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On December 27 2012 07:54 ninjakingcola wrote:
#hipsterVikplayer

Played him since release and loved him whole time XD

On December 27 2012 08:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:


*cough* *raises hand*

All I can say is that I'm glad I was loud enough and persistent enough to help make Viktor a known powerhouse in the TL community. I'm fearful for the day Riot implements changes to him...

On December 27 2012 08:38 Sufficiency wrote:


But maybe one day his other augments will be viable and you can make short-ranged Viktor with Power Augment and Lich Bane.

On December 27 2012 08:37 Alaric wrote:
I'd pretend it was teamwork but I play way too many different champs to be able to advocate him (or Syndra for that matter) without being pointed that I didn't get mid in the previous 3 weeks. :<

You still gave in to Syndra though, you unfaithful midlaner.

On December 27 2012 08:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Surely possible. I think that will require a meta shift though. Viktor is so powerful now because his burst is so good. If tanky mages were more "in", so to speak, I think Viktor with Power Augment tankier AP items could certainly be quite useful.



I really really like Syndra. I was sad because I spammed the fuck out of her before her buffs, and lost a LOT of elo doing so. She definitely has merit, but right now, the ratio of effort required to return for her is way higher than probably any champ in the game. Why play Syndra when you can play literally any other burst mage and work half as hard for the same return, while being less fragile?

On December 27 2012 08:44 Sufficiency wrote:


It's not "tanky" Viktor. His Q gives him a speed boost when he cast it with Power Augment, so it can be an infinite kiting setup.

On December 27 2012 08:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Surely possible. I think that will require a meta shift though. Viktor is so powerful now because his burst is so good. If tanky mages were more "in", so to speak, I think Viktor with Power Augment tankier AP items could certainly be quite useful.



I really really like Syndra. I was sad because I spammed the fuck out of her before her buffs, and lost a LOT of elo doing so. She definitely has merit, but right now, the ratio of effort required to return for her is way higher than probably any champ in the game. Why play Syndra when you can play literally any other burst mage and work half as hard for the same return, while being less fragile?

On December 27 2012 08:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I really really like Syndra. I was sad because I spammed the fuck out of her before her buffs, and lost a LOT of elo doing so. She definitely has merit, but right now, the ratio of effort required to return for her is way higher than probably any champ in the game. Why play Syndra when you can play literally any other burst mage and work half as hard for the same return, while being less fragile?

On December 27 2012 09:04 Alaric wrote:

Scratch that, I wanted to write Zyra, I have no idea why I wrote Syndra. Anyway, that had more to do with my fiery hate for her from PBE notes while you loved her from the very beginning and mained her.

On December 27 2012 09:05 TheYango wrote:

Syndra has potential in competitive play, IMO, but you have to build a team around her. In solo queue you can't rely on getting a team that can work around your level 9/13 power peak, so it's probably not worth it.

On December 27 2012 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Hey now, Viktor is still my most played, friend.

On December 27 2012 09:04 Alaric wrote:

Scratch that, I wanted to write Zyra, I have no idea why I wrote Syndra. Anyway, that had more to do with my fiery hate for her from PBE notes while you loved her from the very beginning and mained her.

WAIT, does Syndra's W work on Zyra's plants?
Syndra seems to be really strong when she gets even a sight lead in lane against a non-mobility champ, as she can just Q when she sees you, try to W something on top of you, Q again, ult and you're good to back if you don't want her to outright kill you. If she has some cdr (and a lot of them rush grail) she'll probably be able to repeat that almost everytime you're back up.

She really suffers from the travel time on W (can be pretty long sometimes) and how it can get stuck in walls and towers near the start and end of the "flight", because it limits her poke to Q, and she has no way to harm a squishy until the front lines crumble, so it's hard to use her ult well before the clean-up phase unless somebody screws up (bad positioning or lack of peeling).

On December 27 2012 09:11 Craton wrote:

To be fair, you only have 2 champions with more than 5 games played.

On December 27 2012 08:59 sob3k wrote:
I've shit on a ton of lanes with Viktor top going like chalice rylai tanky stuff and maxing Q, you can just destroy a ton of tops who can't deal with that level of harass. I still go death augment though just because its better and you dont need the other shit from power.

In fact I've won top against just about every common toplaner except garen, don't even fucking try it, miserable.

On December 27 2012 09:15 kongoline wrote:

what about assasins (khazix etc) do they destroy viktor? do u have guide with item builds etc?

On December 27 2012 09:11 Sufficiency wrote:


Syndra's W does work on Zyra plants, but that's not why she is strong against the plant bitch. It's mostly because Syndra got a lot of burst and her sustain damage is decent.

The travel time on her W is faster iirc and it does not get stuck on wall anymore.

With her ult buff in the next patch.... I don't know.

On December 27 2012 09:20 Alaric wrote:
My initial build with Viktor was Brand-like—read rylai-wota. When I had some cdr it made the clean-up phases hilarious as the shield+heal from Q made me very tanky against low damage champs while the combination of Q (full slow, low cd), W (AoE slow+stun, powerful positional tool) and E (extremely-long range weak slow) made kiting a breeze*.

But that wouldn't make him especially good at bursting carries down, or at least not better than others, which he is (at least was in s2, I'm focusing too much on Swain mid to have extensive Viktor experience in s3), and as importantly which is is forte.
It's not that a kiting/tanky Viktor is bad, but a bursty/glass cannon Viktor is just so much better that building otherwise is gimping yourself. It'd be pretty hard for Riot to make all 3 ways (tanky/kiting, glass cannon burst, poking utility) equally efficient, and while I would love it for how it encompasses the initial concept of the champion (evolution/adaptation/versatility) I fear that he'd be deemed OP if that ever happened <insert anti-Anivia rant here to reach my quotas>.


* Syndra with Rylai is also hilarious since hitting any Q means your W will hit, so the next Q will hit too, and then you can easily use E to stun the slowed target, rylai/cdr Syndra is unkillable for bruisers without a low cd gap closer or the ability to burst her down before E comes back up. But rylai's a bad item on her apart from these chases scenarios so don't do it.

On December 27 2012 09:05 TheYango wrote:

Syndra has potential in competitive play, IMO, but you have to build a team around her. In solo queue you can't rely on getting a team that can work around your level 9/13 power peak, so it's probably not worth it.