal entries make it pretty clear Val and Quinn are different.

Where do you see the name Quinn?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 08 2013 20:49 GMT
#2742
On February 09 2013 05:39 Inschato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2013 05:32 nojitosunrise wrote:
On February 09 2013 05:31 Inschato wrote:
Okay okay. My guess: She's a shapeshifter. Eagle form abilities are dumb as hell and cost no mana with lots of gapclosing, and human form is ranged and has sustain and escape and poke. Because 6 ability champions are really dumb.


But the journal entries make it pretty clear Val and Quinn are different.

No but see this guy really likes releasing annoying as hell 6 ability champions. Jayce. Elise. It's almost time for another one. (If it were an arithmetical sequence, there would still be one more non-6 ability champion, but lets assume they're not being that precise.)

I really don't like Nidalee, Jayce, Elise, Lee Sin & Shyvana in case you couldn't tell.


Shyvana? Really?

I feel bad for the dragon. They need to buff her damage or something. No utility and no sustain is a bummer.
Freeeeeeedom
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 08 2013 20:52 GMT
#2743
On February 09 2013 05:49 nosliw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2013 05:32 nojitosunrise wrote:
On February 09 2013 05:31 Inschato wrote:
Okay okay. My guess: She's a shapeshifter. Eagle form abilities are dumb as hell and cost no mana with lots of gapclosing, and human form is ranged and has sustain and escape and poke. Because 6 ability champions are really dumb.


But the journal entries make it pretty clear Val and Quinn are different.

Where do you see the name Quinn?

The images are named "Quinn's Journal Page x"
It's your boy Guzma!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 08 2013 20:52 GMT
#2744
On February 09 2013 05:37 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2013 05:31 Numy wrote:
On February 09 2013 05:25 Requizen wrote:
On February 09 2013 05:18 Eiii wrote:
There's no way we'll see a 'real' pet system. Something like ori/tibbers is the closest we're gonna get for a long time, I think.

Well, they did say she's a "real doozy" design-wise, so maybe we'll see something different.


A real pet system would require the complete redesign of how the game deals with selection. The ability to deselect your champ and select other things would be required.

I guess you could do the whole alt-control thing you do with Tibbers/Morde ult, but that would get clumsy real fast.


Don't really consider that a real system. No direct control will always feel clumsy and just bad to use properly.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
February 08 2013 20:57 GMT
#2745
I've always felt like they could always do "press R to switch control between your champion and your pet" kind of how control groups work in SC, press 1 for zealots 2 for dragoons
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 21:01:10
February 08 2013 21:00 GMT
#2746
On February 09 2013 05:49 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2013 05:39 Inschato wrote:
On February 09 2013 05:32 nojitosunrise wrote:
On February 09 2013 05:31 Inschato wrote:
Okay okay. My guess: She's a shapeshifter. Eagle form abilities are dumb as hell and cost no mana with lots of gapclosing, and human form is ranged and has sustain and escape and poke. Because 6 ability champions are really dumb.


But the journal entries make it pretty clear Val and Quinn are different.

No but see this guy really likes releasing annoying as hell 6 ability champions. Jayce. Elise. It's almost time for another one. (If it were an arithmetical sequence, there would still be one more non-6 ability champion, but lets assume they're not being that precise.)

I really don't like Nidalee, Jayce, Elise, Lee Sin & Shyvana in case you couldn't tell.


Shyvana? Really?

I feel bad for the dragon. They need to buff her damage or something. No utility and no sustain is a bummer.

It says something that only one of those feels underpowered to you and the rest are banworthy half the time. And Shyvana isn't really a 6 ability champion, since the abilities just get upgraded a bit while she's in dragon form. But I also hate her for being manaless so it balances out

(Oh, and Lee actually has 7 abilities, but I've gotten used to saying "6 ability champion")
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 08 2013 21:05 GMT
#2747
On February 09 2013 06:00 Inschato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2013 05:49 cLutZ wrote:
On February 09 2013 05:39 Inschato wrote:
On February 09 2013 05:32 nojitosunrise wrote:
On February 09 2013 05:31 Inschato wrote:
Okay okay. My guess: She's a shapeshifter. Eagle form abilities are dumb as hell and cost no mana with lots of gapclosing, and human form is ranged and has sustain and escape and poke. Because 6 ability champions are really dumb.


