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samthesaluki
914 Posts
On February 08 2013 17:39 ChaoSbringer wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396568 TL LoL 10 commandments #4 Don't whine about bans or the tribunal system. i didnt whine i rage alot which to riot is bannable so i deserved ban i just wanted to inform people. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
It seems to happen in a huge amount of my games. I look at their HP real quick, and if more than 2 are over half I just leave and ping my AD back. Sometimes if I'm Leona or something I try and fight it under the turret if we won lane up till that point with some mad CC action. Been trying to do cool flanky shit through the jungle, but not much luck with that yet. I feel like a 4 man is something that just generally shouldn't happen. The enemy jungler shows up, that's ok. Enemy mid roams bot, my mid should be able to roam too (unless they're one of those farmy types or w/e), and maybe my jungler can shop up too. I just really hate losing a tower in a "won lane" and dragon control. Idk, any suggestions? | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On February 09 2013 08:37 overt wrote: I realize that I'm in the minority but I don't find the alt+click thing that clumsy. I'm pretty confident that if Annie could have Tibbers out indefinitely I could pretty easily control both of them at the same time. Granted, part of this is because Tibbers can only melee so I don't have a second set of spells to manage. If you had more than just Annie's spells then controlling Tibbers in this game would be a nightmare but for me personally I have zero issues controlling both characters at the same time. Although again this could be because Tibbers doesn't have much to manage and since he's out for such a short period of time it's easier than if you had him for like the entire game. TBH for a pet based champ one of the ways they could make the skills work is if you press R->click, it orders your pet to go do something, move attack or w/e, if you press R->Q/W/E it does a pet skill. Right click if you want to cancel as will all other skills | ||
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Sermokala
United States13876 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On February 09 2013 09:00 ticklishmusic wrote: What is the proper response to getting 4man'd bottom lane? It seems to happen in a huge amount of my games. I look at their HP real quick, and if more than 2 are over half I just leave and ping my AD back. Sometimes if I'm Leona or something I try and fight it under the turret if we won lane up till that point with some mad CC action. Been trying to do cool flanky shit through the jungle, but not much luck with that yet. I feel like a 4 man is something that just generally shouldn't happen. The enemy jungler shows up, that's ok. Enemy mid roams bot, my mid should be able to roam too (unless they're one of those farmy types or w/e), and maybe my jungler can shop up too. I just really hate losing a tower in a "won lane" and dragon control. Idk, any suggestions? sac the tower? bot tower has very little map control compared to mid. other than that, coordinate with the rest of your team, many times if the other team hangs around, even if your mid/jungle is lagging they can usually catch up and force a fight or something | ||
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discator
Germany639 Posts
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
On February 09 2013 09:38 discator wrote: Panda annie up :> You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On February 09 2013 06:17 Cloud9157 wrote: That, and the fact he doesn't do as well as other supports in team fights.I still maintain that Janna is one of, if not THE, best team fighting supports I would argue that Lulu is the best team fighting support. So much utility on every single spell. At times it feels like she's pretty much Janna, but better and the only advantage Janna has is her disengage. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On February 09 2013 09:00 ticklishmusic wrote: What is the proper response to getting 4man'd bottom lane? It seems to happen in a huge amount of my games. I look at their HP real quick, and if more than 2 are over half I just leave and ping my AD back. Sometimes if I'm Leona or something I try and fight it under the turret if we won lane up till that point with some mad CC action. Been trying to do cool flanky shit through the jungle, but not much luck with that yet. I feel like a 4 man is something that just generally shouldn't happen. The enemy jungler shows up, that's ok. Enemy mid roams bot, my mid should be able to roam too (unless they're one of those farmy types or w/e), and maybe my jungler can shop up too. I just really hate losing a tower in a "won lane" and dragon control. Idk, any suggestions? just leave (or tell bot to leave) and take mid turret. If you can't defend 3v4, that is. If you can, just hold while your mid pushes middle for free. It's never worth it to die. There's also the possibility of the mid coming late and cleaning up because the enemy team overextended, but backing off is fine. If you win your lane, any competent team will try to gank and fuck you, so things like that are to be expected. If your jungler isn't as competent then you have to cut your losses and lose the turret anyway, but dying is NEVER worth it. | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
On February 09 2013 09:46 HazMat wrote: Am I crazy or did chatrooms use to light-up like a PM when notified on LoL? I think they broke it like a year ago and never bothered to fix it lol. Yep they used to before. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On February 08 2013 20:15 Sufficiency wrote: I think her landing phase is just as "good" as before. She just doesn't scale well and does not bring enough damage to the team. Morgana was always valuable in the "push lane, go gank other lane" meta that was popular at the time. This let her take an early lead and snowball other lanes. Two big things have changed 1) The meta revolves more around pushing than holding lanes. This makes lane ganks weaker and objective plays stronger. While morgana has always been strong in a gank because she can push a lane from neutral she has been weaker at tower sieges because her wave clear doesn't work on moving creeps and because her ult requires her to be under a tower and vulnerable. 