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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:16 gtrsrs wrote: ashe has some really good lanes especially against cait who is quickly becoming fotm Like what? aphro (Cait) is beating Turtle (Ashe) pretty hard atm on stream. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
 Also, name changes so cheap. Time for hoppin' on da bandwagon and going ChrispySCarra imo. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:19 NeoIllusions wrote: Like what? aphro (Cait) is beating Turtle (Ashe) pretty hard atm on stream. Ashe's lane is only tolerable if you can shove your lane into enemy tower. If not her laning is terrible. If you look at top ADC's like Doublelift in 2v2 lanes, he wins a lot of his vayne lanes in 2v2s simply by pushing the lane out, even against bad lane matchups, and then have the support ward heavily/deep into river. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:12 NeoIllusions wrote: Since we're on the topic of ADCs, TWITCH, so good to see so many AD players picking him up, from qtpie to Cop. Draven, still hasn't caught on. I don't have a clue why. His laning is absurb but I guess in late game team fights, he can get dove on hard. @_@ Sivir, don't know why she isn't a go to pick more often, not even for Double. With all these new AD items, she would be so redonk. Draven is a liability because he needs his axes for massive damage (in team fights it's almost impossible to catch them), a support that doesn't just hide in a bush, and has no jump Sivir has bad range, high mana costs, and no jump, but still is a good pick Twitch just explodes versus the right team | ||
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
I was wondering if Twitch ultimate causes it to charge ridiculously fast? | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
I'm going to continue to jungle her, but I'd imagine that the R range nerf is even going to make farming the jungle painfully annoying since you cannot jump nearly as far post 6. | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:12 NeoIllusions wrote: Since we're on the topic of ADCs, TWITCH, so good to see so many AD players picking him up, from qtpie to Cop. Draven, still hasn't caught on. I don't have a clue why. His laning is absurb but I guess in late game team fights, he can get dove on hard. @_@ Sivir, don't know why she isn't a go to pick more often, not even for Double. With all these new AD items, she would be so redonk. What particular new AD items did you have in mind? I play a lot of Sivir, but didn't really find any of the new items for her that appealing. Even the qss upgrade, usually I prefer the double spell shield with banshee's or ga | ||
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seRapH
United States9719 Posts
And double just doesn't do well with sivir (at least in his mind) | ||
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TheSinisterRed
United States1546 Posts
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Ziken
Ghana1743 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:12 NeoIllusions wrote: Since we're on the topic of ADCs, TWITCH, so good to see so many AD players picking him up, from qtpie to Cop. Draven, still hasn't caught on. I don't have a clue why. His laning is absurb but I guess in late game team fights, he can get dove on hard. @_@ Sivir, don't know why she isn't a go to pick more often, not even for Double. With all these new AD items, she would be so redonk. I especially dont understand the lack of sivir picks, her ult is still really good, and she still does an absurd amount of damage. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 14 2012 15:02 Ziken wrote: I especially dont understand the lack of sivir picks, her ult is still really good, and she still does an absurd amount of damage. No escapes, really really low range, and she doesn't have any sort of niche that she's just incredibly good at. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 14 2012 15:08 overt wrote: No escapes, really really low range, and she doesn't have any sort of niche that she's just incredibly good at. I always felt she is sort of a counterpick to Graves, but Graves is rarely played now.... | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
In solo queue, there are two major things that you really need to win--win lane, and teamfight. This is why Ezzy/Corki/Graves are still the kings of solo queue. When by and large solo queue teams are just going to be butting heads against each other after laning phase, an AD that has a powerful teamfight presence early and can snowball an advantage is going to be more likely to work out than one that has to farm to lategame to have a major influence on the game. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 14 2012 15:15 Sufficiency wrote: I always felt she is sort of a counterpick to Graves, but Graves is rarely played now.... Yeah she has a favorable lane against Graves but it's not like Ez/Corki do bad against Graves. I think Caitlyn does fine against Graves too. And all three of them have better/safer team fighting than Sivir. I'm not trying to come down on Sivir too hard. But to be fair, AD carry is probably my most played role and Sivir is by far my least favorite AD carry to play. I think she's really boring personally. | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
On December 14 2012 15:05 Eppa! wrote: Because she sucks vs Vayne and Cait the 2 top carries atm. Yes, vayne can tumble out of a boomerang, but Sivir gets close to vayne damage off of the auto w auto combo alone which does significantly more upfront burst and it is easy to disengage from the trade because of sivir's passive negating vayne's. If you do land boomerang, then you do so much more damage than vayne by such a large margin she cannot hope to trade with you. You put sivir with an aggressive support and they will beat a vayne lane pretty easily. It's a skill matchup, but most bot lanes are. Cait is difficult to deal with, but some of sivir's mana problems are negated because she can just walk over a trap. In a forced fight, sivir does far more damage than cait does, so if you run an all-in lane with leona/taric/ali/zyra vs cait, I wouldn't say the the matchup is unmanagable. I don't really think matchups are why sivir is unpopular, I'd point to her hard to hit, clunky and slow skill shot and her extremely poor auto attack animation as bigger reasions why people don't like her. But her late game and teamfight utility is incredible with her ult, and she kites well and has huge burst, can one shot minion waves, and split pushes like no one else. Even her lack of a dash isn't that big a problem, because spell shield damage negation is almost superior in a lot of cases. I can't see any real reason why she couldn't see more play other than pro players being fickle. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
but then vayne became fotm after worlds. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On December 14 2012 15:22 Vanka wrote: Yes, vayne can tumble out of a boomerang, but Sivir gets close to vayne damage off of the auto w auto combo alone which does significantly more upfront burst and it is easy to disengage from the trade because of sivir's passive negating vayne's. If you do land boomerang, then you do so much more damage than vayne by such a large margin she cannot hope to trade with you. You put sivir with an aggressive support and they will beat a vayne lane pretty easily. It's a skill matchup, but most bot lanes are. Cait is difficult to deal with, but some of sivir's mana problems are negated because she can just walk over a trap. In a forced fight, sivir does far more damage than cait does, so if you run an all-in lane with leona/taric/ali/zyra vs cait, I wouldn't say the the matchup is unmanagable. I don't really think matchups are why sivir is unpopular, I'd point to her hard to hit, clunky and slow skill shot and her extremely poor auto attack animation as bigger reasions why people don't like her. But her late game and teamfight utility is incredible with her ult, and she kites well and has huge burst, can one shot minion waves, and split pushes like no one else. Even her lack of a dash isn't that big a problem, because spell shield damage negation is almost superior in a lot of cases. I can't see any real reason why she couldn't see more play other than pro players being fickle. Her AA really sucks. As a player who AD Carries only Ashe and Kog (mostly kog) I dont approve of sivir b/c of her aa. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 14 2012 15:32 kainzero wrote: sivir enjoyed some fotm after regionals, i think. but then vayne became fotm after worlds. She got some fotm after her re-work but then they nerfed her ult and was immediately not played much anymore. I'm sure if you build a team comp around her she'd be pretty strong. Her ult is definitely strong. But having 500 range is pretty horrendous. | ||
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