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On February 09 2013 00:23 Prinate wrote:
When people talk about a percent gold lead (like team X ha a 10% gold lead compared to team Y) are you usually referring to a percentage of the total gold (X has 27.5K, Y has 22.5K; X has a 10% lead)? Or do people mean the leading team has 10% more gold than the losing team (X has 11K, Y has 10K)?
the second. 11k, 10k = 10%
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The second example Prinate.
X has 10% more gold than Y.
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On February 09 2013 00:17 JonGalt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 22:50 Alaric wrote:I just saw this, no idea where it comes from, I haven't found it on RoG or Surr@20, but I've asked the guy his source: Baleful Strike
PASSIVE: Veigar gains permanent bonus ability power when he kills a champion from any source of damage. This stacks with the active ability's AP gain.
ACTIVE: Unleashes dark energy at target enemy, dealing magic damage. If this ability deals a killing blow, Veigar gains 1 ability power permanently. This also refreshes Baleful Strike's cooldown, and refunds half of its mana cost. This bonus is doubled for large minions, large monsters, and champions. That's... wow. It probably wouldn't go live, but that's quite the extreme tentative tweak. Pew pew Veigar instantly annihilating waves with a Tear for 6 AP and 240 mana each. This would be terrifying! Also means that Veigar can kind of reset in teamfights and nuke more often.
Apparently comes from here, but it just says he saw it on PBE. Doesn't seem to have any interest in lying, though it's strange the other sites didn't pick up on it.
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just had a retarded bug affect 2 members of our team in my last ranked game
enemy team picked their champion and as it switched to our turn, we got hard randomed within 1 second. the timer hadn't even started for our picks yet :/
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United States10536 Posts
On February 08 2013 19:55 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 19:14 BlueSpace wrote:On February 08 2013 18:01 red_ wrote:On February 08 2013 17:40 Seuss wrote:On February 08 2013 17:01 101toss wrote:
The possible nasus PBE changes are making me cringe
This is including if riot removes the q crit thing I'm definitely chalking this up to Riot's impatience. The change to how stacking works literally revolutionized Nasus on its own. While it's somewhat underwhelming for Sion and Veigar in general, it made Nasus a completely legitimate jungler. It's probably one of the most inspired changes they've ever done in that regard. Nothing else, not even Q crits, was necessary to make Nasus viable. But rather than let it sink in and see what happens, there are already three separate buffs for Nasus on the PBE. °_o Welp, I'll just abuse him until they realize he's over buffed and fix the crits, revert the Wither range increase, remove the extra cast range on his ult, and then finally increase Q's mana cost (in that order). They should keep the Q mana cost change in even if the other stuff makes him really strong, because that's a huge QoL change for top-lane Nasus. Oddly enough a Nasus bot in an AI game I did for WOTD fed on some people and got like, legitimately scary; it reminded me how frightening he is with a solid amount of items, kit being susceptible to some kiting or not. I tried yesterday to jungle him a little in normal games and while you hit like a truck, I feel really impotent as a jungler with him. Usually I will concentrate on the lanes that need help to stabilize them and get the team into a good midgame. While you can gank with Nasus, you are so reliant on the lane, which makes it frustrating. Maybe I just need to get better at ganking with him. What he is severely lacking in my opinion though is a good engage or a gap closer which goes hand in hand with not being really good at ganking. So in my opinion you should pick him under two conditions. Your team already has a reliable engage on another hero and the enemy team isn't cc heavy. One game the enemy had cho/lux/varus and I couldn't get anywhere. Nasus is reliant on his lanes being autonomous/roam-capable for him to have to gank the least possible, since he isn't too good at it and would rather farm his Q anyway. Champs like Twisted Fate, Ahri, Lux, Katarina for mid are pretty good since they can roam extremely well and pretty often (and are safe and strong in lane, with the exception of Kat's early levels). Obviously stuff like Leona, Nunu (ironically), Ryze, Darius make it a lot easier for him to gank than, say, Taric (Dazzle stuns, but it's too short/short-ranged) or Sona. Karthus would probably be terrifying to gank for if not for his weak early game and how it exposes you. Obviously you don't want to pick Nasus jungle into Xin or Maokai. You're pretty susceptible to invades (esp. early ones as you really need your first 2 points in Q and E to clear correctly and start farming your damage) and even if you tried you'll never have as much ganking pressure on the end as some other champs. You also don't really want to have stuff like Veigar vs Morde mid lane since Veigar will be hapless level 1 while Morde can easily push out and collapse on your jungle.
I've been picking jungle Nasus into everything. The only time I didn't pick jungle Nasus last night was when I wasn't jungling. The only game I lost was one where every lane fed, including those I successfully ganked.