But the journal entries make it pretty clear Val and Quinn are different.

No but see this guy really likes releasing annoying as hell 6 ability champions. Jayce. Elise. It's almost time for another one. (If it were an arithmetical sequence, there would still be one more non-6 ability champion, but lets assume they're not being that precise.)

I really don't like Nidalee, Jayce, Elise, Lee Sin & Shyvana in case you couldn't tell.


Shyvana? Really?

I feel bad for the dragon. They need to buff her damage or something. No utility and no sustain is a bummer.

It says something that only one of those feels underpowered to you and the rest are banworthy half the time. And Shyvana isn't really a 6 ability champion, since the abilities just get upgraded a bit while she's in dragon form. But I also hate her for being manaless so it balances out

(Oh, and Lee actually has 7 abilities, but I've gotten used to saying "6 ability champion")

7 abilities and manaless. Balanced champ.
It's your boy Guzma!
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
February 08 2013 21:08 GMT
#2748
It amazes me how much people hate Taric on the league forums. "Hes too easy for what he does", "Taric is in 51% of games".

Apparently people play vs Taric in 20 minute surrender games where bot lane dies to him repeatedly. Hes in a perfectly fine place atm.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 08 2013 21:08 GMT
#2749
Manaless champs more or less created a long run design nightmare for Riot. Probably #1 design idea that "seemed like a good idea at the time".
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 21:13:31
February 08 2013 21:12 GMT
#2750
Morgana's damage actually feels pretty damn weak now, despite the big shiny numbers on her ult (well, the fact that it still fizzles regularly on the 2nd tick certainly doesn't help... ).
And I usually play Swain atm, but since we were a premade and the normal Elo of these people was probably lower than mine I thought I could relax for once. They go for blind picks. I pick Morgana twice. Play against a Ziggs twice. Little fucker. He's a bully till you reach 5 and can outpush him, then he gets blue and it's more or less even, then you roam better than him if he gets lazy and only ults, then later on his Q cd makes you weep in a corner when you look at yours poke-wise.

On February 09 2013 05:21 RagequitBM wrote:
I hope it's not an eagle. Can you really get any more unoriginal than a ranger with an eagle pet? Haha

Well Riot isn't about doing original stuff, but rather doing uber classic stuff well.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 21:17:07
February 08 2013 21:13 GMT
#2751
On February 09 2013 06:08 Cloud9157 wrote:
It amazes me how much people hate Taric on the league forums. "Hes too easy for what he does", "Taric is in 51% of games".

Apparently people play vs Taric in 20 minute surrender games where bot lane dies to him repeatedly. Hes in a perfectly fine place atm.

So is Ez and he's had like a dozen nerfs in a row and an equal play rate and lower win rate. I think what's saving Taric from the ban hammer is what pros say.

Well Riot isn't about doing original stuff, but rather doing uber classic stuff well.

Yeah, even the souls on thresh idea isn't new. I've seen many things that were directly copied from DotA, which is fine, many of the things in DotA were probably copied from other games.

I think the DotA system is the best for pets but it's not something easy to code into LoL and probably because it'd be too hard.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
February 08 2013 21:17 GMT
#2752
That, and the fact he doesn't do as well as other supports in team fights.I still maintain that Janna is one of, if not THE, best team fighting supports
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
February 08 2013 21:22 GMT
#2753
Thresh's teamfighting is pretty crazy strong too. He's got a deadly ranged attack, a stun/hook (with optional gapcloser), an AoE knockback slow which can interrupt things like kat ult, and a pretty high damage zone control ultimate. Oh yeah, and that sounds strong without even mentioning he has an AoE shield at least as strong as Lux's (Lux's is better if it gets full use out of both halves of it, but that's a lot harder to pull off than Thresh's) with the bonus of allies being able to use it as an escape.
3.
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
February 08 2013 21:23 GMT
#2754
On February 09 2013 06:17 Cloud9157 wrote:
That, and the fact he doesn't do as well as other supports in team fights.I still maintain that Janna is one of, if not THE, best team fighting supports

