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[Patch 1.0.0.152: Preseason 3] General Discussion - Page 43

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Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
December 05 2012 19:44 GMT
#841
It feels almost like my champs have a dota-esque turn speed or something. My latency is fine but everything feels somewhat delayed. Idk what's causing it, but I can't stand this patch
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 19:45:53
December 05 2012 19:45 GMT
#842
On December 06 2012 04:41 Roffles wrote:
What do you guys feel about the Sightstone/Oracles situation? Seems to me as if there's too many wards out on the map and there's so much vision from both teams with no one willing to buy a 5 minute oracles to clear them out unless perhaps Dragon/Baron's being contested. Any thoughts on how to remedy this situation?

Not sure what you mean. Buying Oracles would remedy that? Or maybe buying pink wards.
Don't really see any other way with dealing an enemy team that wards a lot, lol.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
December 05 2012 19:45 GMT
#843
On December 06 2012 04:10 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 04:08 Gahlo wrote:
On December 06 2012 04:04 billy5000 wrote:
How cost effective is it to build armor in this new patch as opposed to the old one? Is building armor less efficient or more efficient than before?

All armor is either more expensive or nerfed. In some cases, it's both.

all armor except 1 item... guess which? :D
I'll give you a hint, it also features 4 different defensive stats that all benefit eachother.

Aggis of teh leggion? I don't think sunfire was nerfed either but most armor has been.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 05 2012 19:46 GMT
#844
I feel like the duration on Oracle's should have been accompanied by a cost decrease. Keeping the same price tag makes it harder to justify.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 19:47:45
December 05 2012 19:46 GMT
#845
On December 06 2012 04:45 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 04:10 PrinceXizor wrote:
On December 06 2012 04:08 Gahlo wrote:
On December 06 2012 04:04 billy5000 wrote:
How cost effective is it to build armor in this new patch as opposed to the old one? Is building armor less efficient or more efficient than before?

All armor is either more expensive or nerfed. In some cases, it's both.

all armor except 1 item... guess which? :D
I'll give you a hint, it also features 4 different defensive stats that all benefit eachother.

Aggis of teh leggion? I don't think sunfire was nerfed either but most armor has been.

Locket. :D
425 hp
35 armor
10 Hp/5
Shield
10% cdr
2000 gold.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 05 2012 19:47 GMT
#846
On December 06 2012 04:45 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 04:41 Roffles wrote:
What do you guys feel about the Sightstone/Oracles situation? Seems to me as if there's too many wards out on the map and there's so much vision from both teams with no one willing to buy a 5 minute oracles to clear them out unless perhaps Dragon/Baron's being contested. Any thoughts on how to remedy this situation?

Not sure what you mean. Buying Oracles would remedy that? Or maybe buying pink wards.
Don't really see any other way with dealing an enemy team that wards a lot, lol.

Was asking if there was a solution to this situation. (Too many wards, Oracles not worth it at its cost and duration).
God Bless
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
December 05 2012 19:47 GMT
#847
Diana's jungle hasn't changed at all. Since you get 5 pots instead of 3, I still come out and gank at 4 with similar HP to what I had in season 2 jungle.

I'm really liking Iceborn Gauntlet on her. Makes her far less dependent on using her E in teamfights and frees the E up to cancel channels when needed. Out of the spirit stone items, I am favoring the golem over wraiths because it allows her to build Sorceror's boots without losing out on Tenacity. And with the change in Pen, it's great to have more HP.

I could see the wraiths spirit stone upgrade being really good on Fiddlesticks jungle though.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 19:49:18
December 05 2012 19:48 GMT
#848
On December 06 2012 04:47 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 04:45 Scip wrote:
On December 06 2012 04:41 Roffles wrote:
What do you guys feel about the Sightstone/Oracles situation? Seems to me as if there's too many wards out on the map and there's so much vision from both teams with no one willing to buy a 5 minute oracles to clear them out unless perhaps Dragon/Baron's being contested. Any thoughts on how to remedy this situation?

Not sure what you mean. Buying Oracles would remedy that? Or maybe buying pink wards.
Don't really see any other way with dealing an enemy team that wards a lot, lol.

Was asking if there was a solution to this situation. (Too many wards, Oracles not worth it at its cost and duration).

play all ward dodging characters. Anyones LoL client crashing on startup of a game. close to 100% of the time? takes me 3-5 tries to get into a game.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
December 05 2012 19:51 GMT
#849
On December 06 2012 04:44 TheYango wrote:
Bottle+Faerie+2Pot -> Chalice seems like the smoothest start for mana-using mids.

bottle?

do you start quelling blade and 5 pots on your junglers too?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 05 2012 19:51 GMT
#850
On December 06 2012 04:44 TheYango wrote:
Bottle+Faerie+2Pot -> Chalice seems like the smoothest start for mana-using mids.

