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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11980 Posts
January 17 2013 02:22 GMT
#461
Since i got ignored the first time, i want to ask this again.

Is there a way to turn of that the chat just flips down to the bottom every time something new is entered? It is incredibly annoying if you want to scroll up for timers, but it jumps to the bottom every 2 seconds because two guys are arguing about who is a troll and who is not.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 02:37:16
January 17 2013 02:27 GMT
#462
Played a game as Graves, bad drake call gave a(n unofficial) penta to enemy Renekton (team didn't gtfo immediatly as they got it as I warned them, 2 enemies collapsed and cleaned-up, and I got caught trying to help).
Went BT->Zeal->Warmogs. First fight after I finish it, they dive us and we ace them with me living at ~150 HP using flash+W+cleanse to escape the various enemies.

Felt so legitimated.

It definitely felt more awkward than other ADC trying to last hit though (went 16-13-1 masteries and dshield start to trade even better against an Ashe-Taric lane and I didn't build boots at all until the laning phase was over).
I just checked the wiki and he has by far the lowest bAS of all the ADCs I play (Draven's is fairly higher than most other, surprised me a bit, his natural growth is poor tho), with mediocre %AS/level too. With the nerf Ezreal's going to be tied with him (before he was at the same level as Sivir and Vayne) with an even lower %AS growth, and a weaker steroid in the endgame (100% uptime more easily feasable but 50% AS instead of 70%). I feel for those who're going to play him after the nerf, such a difference is very, very noticeable.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
HolyToss1911
Profile Joined May 2007
354 Posts
January 17 2013 02:35 GMT
#463
What's the skill order on Syndra? I just bought her because she looks cool.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 02:56:20
January 17 2013 02:40 GMT
#464
Depends. I've seen people go Q>W>E, Link goes Q>E>W, I tried W>E>Q and wasn't satisfied with damage then switching to W>Q>E felt way better, but I'm not good enough to be able to argue about Q vs W first. I burst harder, but the harass is obviously weaker; then again, since people systematically pick long-range champs against my Syndra (almost exclusively Lux, and one or two Ahri too) W is significantly easier to hit than Q anyway (W outranges Ahri, it's the other way round for Q).


DNG playing Swain. Yay! <3
Is Gragas really a good match-up for him? The dash breaks Q's tether easily and Gragas is a 100-0 kinda champ with very good waveclear.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
January 17 2013 02:57 GMT
#465
How is jungle Rengar now? Never played him except for free weak and think about buying him or another rune page.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 17 2013 03:00 GMT
#466
On January 17 2013 11:35 HolyToss1911 wrote:
What's the skill order on Syndra? I just bought her because she looks cool.


QEQWQRQ, then R > Q > W > E before this patch. Maxing E second might be better than before because of the CD buff. I haven't tried yet though.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
January 17 2013 03:00 GMT
#467
On January 17 2013 11:35 HolyToss1911 wrote:
What's the skill order on Syndra? I just bought her because she looks cool.

R>Q>E>W especially after the latest patch with the shorter Cd on E.
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
January 17 2013 03:05 GMT
#468
On January 17 2013 11:22 Simberto wrote:
Since i got ignored the first time, i want to ask this again.

Is there a way to turn of that the chat just flips down to the bottom every time something new is entered? It is incredibly annoying if you want to scroll up for timers, but it jumps to the bottom every 2 seconds because two guys are arguing about who is a troll and who is not.

I don't believe there is which is unbelievably unfortunate
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 03:11:38
January 17 2013 03:07 GMT
#469
Are we allowed to ask bronze questions here?
When should i back as ADC? I usually just farm away until I die or my hp is so low that my death is imminent if i return to lane.
I usually play graves or trist and go BT first, should i back when i have enough for BT? or enough for BF sword? Or just farm as much as possible like I do now?
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 03:20:50
January 17 2013 03:11 GMT
#470
If they back, especially in a lane where you tend to trade, you should push the wave (and the next if it comes) so that they lose cs to tower, and back yourself. Otherwise you will be at an item disavantage and they'll have an easier time forcing you back (so you won't gained anything from staying, except being forced at a possibly disadvantaging moment, or using summoners to survive) or even killing you, if they don't simply start freezing and zoning.

You can also back if you support does it and the lane isn't warded anymore, since a 1v2 (and possibly 1v3 if the jungler abuses the lack of ward to come) is pretty risky.


Regarding the MLG game, yeah, Swain just dies everytime Gragas decides to get him: he calls his jungler, ults, and Swain can't do anything. As I thought.
Oh, and a fight with Vayne juking a barrel with Q, then flashing out of a body slam, before Amumu flashes in front of her to block an Ezreal Q. Wow, dem mechanics and teamwork.
A few minutes later, beautiful ult from nubbypoohbear (Gragas) to send Amumu flying during a bandage toss so he can't ult the whole team.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 03:14:19
January 17 2013 03:14 GMT
#471
On January 17 2013 12:07 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
Are we allowed to ask bronze questions here?
When should i back as ADC? I usually just farm away until I die or my hp is so low that my death is imminent if i return to lane.
I usually play graves or trist and go BT first, should i back when i have enough for BT? or enough for BF sword? Or just farm as much as possible like I do now?


im 95% sure that BT first is pretty bad on trist cause of her non-existent AD ratios. her already weak mid-game will be weaker than going IE first.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 17 2013 03:15 GMT
#472
On January 17 2013 12:07 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
Are we allowed to ask bronze questions here?
When should i back as ADC? I usually just farm away until I die or my hp is so low that my death is imminent if i return to lane.
I usually play graves or trist and go BT first, should i back when i have enough for BT? or enough for BF sword? Or just farm as much as possible like I do now?