Nasus does prefer to gank as little as possible, but that doesn't mean his ganks are weak. He's no Lee Sin/Xin Zhao/Maokai, but Wither is a strong, ranged slow and his Q (provided you've been properly last-hitting with it) hits like a truck. It's strongest when your lane has a form of follow-up CC, or burst that's range-reliant. So long as you avoid being spotted by wards, you can be extremely effective.
You don't really need a good engage to be effective with him. Nasus demolishes towers and objectives, even with zero damage items. I've solo'd Dragon with nearly full health remaining at the 14 minute mark. So just run up to the tower, give it a few whacks, and if the enemy tries to fight you're in the perfect position to Wither their carry and turn around to murder their bruisers. Or you can just split-push, it's not like any lone champion will be able to catch you through chain Wither, and many won't even be able to fight you.
Jungle Nasus, it's OP and it's only going to get stronger if Riot moves forward with those buffs (incidentally I do agree with red_ that the Q mana cost buff is fine).
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Yeah, maybe I should have said instead that "in soloQ, you don't want to pick Nasus into gank-heavy junglers with a strong early, as you won't be able to follow their pace without destroying your own development and you can't trust your teammates to play accordingly and not rage at you if you leave them to their own devices" or something of that sort.
At least it's fun. I never really gave much thought to Nasus because of his slow developement and lack of escapes (compared to Jax who lifts off faster and has mobility) but he fits the "raid boss" archetype that I love in my champs really well, especially once he has enough CDR to spam Wither.
Riven's really annoying though, mobile enough that she almost doesn't care at all about Wither (she just has to skip her passive-powered autos toward the end of the spell) and can evade Spirit Fire's AoE easily.
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On February 09 2013 00:22 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 00:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
^Good point, I forgot when people play against Blitz it's like they forget how to play LoL, he's usually banned in my games ha. Thats only noob lol players. Real high ELO pros know how blitz works, they know it so well that they dont even need to stand behind minons or out of range, they are confident in their pro juking skills. Have you seen that long ass animation on Blitzes Q? Only scrubs cant juke that. Indeed, many of them will dodge well over half of all the hooks, damn shame about the other sixteen.
I was talking about personal experience since I usually play normals with friends, worth the ban there imo. Rather just ban him then put faith in my bot lane, especially if they are randoms.
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On February 09 2013 01:39 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 00:22 sob3k wrote:On February 09 2013 00:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
^Good point, I forgot when people play against Blitz it's like they forget how to play LoL, he's usually banned in my games ha. Thats only noob lol players. Real high ELO pros know how blitz works, they know it so well that they dont even need to stand behind minons or out of range, they are confident in their pro juking skills. Have you seen that long ass animation on Blitzes Q? Only scrubs cant juke that. Indeed, many of them will dodge well over half of all the hooks, damn shame about the other sixteen. I was talking about personal experience since I usually play normals with friends, worth the ban there imo. Rather just ban him then put faith in my bot lane, especially if they are randoms.
If you look really closely at his post, he's being facetious.
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On February 09 2013 01:41 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 01:39 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 09 2013 00:22 sob3k wrote:On February 09 2013 00:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
^Good point, I forgot when people play against Blitz it's like they forget how to play LoL, he's usually banned in my games ha. Thats only noob lol players. Real high ELO pros know how blitz works, they know it so well that they dont even need to stand behind minons or out of range, they are confident in their pro juking skills. Have you seen that long ass animation on Blitzes Q? Only scrubs cant juke that. Indeed, many of them will dodge well over half of all the hooks, damn shame about the other sixteen. I was talking about personal experience since I usually play normals with friends, worth the ban there imo. Rather just ban him then put faith in my bot lane, especially if they are randoms. If you look really closely at his post, he's being facetious.
*woooooooosh*
I'm usually better at reading those thing. Not re-reading imba.
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On February 09 2013 01:44 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 01:41 Requizen wrote:On February 09 2013 01:39 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 09 2013 00:22 sob3k wrote:On February 09 2013 00:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
^Good point, I forgot when people play against Blitz it's like they forget how to play LoL, he's usually banned in my games ha. Thats only noob lol players. Real high ELO pros know how blitz works, they know it so well that they dont even need to stand behind minons or out of range, they are confident in their pro juking skills. Have you seen that long ass animation on Blitzes Q? Only scrubs cant juke that. Indeed, many of them will dodge well over half of all the hooks, damn shame about the other sixteen. I was talking about personal experience since I usually play normals with friends, worth the ban there imo. Rather just ban him then put faith in my bot lane, especially if they are randoms. If you look really closely at his post, he's being facetious. *woooooooosh* I'm usually better at reading those thing. Not re-reading imba.
