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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 07:48:17
December 30 2012 07:47 GMT
#4181
On December 30 2012 14:43 Alaric wrote:
Smash would make her an AP carry, they wanna make her a support. :<

Well they're retarded for trying to design supports that have such farm-dependent utility.

The problem is still that leftover design philosophy of certain supports as "AP carry lite" that also led to designing "support" items that invest massive amounts of gold into AP (e.g. Morello's) that nobody buys because of it.

Actually, you know what, the problem is the idea of designing things *for* roles in the first place. Design cool champions. Let players figure out how they should be played. If they're good and fun, people will figure out the best place for them.

People do that anyway when Riot mis-assigns roles to a champ's kit, it's just that deliberately trying to shoehorn X champion into Y role limits your design space.
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
December 30 2012 07:52 GMT
#4182
On December 30 2012 16:40 MooMooMugi wrote:
I'll own all you noobs in BW with my super secret 1 base reaver/DT/scout all in

no match for my trackpad 2port wraith build you can find on my blog
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 07:57:31
December 30 2012 07:54 GMT
#4183
On December 30 2012 16:44 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i never did finish my bo99 with Wizard before he got banned, although i was up like 20-1 so i claim victory

I beat pokebunny Bo9 all matchups in sc2.
no bs
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
December 30 2012 08:07 GMT
#4184
On December 30 2012 14:20 ExoFun wrote:
What is the better splitpush build for shaco:

Machete + 5 pots (200) ----> mobility boots (1000) + wriggles (1600) -----> Statikk Shiv (2500) = Total 5300 gold

or Machete (300) + 5 pots (200) ---> mobility boots (1000) + tiamat ----> Ravenous Hydra (3500) = total 5000 gold

bump
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
December 30 2012 08:26 GMT
#4185
On December 30 2012 16:29 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 11:38 BlackPaladin wrote:
lol I played with a noct that when I tried to give him a smiteless blue he smited it and went "don't need, i get gold for smite anyway"

xD
Thought that was hilarious


what a beast. I played with a guy this afternoon that smited on cooldown no matter what camp he was on claiming that the gold was worth the lack of buff control. logic op.


Rofl, yeahhhh. I've actually known people like that too, so stuff like that sends me down nostalgia trips.
Playing with low elo friends has always been loads of enjoyment for me. If it doesn't send me down a nostalgia trip, it provides some of the most lawlzy entertainment just through the random plays, builds, and general logic of players.
Like that same noct built sotd when he was behind and never actually used the active. And his logic behind buying it was "it works some games."
That's beast right there. It's like monte's friend who swore on building MBR on akali back in the day.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Filter
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada620 Posts
December 30 2012 08:29 GMT
#4186
On December 30 2012 15:54 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 13:21 Sermokala wrote:
I'm on my phone right now but I read a rog article that bortk is only better then a bloodthirster when its the only damage item that you have. Ill be more then happy to back this up with finding it if you want. But my point is that it wouldn't be good to get it unless its the primary damage source. Otherwise visage hydra bt would be pretty good?

Wouldn't an early stinger into late zephyr be better for your shyv? It would help a bit with your clearing and dragon form as well. As freeing you up to buy sweet sweet ninja tabi.

botrk has break even points that were on the rog article
http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/oldmaneyebrows/22272-the-bloodthirster-vs-blade-of-the-ruined-king

the problem is that you don't get the AD, so if you have AD based skills it's not as good
on Vi you're trading probably 200-300 damage less on your skills, pre-armor reduction, for the botrk active. on top of that, flash-Q, or R, is a good enough gap closer for you to use it and stick to them. especially if you have furor.
on Shyv I dunno.

i can imagine BT being better in other circumstances though.


BoTK really doesn't have a place in most champions builds, I think thats the big problem with the item. ADC's should be staying very far away from it for the most part because the BT simply scales better with items like pd and ie.

This leaves ad assasins who benefit a lot more from the BT because they need it for the scaling on their abilities, not for autoattacks. Lifesteal is a nice bonus for staying involved and healing up, but the real reason your Zed's, Talons and Mantheons will buy it is for the 100ad to scale on their abilities. BoTK just doesnt offer that at all.