A good time to back is when you have a huge wave pushing against your lane opponent's tower. As their tower kills your minions, the wave will soon push the other way, allowing you to go back and buy without losing too many CS.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 03:26:38
January 17 2013 03:22 GMT
#473
So as Ashe I've found that Level 16 Passive + IE + Shiv gives 100% critical chance, yet most guides for her still suggest buying PD over Shiv, without mentioning the 100% cap that Shiv gets you to. Do the other stats on PD, as well as the amount of attacks you'll do when passive is down, make PD always better than Shiv on her?

Cop's guide on LoLPro is the only one I've found recommending Shiv, but he says "As your ASPD item, pick up a Statikk Shiv because your first attack is usually a critical strike and this applies with the on-hit effect." so I'm assuming he's unaware of the cap thing. (Your first attack is ALWAYS a critical strike provided you are level 16+ and already have IE)
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 03:33:08
January 17 2013 03:29 GMT
#474
On January 17 2013 12:22 jalstar wrote:
So as Ashe I've found that Level 16 Passive + IE + Shiv gives 100% critical chance, yet most guides for her still suggest buying PD over Shiv, without mentioning the 100% cap that Shiv gets you to. Do the other stats on PD, as well as the amount of attacks you'll do when passive is down, make PD always better than Shiv on her?

Cop's guide on LoLPro is the only one I've found recommending Shiv, but he says "As your ASPD item, pick up a Statikk Shiv because your first attack is usually a critical strike and this applies with the on-hit effect." so I'm assuming he's unaware of the cap thing. (Your first attack is ALWAYS a critical strike provided you are level 16+ and already got IE)

I did some brief analysis on PD vs Shiv here: I kind of doubt my own numbers though.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387965&currentpage=415#8283

TL also commented on it. Consensus was shiv starts with the same two letters as shiny.

On January 17 2013 12:14 xMiragex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 12:07 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
Are we allowed to ask bronze questions here?
When should i back as ADC? I usually just farm away until I die or my hp is so low that my death is imminent if i return to lane.
I usually play graves or trist and go BT first, should i back when i have enough for BT? or enough for BF sword? Or just farm as much as possible like I do now?


im 95% sure that BT first is pretty bad on trist cause of her non-existent AD ratios. her already weak mid-game will be weaker than going IE first.

You're right that IE PD does more damage actually. I dunno I like lifesteal a lot.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 17 2013 03:30 GMT
#475
I feel like Shiv is better on Ashe because A - her Passive means the Shiv proc will always crit, which is nice bonus damage, and B - it gives more movespeed than PD does and Ashe needs movespeed.

Ashe is in this weird situation with her passive where she wants crit because she's an ADC, but if she can get the same amount of DPS with non-crit stats she prefers the non-crit stats to get efficiency out of her passive.

But really her passive is just awful and she needs some sort of a rework in that regard. Aside from level 1 fights it's such a terrible, terrible, terrible passive.

I'd like it if her ult could crit. If her passive made her ult always crit when she starts a fight with it it'd be a lot better, and probably still do less damage than Trueshot Barrage because of the lack of AD scaling.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 03:32:49
January 17 2013 03:32 GMT
#476
Watching the MLG Rising Stars thing, Nien is still pretty good at ADC. He's probably the best free agent available right now. I saw Marn wanted him for Team MRN, should be interesting to see where he ends up.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
January 17 2013 03:33 GMT
#477
On January 17 2013 12:22 jalstar wrote:
So as Ashe I've found that Level 16 Passive + IE + Shiv gives 100% critical chance, yet most guides for her still suggest buying PD over Shiv, without mentioning the 100% cap that Shiv gets you to. Do the other stats on PD, as well as the amount of attacks you'll do when passive is down, make PD always better than Shiv on her?

Cop's guide on LoLPro is the only one I've found recommending Shiv, but he says "As your ASPD item, pick up a Statikk Shiv because your first attack is usually a critical strike and this applies with the on-hit effect." so I'm assuming he's unaware of the cap thing. (Your first attack is ALWAYS a critical strike provided you are level 16+ and already have IE)

wait what? With the first 3 seconds at lvl 16 you only get 18% (passive) + 25% (IE) + 20% (Shiv) = 63%. While with PD you get 18% + 25% + 30% (PD) = 73%.

With Shiv and IE, you can get to 99% after 9 seconds. With PD and IE, you can get to 91% after 6 seconds, 100% after 9 seconds.

Ultimately I agree that Shiv is better, since the 100% crit on multiple targets I think is invaluable. I just don't understand your calculations.
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 17 2013 03:33 GMT
#478
Is there a legit reason I never see Kennen anymore? I know his aa range got nerfed a while ago but that doesn't feel nearly enough. Did he just fall out of flavor or is there a bigger reason based upon the meta or common matchups that don't favor him?
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 03:35:20
January 17 2013 03:35 GMT
#479
On January 17 2013 12:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Is there a legit reason I never see Kennen anymore? I know his aa range got nerfed a while ago but that doesn't feel nearly enough. Did he just fall out of flavor or is there a bigger reason based upon the meta or common matchups that don't favor him?

WotA/Spell Vamp nerf hurt him a lot. Also the AA range nerf hurt more than you think, no more free harass.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 03:41:24
January 17 2013 03:36 GMT
#480
The 3 champ I think need reworks. Ashe - Passive, Heimer, Sion- Passive and ulti.

Edit: Voli too hate that bear.


Kennen is good, I always thought revolver was a noob trap (its good when you ahead, bad the rest of time) Pen change is good for him also there are a bunch of fotm champs he is good against, Eve, Kata, Kazix, all have problems vs kennen for various reasons.
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