2) Itemization has severely hurt her. Morgana is entirely burst with the exception of her ultimate. The changes which have prioritized health as a defensive stat mean that she can no longer be effective with just q and w in team fights. She needs to be able to ultimate, and in order to be able to ultimate she needs to be tanky which means she doesn't do any damage. These two combine to make her sub-optimal compared to other AP mids who don't suffer those tradeoffs. Ryze, while bad at pushing, gets tanky and damage at the same time. Orianna, lux, gragas, Anivia and the rest of the group don't suffer when building damage since they can use their ultimates from safe distances In addition, morgana is weaker to physical damage assassins which are becoming more prevalent mid. Versus CC heavy AP her shield if a very valuable tool at helping her survive trades/ganks but its almost entirely useless versus the physical damage mids which rely on gap closers instead of CC. On February 09 2013 01:52 Zdrastochye wrote:Check your sarcasm detector, it might be faulty. I've run out of aggressive supports, would someone point me in the direction of one that I'm not seeing? I've been maining support Volibear to great success, but find him less successful since Thresh has come out. I've already ran support Naut, Mao, Jarvan, Lee, and Darius to enjoy them all but am stuck in finding the next one. HALP, I need more fun with aggressive supports. Alistar. As a bonus if you don't win the aggressive support game you have the best peel in the game. If you're playing against a ranged support Ashe works too. After your sight stone and tear or chalice rush CDR boots/Brutalizer and volley all day every day(on a 2.4 second CD). An Ashe/Caitlyn lane can be really amazingly strong against ranged supports/people you can kite. On February 09 2013 07:39 nafta wrote: 5/0/25 masteries 0.o.I have always thought that the only legit setups are block in defense+utility random setup and 0/9/21 lol. Depends on where your support is playing. Lulu often doesn't take the brunt of the assault and so wants to get her CD's back as fast as possible in order to be most effective. Ditto janna/roka/etc. Whereas taric would take the brunt of the return when he goes in, and because of his ability to body block would near guarantee that he was taking the majority of the damage this isn't as necessary for lulu and others who will either win fights by trading aggro, by harassing till the enemy is too low to retaliate, or by peeling. On February 09 2013 08:37 overt wrote: I realize that I'm in the minority but I don't find the alt+click thing that clumsy. I'm pretty confident that if Annie could have Tibbers out indefinitely I could pretty easily control both of them at the same time. Granted, part of this is because Tibbers can only melee so I don't have a second set of spells to manage. If you had more than just Annie's spells then controlling Tibbers in this game would be a nightmare but for me personally I have zero issues controlling both characters at the same time. Although again this could be because Tibbers doesn't have much to manage and since he's out for such a short period of time it's easier than if you had him for like the entire game. It wouldn't be a big deal if i could bind it to a single button, but i find that having too many click abilities inhibits my ability to move my own champion. Currently i use right click to move, shift+right click to attack move. To add alt+right click would mean that if i wanted to give commands at roughly the same time (say i want to move and also move my pet) i would have to make sure my clicks are perfect such that i didn't cancel commands and move the wrong way. With move/attack move on the same button its not as big a deal because i don't usually want to both move and attack move at the same time, so if i mess up at least I am heading in the right direction. But with a pet it may not be so. Controlling tibbers however is much easier, since its a single button press. On February 09 2013 09:00 ticklishmusic wrote: What is the proper response to getting 4man'd bottom lane? It seems to happen in a huge amount of my games. I look at their HP real quick, and if more than 2 are over half I just leave and ping my AD back. Sometimes if I'm Leona or something I try and fight it under the turret if we won lane up till that point with some mad CC action. Been trying to do cool flanky shit through the jungle, but not much luck with that yet. I feel like a 4 man is something that just generally shouldn't happen. The enemy jungler shows up, that's ok. Enemy mid roams bot, my mid should be able to roam too (unless they're one of those farmy types or w/e), and maybe my jungler can shop up too. I just really hate losing a tower in a "won lane" and dragon control. Idk, any suggestions? 4 man roams are very strong in soloqueue because teams aren't coordinated and don't know how to counter push. Consider if the enemy sends mid and jungle bottom. Bottom lane will want to wave clear to keep them off the tower and then retreat if once they get to it. This should give you enough time for either your jungle/mid collapse and have a 4v4 or for your jungle/mid to take mid tower or have your jungle/mid roam top and 3 man gank their top. Basically if the enemy has created an advantage through asymmetry this must leave you some advantage somewhere else in the play field. If you aren't in a position to take advantage of that then the enemy team has won that particular trade. I.E. it was won before they had 4 bottom. If you are in a position to take advantage of that then you need to aggressively make the trade. A good example of this in action is in the typical defense to the 4 man heimerdinger push strat which was used recently in tournaments (one successfully, one unsuccessfully). The typical defense is to have 3 people defend the tower while the two solo lanes push their lanes hard. The defense against 4 players bottom is essentially the same, except instead of a game wide strategy it is simply what you need to execute as soon as they come down. | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
Proud to be the newest member of @FXOpeneSports. About to do work with my comrades @Tjsalce @WestriceLoL @JRTSeven and daydreamin!!!! Navi what! | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
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Navi
5286 Posts
hard to find a jungling shotcaller, but jdwu is fantastic at both while being a very happy and chill dude. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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olabaz
United States298 Posts
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United States10110 Posts
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