Ya but it doesn't account for the mids relying on a big pool rather than a big regen (Anivia, Swain, Ryze most notably). Well those can still start tear I guess, off of Faerie, but Swain doesn't like it either because he can't charge it for the life of him.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 05 2012 19:53 GMT
#851
So what's the deal with jungle leashing now? Particularly, if I'm playing mid should I be doing anything differently?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 19:58:02
December 05 2012 19:54 GMT
#852
I feel like de-warding on the whole got disincentivized. Oracle's got hit really hard which makes it awkward to invest in for de-warding (particularly as Sightstone wards give less gold), and the problem is that Sightstone ALSO hurts your ability to use Pink Wards to de-ward, because a) the opponent doesn't actually lose gold from losing Sightstone wards, and b) if you de-ward a Sightstone ward, the enemy laner can just place two additional Sightstone wards that have less individual coverage, but that together still cover the same area that the ward you de-warded did. You can't continue the process of de-warding these because investing 125 gold to remove two individually low-value wards isn't a worthwhile investment, and at the point where you've spent 375 gold de-warding 3 wards that he placed for free, the gold deficit starts to look pretty signfiicant.

This leads to the possibility for very stagnant gameplay if de-warding isn't worth the cost. A possible approach to handling this is to disjoin the vision aspect of pink wards from the detection aspect a la DotA--where you can buy a pink ward that ONLY detects, but doesn't grant vision on its own for 75 gold. This somewhat addresses the issue of disincentivizing de-warding low-value wards because you're not paying for the vision aspect of the pink ward when you don't need it.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 19:59:10
December 05 2012 19:58 GMT
#853
On December 06 2012 04:53 koreasilver wrote:
So what's the deal with jungle leashing now? Particularly, if I'm playing mid should I be doing anything differently?

They attack closest person. If the closest person changes it counts as a "leash" and will switch targets. At 10 switches the camp resets. At the very least still throw the damage onto the camp.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 05 2012 20:00 GMT
#854
On December 06 2012 04:58 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 04:53 koreasilver wrote:
So what's the deal with jungle leashing now? Particularly, if I'm playing mid should I be doing anything differently?

They attack closest person. If the closest person changes it counts as a "leash" and will switch targets. At 10 switches the camp resets. At the very least still throw the damage onto the camp.

It actually means mids can (and probably should) stay to do more damage than before because giving more than 1 spell+1 auto doesn't cause the camp to un-leash.
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
December 05 2012 20:01 GMT
#855
Anyone been running 21 utility on jungles if it works on them? I got it to work on Maokai and Diana, and it seems to be the best for the extra gold and move speed. Or how is everyone doing it?
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 05 2012 20:01 GMT
#856
On December 06 2012 04:58 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 04:53 koreasilver wrote:
So what's the deal with jungle leashing now? Particularly, if I'm playing mid should I be doing anything differently?

They attack closest person. If the closest person changes it counts as a "leash" and will switch targets. At 10 switches the camp resets. At the very least still throw the damage onto the camp.

You should stick around until Blue or Red is around half. I know, it makes you miss out on farm, but there are plenty of junglers that can really benefit from not losing 2/3rds of their health to the first buff monster.
It's your boy Guzma!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 05 2012 20:01 GMT
#857
"I want to learn to play Swain!", I thought. Then I get these 1-9, 2-4, 0-4 scores. LOL.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
December 05 2012 20:06 GMT
#858
Can someone explain the BoRK to me? Is the life steal 2% of the current health or half of the total damage dealt? And it looks like it scales only with AD, so why is Teemo a good user?
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 20:08:42
December 05 2012 20:06 GMT
#859
On December 06 2012 04:47 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 04:45 Scip wrote:
On December 06 2012 04:41 Roffles wrote:
What do you guys feel about the Sightstone/Oracles situation? Seems to me as if there's too many wards out on the map and there's so much vision from both teams with no one willing to buy a 5 minute oracles to clear them out unless perhaps Dragon/Baron's being contested. Any thoughts on how to remedy this situation?

Not sure what you mean. Buying Oracles would remedy that? Or maybe buying pink wards.
Don't really see any other way with dealing an enemy team that wards a lot, lol.

Was asking if there was a solution to this situation. (Too many wards, Oracles not worth it at its cost and duration).

Probably it's just that the game changed and it's probably going to become standard to place more wards on the map. If it is as good as you say, then you can just mimic that strategy and then things should be even again.
From my personal experience+theorycraft I would say that placing more wards IS going to become standard.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
TheSinisterRed
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1546 Posts
December 05 2012 20:08 GMT
#860
I have noticed some odd things on the new patch that just feel off to me. I have been missing some last hits on creeps because I will click on the wrong one (which could just be me being bad, but it seems to happen more now than before), and my character seems a little less responsive. The biggest one for me is the shop. There is around a half a second (or so) more delay from when I push the button to when it opens since the patch, and it is really bothering me. Anyone else notice this, or am I just imagining things?
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