That leaves us with bruisers that autoattack a lot and dont have much need for AD scaling. That list is Jax, and very, very, very debatably Lee Sin (he'd benefit from it because good Lee players get a lot of autos in, bad ones don't but at the same time BT's still better for him.) Jax won't be building a BT, but I'd argue he should be building a Gunblade and not a BoTK. The sustain and stats for the small amount of extra gold it costs are a lot better. The final piece to this puzzle is that the mobility of Lee and Jax means they won't be attacking tanks they'll be hitting squishy backlines thus making BT/Gunblade more attractive of an option as the targets wont be over 1500 health by the time either one gets 1-2 Autos on them after they open with a Q to gapclose.

All in all BoTK is really cool, but at least in my eyes completely worthless for every champion in the game.
Live hard, live free.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 30 2012 08:33 GMT
#4187
So random musing while under the influence but LA Lakers linup:
Ziggs Bryant Mid, BlitzNash / Metta World Jarvan bot, Darius Howard jungle, Pau garen top. Any other ballers I miss that can sub in?
Forever Young
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 30 2012 08:33 GMT
#4188
I don't play Shaco, but I think the wriggles route is the better option. Shiv is good enough to split push, and I feel like that route is the better option for a potential 1v1.
nanospartan
Profile Joined July 2011
649 Posts
December 30 2012 08:36 GMT
#4189
Obsidian Malphite or Glacial? vjkanlvnm;am;mv;alngla its killing meeeee D:
I was an athiest until I watched the Day[9] daily
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
December 30 2012 08:43 GMT
#4190
obsidian way better
GANDHISAUCE
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
December 30 2012 08:43 GMT
#4191
On December 30 2012 17:33 sung_moon wrote:
So random musing while under the influence but LA Lakers linup:
Ziggs Bryant Mid, BlitzNash / Metta World Jarvan bot, Darius Howard jungle, Pau garen top. Any other ballers I miss that can sub in?

i think metta needs to be vi, and then vi needs to be able to come out of the screen and punch the audience
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
December 30 2012 08:50 GMT
#4192
On December 30 2012 17:36 nanospartan wrote:
Obsidian Malphite or Glacial? vjkanlvnm;am;mv;alngla its killing meeeee D:

Glacial is easier to make themed team comps with other ice-style/skin champions if you enjoy that sort of stuff.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 08:52:09
December 30 2012 08:51 GMT
#4193
Glacial too common, go for Obsidian its tight

-disgruntled buyer of Glacial on release day
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
December 30 2012 09:26 GMT
#4194
Glacial is way cooler, fuck obsidian
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 30 2012 09:27 GMT
#4195
On December 30 2012 17:43 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 17:33 sung_moon wrote:
So random musing while under the influence but LA Lakers linup:
Ziggs Bryant Mid, BlitzNash / Metta World Jarvan bot, Darius Howard jungle, Pau garen top. Any other ballers I miss that can sub in?

i think metta needs to be vi, and then vi needs to be able to come out of the screen and punch the audience

Forever Ron Artest.
God Bless
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 30 2012 09:57 GMT
#4196
Tempted to make account named Neil Farmstrong and play AstroNautilus only
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
ShurykaN
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States338 Posts
December 30 2012 10:03 GMT
#4197
On December 30 2012 18:27 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 17:43 kainzero wrote:
On December 30 2012 17:33 sung_moon wrote:
So random musing while under the influence but LA Lakers linup:
Ziggs Bryant Mid, BlitzNash / Metta World Jarvan bot, Darius Howard jungle, Pau garen top. Any other ballers I miss that can sub in?

i think metta needs to be vi, and then vi needs to be able to come out of the screen and punch the audience

Forever Ron Artest.

Ron Artest is Deadpool. Its all starting to make sense now...
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 30 2012 10:11 GMT
#4198
On December 30 2012 18:57 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Tempted to make account named Neil Farmstrong and play AstroNautilus only

You can play Astro Teemo too.
God Bless
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 10:29:41
December 30 2012 10:12 GMT
#4199
Dang boxbox stream might give Bischu a run for his money.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 10:19:00
December 30 2012 10:15 GMT
#4200
On December 30 2012 19:11 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 18:57 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Tempted to make account named Neil Farmstrong and play AstroNautilus only

You can play Astro Teemo too.


I've been trying to think of more clever namechange prospects but I can't If anyone reading this can help pm me huehue

edit: also, holy shit gosu pepper feeds so hard
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
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