Check your sarcasm detector, it might be faulty.
I've run out of aggressive supports, would someone point me in the direction of one that I'm not seeing? I've been maining support Volibear to great success, but find him less successful since Thresh has come out. I've already ran support Naut, Mao, Jarvan, Lee, and Darius to enjoy them all but am stuck in finding the next one. HALP, I need more fun with aggressive supports.
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On February 09 2013 01:52 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 01:44 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 09 2013 01:41 Requizen wrote:On February 09 2013 01:39 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 09 2013 00:22 sob3k wrote:On February 09 2013 00:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
^Good point, I forgot when people play against Blitz it's like they forget how to play LoL, he's usually banned in my games ha. Thats only noob lol players. Real high ELO pros know how blitz works, they know it so well that they dont even need to stand behind minons or out of range, they are confident in their pro juking skills. Have you seen that long ass animation on Blitzes Q? Only scrubs cant juke that. Indeed, many of them will dodge well over half of all the hooks, damn shame about the other sixteen. I was talking about personal experience since I usually play normals with friends, worth the ban there imo. Rather just ban him then put faith in my bot lane, especially if they are randoms. If you look really closely at his post, he's being facetious. *woooooooosh* I'm usually better at reading those thing. Not re-reading imba. Check your sarcasm detector, it might be faulty. I've run out of aggressive supports, would someone point me in the direction of one that I'm not seeing? I've been maining support Volibear to great success, but find him less successful since Thresh has come out. I've already ran support Naut, Mao, Jarvan, Lee, and Darius to enjoy them all but am stuck in finding the next one. HALP, I need more fun with aggressive supports.
Singed?
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On February 09 2013 01:54 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 01:52 Zdrastochye wrote:On February 09 2013 01:44 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 09 2013 01:41 Requizen wrote:On February 09 2013 01:39 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 09 2013 00:22 sob3k wrote:On February 09 2013 00:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
^Good point, I forgot when people play against Blitz it's like they forget how to play LoL, he's usually banned in my games ha. Thats only noob lol players. Real high ELO pros know how blitz works, they know it so well that they dont even need to stand behind minons or out of range, they are confident in their pro juking skills. Have you seen that long ass animation on Blitzes Q? Only scrubs cant juke that. Indeed, many of them will dodge well over half of all the hooks, damn shame about the other sixteen. I was talking about personal experience since I usually play normals with friends, worth the ban there imo. Rather just ban him then put faith in my bot lane, especially if they are randoms. If you look really closely at his post, he's being facetious. *woooooooosh* I'm usually better at reading those thing. Not re-reading imba. Check your sarcasm detector, it might be faulty. I've run out of aggressive supports, would someone point me in the direction of one that I'm not seeing? I've been maining support Volibear to great success, but find him less successful since Thresh has come out. I've already ran support Naut, Mao, Jarvan, Lee, and Darius to enjoy them all but am stuck in finding the next one. HALP, I need more fun with aggressive supports. Singed?
I find him a poor alternative to Volibear. His slow can be done at a range, but without rushing boots you can't really gap close equal to Volibear with the movespeed on his Q. Plus without being able to max poison first he's greatly lacking the damage needed to be able to make them scared of you. I've tried it, but not had much success.
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On February 09 2013 01:52 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 01:44 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 09 2013 01:41 Requizen wrote:On February 09 2013 01:39 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 09 2013 00:22 sob3k wrote:On February 09 2013 00:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
^Good point, I forgot when people play against Blitz it's like they forget how to play LoL, he's usually banned in my games ha. Thats only noob lol players. Real high ELO pros know how blitz works, they know it so well that they dont even need to stand behind minons or out of range, they are confident in their pro juking skills. Have you seen that long ass animation on Blitzes Q? Only scrubs cant juke that. Indeed, many of them will dodge well over half of all the hooks, damn shame about the other sixteen. I was talking about personal experience since I usually play normals with friends, worth the ban there imo. Rather just ban him then put faith in my bot lane, especially if they are randoms. If you look really closely at his post, he's being facetious. *woooooooosh* I'm usually better at reading those thing. Not re-reading imba. Check your sarcasm detector, it might be faulty. I've run out of aggressive supports, would someone point me in the direction of one that I'm not seeing? I've been maining support Volibear to great success, but find him less successful since Thresh has come out. I've already ran support Naut, Mao, Jarvan, Lee, and Darius to enjoy them all but am stuck in finding the next one. HALP, I need more fun with aggressive supports.
Mundo/LeBlanc/Pantheon are my go-to for fun supports. I've had pretty decent success with all three.
