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On December 21 2012 12:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
Although I love mid Ryze, I agree with the nerfs. He was just so fucking broken with all the new mana+tanky items (and Muramana, oh god).
So, the change is, IMO, very dumb. It doesn't change the Muramana problem and its really just a nerf to his early/midgame (which already is lame).
This is kinda like the Rengar problem. Ryze is a champ that is already fairly hard to balance because of his unique mana scaling feature. When you add in Muramana which applied to His AA, Q, W he can't really be balanced properly. You can keep nerfing Q,, but then he will eventually be the Midlane Poppy.
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On December 21 2012 12:28 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 12:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
Although I love mid Ryze, I agree with the nerfs. He was just so fucking broken with all the new mana+tanky items (and Muramana, oh god). So, the change is, IMO, very dumb. It doesn't change the Muramana problem and its really just a nerf to his early/midgame (which already is lame). This is kinda like the Rengar problem. Ryze is a champ that is already fairly hard to balance because of his unique mana scaling feature. When you add in Muramana which applied to His AA, Q, W he can't really be balanced properly. You can keep nerfing Q,, but then he will eventually be the Midlane Poppy.
That is a great comparison, all this does is hurt his already weak early game. This won't keep him from becoming a late game monster though.
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On December 21 2012 12:15 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 12:11 MooMooMugi wrote:
Riven base hp5 nerfed in half is a huge nerf LOL Her ult nerf will be kinda big in lane, not being able to kill someone base then do it again is gonna be huge. Random E buff tho is odd
Wow the ult nerf is huge in laning phase almost 30% higher for rank 1 and 2
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On December 21 2012 11:52 onlywonderboy wrote:
In addition they half-reverted the Diana ult range, it's up to 825 now. Also more Annie buffs, they really want people to play Annie haha.
They've said before that they want Annie to be their base line mage. Which was believable a year ago when she did see some play but is pretty unbelievable now that no one plays her and every champion out ranges her.
On December 21 2012 12:01 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:52 onlywonderboy wrote:
In addition they half-reverted the Diana ult range, it's up to 825 now. Also more Annie buffs, they really want people to play Annie haha. The Annie E buff seems pretty nice. I don't know about the Q mana cost buff though. I wonder... if they make Annie manaless, would she be utterly broken?
She might as well be manaless right now. You're never gonna run out of mana outside of lane phase and I rarely have any mana issues before first blue. And I don't build any mana on her lol.
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On December 21 2012 12:28 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 12:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
Although I love mid Ryze, I agree with the nerfs. He was just so fucking broken with all the new mana+tanky items (and Muramana, oh god). So, the change is, IMO, very dumb. It doesn't change the Muramana problem and its really just a nerf to his early/midgame (which already is lame). This is kinda like the Rengar problem. Ryze is a champ that is already fairly hard to balance because of his unique mana scaling feature. When you add in Muramana which applied to His AA, Q, W he can't really be balanced properly. You can keep nerfing Q,, but then he will eventually be the Midlane Poppy.
His range is pretty crap, so he needs the tankiness to be effective later on though.
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huge jarvan buff, hes gonna make a comeback now. Already fits the meta quite well just underplayed.
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Riven.
Base Mp5 is now 4.5 (down from 9.5)
Dang. First you nerf her health regen and now her mana... riot pls.
Talon disperses a ring of blades and becomes invisible for up to 2.5 seconds, gaining 40/7 % Movement Speed. When Talon emerges from invisibility, the blades converge on his location. Every time a blade passes through an enemy, they receive 120/170/220/85/100 (+0) physical damage.
Pros only get 3 points in R anyways.
Other than that I like the buffs to manamune, the revert of udyr's nerf (People complained he could carry oracles forever and was too strong and a week later he sucked and no one played him because he got kited to death by sorakas).
Witchcap having Zhonya's ring's passives is interesting. I like that it's not cost efficient.
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Yes! a buff to BC is just what I was hoping for...... Wait WHAT? it's as if AD caster isn't rampaging solo queues already. I hope this change doesn't make it live. I'm fine with the rest, especially the riven nerf. It made no sense that her ult would be up everytime you come into lane.
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What's everyone's thoughts on Vi.
Based on my few normal games with her, I was able to 1-combo squishies with Ult -> E -> uncharged q -> E.
She seems really strong, but I haven't seen enough of her to be sure.
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On December 21 2012 12:44 obesechicken13 wrote:Dang. First you nerf her health regen and now her mana... riot pls. Show nested quote +
Talon disperses a ring of blades and becomes invisible for up to 2.5 seconds, gaining 40/7 % Movement Speed. When Talon emerges from invisibility, the blades converge on his location. Every time a blade passes through an enemy, they receive 120/170/220/85/100 (+0) physical damage.
Pros only get 3 points in R anyways. Other than that I like the buffs to manamune, the revert of udyr's nerf (People complained he could carry oracles forever and was too strong and a week later he sucked and no one played him because he got kited to death by sorakas). Witchcap having Zhonya's ring's passives is interesting. I like that it's not cost efficient.
It's been that way in TT for a while now, they just changed the recipe so it's the two blasting wands instead of the needlessly large rod. It's an interesting idea for TT, helps AP champs against the bruisers, having the active and bonus AP in one item is too nice to pass up.
