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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 01 2013 06:21 cLutZ wrote: TSM doesn't draw conclusions from tournament results. Dyrus really strong on Kayle, Vlad, and Singed? Yea, lets have him not play those champs anymore. Time for more Darius comps. ETC Oh they draw conclusions from tournament results. Just not their own. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On January 01 2013 06:29 TheYango wrote: Oh they draw conclusions from tournament results. Just not their own. It's really dumb they don't let Dyrus for example play the heroes they know he's good with and he's shown results with. Always liked watching Dyrus on Kayle/Vlad. And the time he picked Singed in worlds i think it was, the crowd went absolutely fucking nuts. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
 . Let me try this again. It's like being famous because you are famous instead of being famous because you have done things. Paris Hilton comes to mind. | ||
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Fwmeh
1286 Posts
Looking back, it seems that the period when TSM were strong might simply coincide with a period in the meta when champs they were strong at were more strongly favored, such as Karth/Kayle/pre nerf Ez. I think Chaox in particular really benefited from the Corki-Ezreal-Graves era, as he was strong on those champions | ||
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kongoline
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 01 2013 06:35 Fwmeh wrote: Well they did, back when they themselves actually won tournaments. Then they got anally brutalized by Blaze, drew the wrong conclusions from that, and have gotten worse ever since (sort of). Looking back, it seems that the period when TSM were strong might simply coincide with a period in the meta when champs they were strong at were more strongly favored, such as Karth/Kayle/pre nerf Ez. I think Chaox in particular really benefited from the Corki-Ezreal-Graves era, as he was strong on those champions TSM stagnated in the period where Dignitas and CLG went to Korea. That was a period of a few months where the two teams that could remotely be considered good practice for them were not available, and instead of being proactive about looking for appropriate competition, they more or less just got complacent stomping NA events. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 01 2013 06:35 Fwmeh wrote: Well they did, back when they themselves actually won tournaments. Then they got anally brutalized by Blaze, drew the wrong conclusions from that, and have gotten worse ever since (sort of). Looking back, it seems that the period when TSM were strong might simply coincide with a period in the meta when champs they were strong at were more strongly favored, such as Karth/Kayle/pre nerf Ez. I think Chaox in particular really benefited from the Corki-Ezreal-Graves era, as he was strong on those champions Do people still ride on ChaoX banwagon? I was never impressed with his play tbh, he looks good in terms of NA/EU scene ADC, but in international scene he looks horrid. He also had that 3dblade + PD ashe build, which made me want to tear my hair out and punch ponies. Dyrus was best during Kayle/Vlad era; dunno why he's trying to play so much Darius... >.> TOO; only shining star in current TSM lineup imo; usually the most consistent, and prevent TSM from losing early game too badly. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
B-teams for Asian organizations generally have gotten more mileage, both toward the improvement of the "main" team and becoming legitimate teams in and of themselves (Azubu Blaze, Najin Sword, WE.i-Rocks--plus KT and MVP having 2 rapidly improving teams right from the start). I would argue that this is in part due to the Asian teams being more proactive about playing WITH their B-teams, as opposed to CLG.Black and TSM.Evo not practicing with their main teams all that much. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Gotta carry harder, whichever way. Always look at what you could have done. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 01 2013 06:39 wei2coolman wrote: Do people still ride on ChaoX banwagon? I was never impressed with his play tbh, he looks good in terms of NA/EU scene ADC, but in international scene he looks horrid. He also had that 3dblade + PD ashe build, which made me want to tear my hair out and punch ponies. Chaox plays his role, and that's more or less it. He doesn't make plays or do anything impressive. Him looking like he's "carrying" comes from his fairly high farm priority, and the fact that both Regi and Oddone play fairly active styles early-midgame game, which creates a lot of space for Chaox. Anyone can look like they're carrying when you give them lots of items and farming space. The genuinely good AD carries shine in the absence of that (e.g. DLift still keeping up when his team lost both other lanes + no jungle presence). | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On January 01 2013 06:39 wei2coolman wrote: Do people still ride on ChaoX banwagon? I was never impressed with his play tbh, he looks good in terms of NA/EU scene ADC, but in international scene he looks horrid. He also had that 3dblade + PD ashe build, which made me want to tear my hair out and punch ponies. Dyrus was best during Kayle/Vlad era; dunno why he's trying to play so much Darius... >.> TOO; only shining star in current TSM lineup imo; usually the most consistent, and prevent TSM from losing early game too badly. why do people like to pretend that Reginald doesn't single handedly carry TSM lol TOO has the worst mechanics of any pro player i've ever seen. But NA junglers aren't even good so it doesn't matter Chaox is decent, not that far behind top AD carries imo. Xpecial has awful mechanics, pretty average NA support Dyrus is atrocious all around and was never good. It was just that he had no competition. Who the hell was gonna beat him in lane? Hotshot? nope Reginald is/was their only hope, but now he's mediocre too | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
TOO: bad mechanics, but amazing game sense. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On January 01 2013 06:51 wei2coolman wrote: Reginald doing good in a game; is one of the most impressive things I've seen. But he's too fucking inconsistent for me to consider him a key player in TSM. TOO: bad mechanics, but amazing game sense. Don't know about the second part. Feels like if Regi doing well then he creates space for everyone else on the team but if he isn't there just isn't anyone doing anything or creating space. Think Regi is prob one of the better NA mids at creating space for his team it's just he's so inconsistent is often doesn't matter. | ||
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Craton
United States17264 Posts
On January 01 2013 06:47 tobi9999 wrote: why do people like to pretend that Reginald doesn't single handedly carry TSM lol TOO has the worst mechanics of any pro player i've ever seen. But NA junglers aren't even good so it doesn't matter Chaox is decent, not that far behind top AD carries imo. Xpecial has awful mechanics, pretty average NA support Dyrus is atrocious all around and was never good. It was just that he had no competition. Who the hell was gonna beat him in lane? Hotshot? nope Reginald is/was their only hope, but now he's mediocre too Dan Dinh and Snoopeh have much worse mechanics. Xpecial much better than credited, but struggles with the current fotm supports. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On January 01 2013 06:52 Numy wrote: Don't know about the second part. Feels like if Regi doing well then he creates space for everyone else on the team but if he isn't there just isn't anyone doing anything or creating space. If TOO had amazing game sense wouldn't he be able to create some space ? what the fuck Haven't you watched TSM play on stream (they don't now* but they used too)? TOO just does whatever Regi tells him to do. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On January 01 2013 05:09 OutlaW- wrote: It's confirmed, by the way. (phreak and mia rose dating) http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=33004053#post33004053 ......I have so many words for this but they're all inappropriate to say. | ||
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Fwmeh
1286 Posts
Also, I think TOO has sufficient mechanics for the janglers he plays. I think his problem is mostly that those janglers (maokai, nocturne) don't really make plays on their own. He is really good at supporting for example Regi, when Regi does well. When Regi/Dyrus/Chaox doesn't do well he seem unable to make the plays to get them back in the game. I have never seen him get "big plays" janglers like Lee Singah work on the highest levels. And I was never on the Chaox bandwagon per se, but I will say that his favored champions falling of really has exposed him, far worse than I thought. His Sivir play still makes me cringe. | ||
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ProV1
United States980 Posts
On January 01 2013 06:54 BlackPaladin wrote: ......I have so many words for this but they're all inappropriate to say. Seems like u jelly | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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