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On February 09 2013 01:52 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 01:44 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 09 2013 01:41 Requizen wrote:On February 09 2013 01:39 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 09 2013 00:22 sob3k wrote:On February 09 2013 00:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
^Good point, I forgot when people play against Blitz it's like they forget how to play LoL, he's usually banned in my games ha. Thats only noob lol players. Real high ELO pros know how blitz works, they know it so well that they dont even need to stand behind minons or out of range, they are confident in their pro juking skills. Have you seen that long ass animation on Blitzes Q? Only scrubs cant juke that. Indeed, many of them will dodge well over half of all the hooks, damn shame about the other sixteen. I was talking about personal experience since I usually play normals with friends, worth the ban there imo. Rather just ban him then put faith in my bot lane, especially if they are randoms. If you look really closely at his post, he's being facetious. *woooooooosh* I'm usually better at reading those thing. Not re-reading imba. Check your sarcasm detector, it might be faulty. I've run out of aggressive supports, would someone point me in the direction of one that I'm not seeing? I've been maining support Volibear to great success, but find him less successful since Thresh has come out. I've already ran support Naut, Mao, Jarvan, Lee, and Darius to enjoy them all but am stuck in finding the next one. HALP, I need more fun with aggressive supports.
Nasus
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first information about the OGN Spring Season
apply deadline: 18th Feb till 03 March.
online qualifier: 07th March till 14th March
offline qualifier: 19th March till 22th March
which will tell us that the Season will probably start end of March/ start of April
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
I have had a lot of fun with Eve. Ashe too. Warwick is really fun once you hit 6. Even before 6, you sustain so well you can just constantly harass. It's really fun.
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On February 09 2013 01:22 Alaric wrote:
Yeah, maybe I should have said instead that "in soloQ, you don't want to pick Nasus into gank-heavy junglers with a strong early, as you won't be able to follow their pace without destroying your own development and you can't trust your teammates to play accordingly and not rage at you if you leave them to their own devices" or something of that sort.
At least it's fun. I never really gave much thought to Nasus because of his slow developement and lack of escapes (compared to Jax who lifts off faster and has mobility) but he fits the "raid boss" archetype that I love in my champs really well, especially once he has enough CDR to spam Wither.
Riven's really annoying though, mobile enough that she almost doesn't care at all about Wither (she just has to skip her passive-powered autos toward the end of the spell) and can evade Spirit Fire's AoE easily.
I pick Nasus into everything, gank-heavy and counter-junglers included. In fact, all of my wins have been against junglers like Rammus, Shaco, Lee Sin, Hecarim et al.
You don't have to have 500 stacks on Q at 20 minutes to be a scary Nasus. Obviously 500 stacks are scarier than 200-300, but the fact of the matter is that a 500 (110 base + 130 AD + 260 stacks) damage nuke on a 2.4 second cooldown is scary enough on a champion who can effectively eliminate your AD carry simply by spamming one spell. You can have 260 at 11 minutes if you're undisturbed, or you can have it at 20 minutes if you're actively ganking. Either way you'll still contribute a lot late game simply because you're Nasus.
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On February 09 2013 02:33 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 01:22 Alaric wrote:
Yeah, maybe I should have said instead that "in soloQ, you don't want to pick Nasus into gank-heavy junglers with a strong early, as you won't be able to follow their pace without destroying your own development and you can't trust your teammates to play accordingly and not rage at you if you leave them to their own devices" or something of that sort.
At least it's fun. I never really gave much thought to Nasus because of his slow developement and lack of escapes (compared to Jax who lifts off faster and has mobility) but he fits the "raid boss" archetype that I love in my champs really well, especially once he has enough CDR to spam Wither.
Riven's really annoying though, mobile enough that she almost doesn't care at all about Wither (she just has to skip her passive-powered autos toward the end of the spell) and can evade Spirit Fire's AoE easily. I pick Nasus into everything, gank-heavy and counter-junglers included. In fact, all of my wins have been against junglers like Rammus, Shaco, Lee Sin, Hecarim et al. You don't have to have 500 stacks on Q at 20 minutes to be a scary Nasus. Obviously 500 stacks are scarier than 200-300, but the fact of the matter is that a 500 (110 base + 130 AD + 260 stacks) damage nuke on a 2.4 second cooldown is scary enough on a champion who can effectively eliminate your AD carry simply by spamming one spell. You can have 260 at 11 minutes if you're undisturbed, or you can have it at 20 minutes if you're actively ganking. Either way you'll still contribute a lot late game simply because you're Nasus.
do you play him in top lane or jungle?
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Jungle, it's all we've been discussing about Nasus recently: jungling him (and critting poor Xerath for 400 at level 3 for Monte).
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