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Jarvan IV
Golden Aegis [ W ]
Now instead of gaining health, gains a shield that absorbs damage
What? They only changed the wording, a HP shield absorbs damage anyway... They probably thought the surrounding champions give Jarvan health rather than his shield.
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I find it astonishing that Riot talks so much about how they don't want ranged ADs building IE first all day everyday, then make changes that seem like they want every AD caster to build BC.
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On December 21 2012 12:37 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 12:28 cLutZ wrote:On December 21 2012 12:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
Although I love mid Ryze, I agree with the nerfs. He was just so fucking broken with all the new mana+tanky items (and Muramana, oh god). So, the change is, IMO, very dumb. It doesn't change the Muramana problem and its really just a nerf to his early/midgame (which already is lame). This is kinda like the Rengar problem. Ryze is a champ that is already fairly hard to balance because of his unique mana scaling feature. When you add in Muramana which applied to His AA, Q, W he can't really be balanced properly. You can keep nerfing Q,, but then he will eventually be the Midlane Poppy. His range is pretty crap, so he needs the tankiness to be effective later on though.
I dont see how the change affects that. He still will build super tanky and be a machinegun lategame (albeit one that does 5% less damage). Ryze is fine, muramana is the problem.
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they buffed black cleaver again
time to roll out the talon/panth/bugman even more
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On December 21 2012 12:59 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 12:37 ticklishmusic wrote:On December 21 2012 12:28 cLutZ wrote:On December 21 2012 12:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
Although I love mid Ryze, I agree with the nerfs. He was just so fucking broken with all the new mana+tanky items (and Muramana, oh god). So, the change is, IMO, very dumb. It doesn't change the Muramana problem and its really just a nerf to his early/midgame (which already is lame). This is kinda like the Rengar problem. Ryze is a champ that is already fairly hard to balance because of his unique mana scaling feature. When you add in Muramana which applied to His AA, Q, W he can't really be balanced properly. You can keep nerfing Q,, but then he will eventually be the Midlane Poppy. His range is pretty crap, so he needs the tankiness to be effective later on though. I dont see how the change affects that. He still will build super tanky and be a machinegun lategame (albeit one that does 5% less damage). Ryze is fine, muramana is the problem.
Maybe do manamune/eye upgrades like the boots-- when you max out the mana pool bonus, you can pay some amount of gold for the enchantment? Actually, that would still be pretty broken.
I had an epic moment the other day when it transformed halfway through a teamfight. All of a sudden doubling your DPS is kind of scary.
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On December 21 2012 13:00 Dusty wrote:
they buffed black cleaver again
time to roll out the talon/panth/bugman even more
Well they nerfed talon in addition, but Panth and Kha should probably still be strong.
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On December 21 2012 12:53 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 12:44 obesechicken13 wrote:Riven.
Base Mp5 is now 4.5 (down from 9.5) Dang. First you nerf her health regen and now her mana... riot pls.
Talon disperses a ring of blades and becomes invisible for up to 2.5 seconds, gaining 40/7 % Movement Speed. When Talon emerges from invisibility, the blades converge on his location. Every time a blade passes through an enemy, they receive 120/170/220/85/100 (+0) physical damage.
Pros only get 3 points in R anyways. Other than that I like the buffs to manamune, the revert of udyr's nerf (People complained he could carry oracles forever and was too strong and a week later he sucked and no one played him because he got kited to death by sorakas). Witchcap having Zhonya's ring's passives is interesting. I like that it's not cost efficient. It's been that way in TT for a while now, they just changed the recipe so it's the two blasting wands instead of the needlessly large rod. It's an interesting idea for TT, helps AP champs against the bruisers, having the active and bonus AP in one item is too nice to pass up.
Well maybe. But Deathcap is like the same thing as the current wooglet only more expensive.
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On December 21 2012 13:28 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 12:53 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 21 2012 12:44 obesechicken13 wrote:Riven.
Base Mp5 is now 4.5 (down from 9.5) Dang. First you nerf her health regen and now her mana... riot pls.
Talon disperses a ring of blades and becomes invisible for up to 2.5 seconds, gaining 40/7 % Movement Speed. When Talon emerges from invisibility, the blades converge on his location. Every time a blade passes through an enemy, they receive 120/170/220/85/100 (+0) physical damage.
Pros only get 3 points in R anyways. Other than that I like the buffs to manamune, the revert of udyr's nerf (People complained he could carry oracles forever and was too strong and a week later he sucked and no one played him because he got kited to death by sorakas). Witchcap having Zhonya's ring's passives is interesting. I like that it's not cost efficient. It's been that way in TT for a while now, they just changed the recipe so it's the two blasting wands instead of the needlessly large rod. It's an interesting idea for TT, helps AP champs against the bruisers, having the active and bonus AP in one item is too nice to pass up. Well maybe. But Deathcap is like the same thing as the current wooglet only more expensive.
The Zhonya's active being built into Witchcap has been live since the Zed patch, the only change that happened this patch was to the recipe.
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Is everybody forgetting that the BC buff is just a revert? The part that was really causing the issue got nerfed, get over it.
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Pretty sure J4's W was just a reword, like most abilities from this PBE patch.
BTW, Prince of Persia too hard. Back to LoL for me.
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