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Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 10:32:42
December 30 2012 10:26 GMT
#4201
What do you guys think is the best lane for Zed?

So far I've played mid/top/jung. He seems ok top, somewhat safe but certain matchups are a pain. Mid seems fairly dominant. Jungle seems above average, good clears and strong ganks post 6.

Also, why don't I see Swain more? He seems pretty solid mid lane, espec. vs Kat/Diana.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
December 30 2012 10:34 GMT
#4202
On December 30 2012 19:26 Mondeezy wrote:
What do you guys think is the best lane for Zed?

So far I've played mid/top/jung. He seems ok top, somewhat safe but certain matchups are a pain. Mid seems fairly dominant. Jungle seems above average, good clears and strong ganks post 6.

Also, why don't I see Swain more? He seems pretty solid mid lane, espec. vs Kat/Diana.


He also levels melee champions top. Its pretty one sided.

I feel like he is slightly overtuned at the moment personally... but I;ve always had issues with Swain.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 30 2012 10:44 GMT
#4203
i went cho vs zed mid the the other day and went for a cs I shouldn't have because I was level 2 and he was 1. turns out zed level 1 all in is stronger than cho level 2 all in huehue
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 30 2012 10:44 GMT
#4204
I was reading Chausters AMA and he spoke about the AP carries with highest skill ceiling as Cass/Anivia/Veigar. Now we see Anivia a lot and Veigar seems to pop up every now and then(In tournies and Solo Q) but Cass seems to have completely vanished. Why exactly is this? From my understanding she battles vs high mobility and with the mobility creep it's hurt her but i don't know if this is correct or the full picture. Also dam a lot of Syndra lately.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6220 Posts
December 30 2012 10:45 GMT
#4205
Damn, http://www.twitch.tv/flosd

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15nymh/had_a_minor_freakout_yesterday_when_i_lost_lane_to/

Reddit blows up a stream fast, it's like how WoDx got popular from a single reddit thread about his stream. Went from tens to thousands of viewers.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 30 2012 10:48 GMT
#4206
well the conventional answer is "nothing happened to her people just pick other heroes now because that's the flow of champ popularity." better answer would be, well, we should ask them, that might be true but it also might be some other subtle reason that's lost on us solo queue newbs, theorycrafters, etc. a lot of good tournament players spent a lot of time practicing that hero, I'm suspicious of the idea they threw her away without a specific reason
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 30 2012 11:04 GMT
#4207
On December 30 2012 19:45 Lmui wrote:
Damn, http://www.twitch.tv/flosd

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15nymh/had_a_minor_freakout_yesterday_when_i_lost_lane_to/

Reddit blows up a stream fast, it's like how WoDx got popular from a single reddit thread about his stream. Went from tens to thousands of viewers.

Pretty sure his friend made that thread for him too lol.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 30 2012 11:07 GMT
#4208
its a good stream though, i very rarely watch streams but i'd watch this one again fosho
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 30 2012 11:10 GMT
#4209
he's so cute and fluffy im going to dieeeeeeeeeeeeeee
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
December 30 2012 11:11 GMT
#4210
On December 30 2012 19:45 Lmui wrote:
Damn, http://www.twitch.tv/flosd

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15nymh/had_a_minor_freakout_yesterday_when_i_lost_lane_to/

Reddit blows up a stream fast, it's like how WoDx got popular from a single reddit thread about his stream. Went from tens to thousands of viewers.

Haha nice story. Just tuned in, first thing I heard "Do you think you can beat HSGG in top lane?" "Yeah". :p
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 11:16:51
December 30 2012 11:15 GMT
#4211
hahahaha he is so cute and overwhelmed by the numbers haha.He's writing his paypal email in paint lol
He's trying to keep up with every question in chat XD
Cackle™
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 30 2012 11:16 GMT
#4212
Haha, didn't take very long to start accepting donations. I should write a high elo love story for someone who doesn't get many viewers.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 11:23:47
December 30 2012 11:20 GMT
#4213
Yeah donations and partnership first day of streaming.... definitely pre-planned. He even name changed 2 days ago from Plumber. The OP says he looked up "잘 못" after that game yet he was named Plumber then. DUN DUN DUN PLOTHOLE.

@irave: do me do me!
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
December 30 2012 11:21 GMT
#4214
Shake you choke hard when too many eyes are on you
Cackle™
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 30 2012 11:24 GMT
#4215
On December 30 2012 20:21 TheKefka wrote:
Shake you choke hard when too many eyes are on you

Oh I know I'm trash, dunno why people watch me. Was just joking about the irave thing.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 11:29:34
December 30 2012 11:26 GMT
#4216
On December 30 2012 19:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
well the conventional answer is "nothing happened to her people just pick other heroes now because that's the flow of champ popularity." better answer would be, well, we should ask them, that might be true but it also might be some other subtle reason that's lost on us solo queue newbs, theorycrafters, etc. a lot of good tournament players spent a lot of time practicing that hero, I'm suspicious of the idea they threw her away without a specific reason


At the pro level I think it's because she doesn't bring anything that other AP's can't apart from ludicrous single target damage, and counter-initiation potential, and even then only against certain comps. Mobility creep definitely hurts in that regard. Against stuff like mundo, udyr, skarner and a host of top laner's, she reigns supreme. But now that teams are very good at drafting either comps with good initiate(amumu/malph), poke and/or dive(double assassin, etc.) she fares poorly due to her not really having burst damage. Other AP's can bring "enough" damage while bringing utility.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 11:27:37
December 30 2012 11:26 GMT
#4217
On December 30 2012 20:24 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 20:21 TheKefka wrote:
Shake you choke hard when too many eyes are on you

Oh I know I'm trash, dunno why people watch me. Was just joking about the irave thing.

Na I was joking,we can easily construct a sob story for all the bleeding hearts on reddit.
Just gives us 25% of the future income.
Cackle™
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 30 2012 11:28 GMT
#4218
No I just gotta cry about how hard it was playing League of Legends and people will donate a couple thousand dollars to me, easy.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 30 2012 11:31 GMT
#4219
shake if you trolled more like that jungle blitz game with hashinshin you'd regain your place as my fav 16 y/o streamer
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 11:35:31
December 30 2012 11:35 GMT
#4220
On December 30 2012 20:26 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 19:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
well the conventional answer is "nothing happened to her people just pick other heroes now because that's the flow of champ popularity." better answer would be, well, we should ask them, that might be true but it also might be some other subtle reason that's lost on us solo queue newbs, theorycrafters, etc. a lot of good tournament players spent a lot of time practicing that hero, I'm suspicious of the idea they threw her away without a specific reason


At the pro level I think it's because she doesn't bring anything that other AP's can't apart from ludicrous single target damage, and counter-initiation potential, and even then only against certain comps. Mobility creep definitely hurts in that regard. Against stuff like mundo, udyr, skarner and a host of top laner's, she reigns supreme. But now that teams are very good at drafting either comps with good initiate(amumu/malph), poke and/or dive(double assassin, etc.) she fares poorly due to her not really having burst damage. Other AP's can bring "enough" damage while bringing utility.


1. Pro has a good showing with a champion.
2. All the other pro's assume it must be OP and run that champ everywhere.
3. Must run new flavour champion in solo-queue or else team will rage for trolling.
4. Now everyone is most practised with flavour of the month champion so gets an artificial power boost.
5. Wait 'till some pro has a good showing with next champ and repeat.

6. ...........[proper metagame never appeared].
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
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