Having played janna a lot this free week, I quite like her, but hmm... Maybe I'm just horrible with tornados, but team fights shift too quickly oftentimes (in terms of placement). Also, Alistar is my personal favourite.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 08 2013 21:23 GMT
#2755
On February 09 2013 06:08 TheYango wrote:
Manaless champs more or less created a long run design nightmare for Riot. Probably #1 design idea that "seemed like a good idea at the time".


I dont know how it "seemed like a good idea" to them ever. Trynd was the first, I guess you can forgive them for making a second because his ult is so problematic that they could have ignored the manaless part.

Then we get Mundo and Kat and it should be pretty clear how dumb it is, but they are not the same kind of manaless problem champs we have now, same with Morde.

Then Kennen + Shen come out and it should have stopped there, fore sure.
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 21:35:25
February 08 2013 21:24 GMT
#2756
I wasn't talking about the gameplay but rather the archetypes/tropes they derive the lore/quotes of their champions from, since the post I quoted ranted about how eagles are unoriginal. Hey, cheer up! Could be worse. Imagine a wolf.

^ I'm fine with the energy system actually. The way Riot designed it on their champs (till Zed), it gives an edge when you have energy up, like some other champs can rely on big cooldown spells (for example Jax's Counterstrike), but whatever your cooldowns you can't abuse them for long periods since the energy expenses are unsustainable. You can combo (and there's often incentive for it with the energy recuperation mechanics) but it's oriented towards short outbursts of activity.
Considering these champs are designed not to 100-0 their opponents under normal circumstances, they do well in lane and skirmishes where the fights are short and include disengaging/reengaging phases, but have a harder time during the longer teamfights where they'll run out of energy before the fight is over, and have to manage their abilities with that in mind.

Akali could be problematic in that she can 100-0 people, but that's because she's an assassin. Lee Sin has trouble with the combo of doing everything + energy, not only the fact that he relies on energy. And Zed, well... Zed is a piece of bullshit that makes me question Riot's logic for making an "assassin" one of the biggest dps in the game.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
February 08 2013 21:27 GMT
#2757
Warwick?
3.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
February 08 2013 21:31 GMT
#2758
My bad, I should have said "Boring" rather than unoriginal. You know, it's kinda like a dinner of porkchops and mashed potatoes. It can be done really well, but it's just a boring dinner.
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
February 08 2013 21:44 GMT
#2759
speaking of pet control i remember when i was playing elise, the enemy team went 2-1-2. our botlane got smashed but i won top with solo elise so i switched to bottom. there was a blitz there.

i switched to spider form. haha can't grab me.
then all of a sudden my spiders ran to the nearest enemy creep... and blitz decided to speed burst straight at me.






but it's ok bc rappel dodge
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23385 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 22:00:06
February 08 2013 21:54 GMT
#2760
taric is really fucking strong at all levels of play because he's strong in fights too because of his auras and heal

he also provides a lot in form of a human body shield if he gets farmed doesmt matter who is it ALL ad players will not ignor ea taric because theyre scared of getting stunned and set up so having a 3k hp 200 armour support at 30 minutes in is like a 3rd tank

tarics heal is one of the strongest in the game because of his -3 second cd per auto on it. At least, if you max cdr, often people just rush sightstone bulwark for more auras and wards but if you got like locket instead with cdr boots suddenly youre near max cdr.

fuck your janna she has her niche shes not blanket strong in all teamfights nad her laning phase isnt weak enough that people wouldn't have figured it out if she was the strongest teamfight support

which, btw is probably sona. (lulu/nunu with certain comps are better but sona works in every comp) but she doesnt bodyblock like taric does and weak to ganks in lane so thats why taric is often picked.
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