EPTi think it may be a legit build on many champs if you are capable of getting fed and snowballing, but i have friends at higher elo telling me it's just too much gold for a build with such a wonky power curve
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
i think it may be a legit build on many champs if you are capable of getting fed and snowballing, but i have friends at higher elo telling me it's just too much gold for a build with such a wonky power curve | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8324 Posts
On December 06 2012 01:41 Requizen wrote: 1. Liandry and Rylai have great synergy. Starcall only gets half effectiveness on Liandry, though, since it's AoE. 2. Kayle is considered ranged when E is active, so she only gets 3 for harassing with it. Good to know thanks! Wow I had no idea how active these forums are! Man, I'm gonna get back into this game in a major way. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
On December 05 2012 23:54 Vernay wrote: Random question from someone from the SC2 side of this old forum * lurker face* im a 1.5k elo support who is looking to into league more seriously, but im having issues identifying faults in my game play as support so i was thinking about switching to mid, were indicators of performance are far more immediate. i was wondering if you guys could suggest what is looking good in this new season. in addition, i was thinking about playing with this crazy Annie set up ( http://www.lolpro.com/guides/annie/329-annie-build-guide-mid-lane-by-damionwings ) as it seems to be really strong early, which wins games at my elo, but 13 thousand IP is a ton for someone who doesn't play huge amounts at the moment. Thanks  vern Maybe just try ArPen and see how much your AA harass hurts in lane. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 06 2012 01:47 onlywonderboy wrote: Nah, Zyra's plants count as aoe, that's how they are calculated with spell vamp. The thing is, AoE/DoT Liandry's has half *duration*, not half effect. Since Zyra plants reapply the debuff more often than every 1.5 seconds, it's effectively full effect except that it falls off 1.5 seconds sooner. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 06 2012 01:37 TheDougler wrote: Also, 2 questions if anyone has the answers. 1. Liandry's stacks with rylais crystal scepter if I'm rocking an AP soraka spamming starcall right? 2. Does Kayle count as a melee champion at all times for the pickpocket ability? 2. No. If it did it'd be a bug. Manamune has a bug. Sometimes it doesn't show the cooldown. Muramana should have some visual indicator that it's on. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 06 2012 01:49 Alaric wrote: Zyra's plant proc rylai/spellvamp the way AoE effects do, so probably the same for Liandry. The simple fact that they proc it is already huge in itself, though. Especially if the debuff works the way Teemo or Naut's do (ie. first tick when damage is applied, then 1 tick per second), as a EWW combo would allow that first pick to be applied a lot. It depends on what they call "periodic effects" I guess. I mean "half-duration" means 1.5s, but Swain's Q deals damage every second iirc, so the fact that the duration is halved bears no meaning, except for the final tick that'll proc Liandry for half duration (and normal damage since the slow won't be applied irrc). Uh... tl;dr: "half-duration" means "same damage per second" so a DoT doesn't get its damage nerfed since it'll reapply the effect anyway, except for the very last tick (but at this point you already did more damage than a nuke). Oh half DURATION not half DAMAGE. I really need to read things more clearly. In that case, then yeah, don't most DoT effects make this stronger? As I said before, Fiddle Fear/Drain combo ticks every second, so doesn't it do more damage than a single target nuke as long as you get 3 ticks off? You only get the double damage while the fear is in effect, but it could be pretty interesting. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 06 2012 02:00 Requizen wrote: Oh half DURATION not half DAMAGE. I really need to read things more clearly. In that case, then yeah, don't most DoT effects make this stronger? As I said before, Fiddle Fear/Drain combo ticks every second, so doesn't it do more damage than a single target nuke as long as you get 3 ticks off? You only get the double damage while the fear is in effect, but it could be pretty interesting. Afaik, Fiddle's W doesn't refresh Liandry's. Just applies at start. Also reduced count of the number of ticks. Otherwise malz E would tick Liandry's for 5+1.5 seconds=6.5 seconds instead of just 5. http://www.reignofgaming.net/forums/strategy/champions-and-gameplay/29479-item-mechanics-liandrys-torment - AoE and DoT based spells halve the number of ticks rather than the duration. It may seem like a technicality, but a simple halved duration (re wording of the tooltip) would imply the full 5% over 1.5 seconds; instead, it's halved to 2.5% over 1.5 seconds. If it does apply for the full duration then Malz's E is half dps for 5+1.5 seconds or 6.5/2=3.25 effective seconds of liandry damage compared to a Ryze Q's 3 seconds of effective damage. Malz does slightly more than 5% of someone's life but the duration Liandry is on the target is longer. | ||
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c.Deadly
United States545 Posts
On December 06 2012 02:00 Requizen wrote: Oh half DURATION not half DAMAGE. I really need to read things more clearly. In that case, then yeah, don't most DoT effects make this stronger? As I said before, Fiddle Fear/Drain combo ticks every second, so doesn't it do more damage than a single target nuke as long as you get 3 ticks off? You only get the double damage while the fear is in effect, but it could be pretty interesting. Yeah Liandry's is extremely strong on APs who have DoT effects. Anivia, Brand, Cassiopeia, Malzahar, and Swain are some that I've written down, haven't tried them out yet. I have high hopes for Malz | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 06 2012 02:08 obesechicken13 wrote: Afaik, Fiddle's W doesn't refresh Liandry's. Just applies at start. Also reduced count of the number of ticks. Otherwise malz E would tick Liandry's for 5+2.5 seconds=7 seconds instead of just 5. http://www.reignofgaming.net/forums/strategy/champions-and-gameplay/29479-item-mechanics-liandrys-torment Oh, so it is more or less half damage. Never mind, forget my freakout. So yeah, Vlad (since he likes Rylai anyway), Elise, Rumble, Anivia, Morgana (though iffy because Tormented Soil will overwrite it), and LeBlanc look like the ones that want this. Maybe Karthus, since Lay Waste is considered single target if it only hits one, and he can couple it with Wall of Pain. Vlad and Elise are the only ones I play out of those, but I'm sure we'll see it on others as well. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
Liandri's runans Hurricane hourglass and deathcap. Tooons of dmg. Run through shroom? np 1/3 life gone. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Vlad Ryze the most abusive single-target users. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
I was like: "Selffor....hmmmmmm......oooooo,that explains everything." | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 06 2012 01:22 Ketara wrote: If anybody is wondering, I did some testing on how Liandry's works with Lux. Illumination passive does not proc it. Because it only damages on spell damage. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 06 2012 02:18 AsnSensation wrote: haha just played an AP Teemo game Liandri's runans Hurricane hourglass and deathcap. Tooons of dmg. Run through shroom? np 1/3 life gone. Yeah, I'm thinking about requesting Teemo bans in all my games now. His damage output is fucking retarded, in addition to the fact that he rapes a lot of top lanes. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 06 2012 01:59 TheYango wrote: The thing is, AoE/DoT Liandry's has half *duration*, not half effect. Since Zyra plants reapply the debuff more often than every 1.5 seconds, it's effectively full effect except that it falls off 1.5 seconds sooner. Ahh okay, should have read it more closely. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
Its also pretty good on eve, this i tested. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 06 2012 02:19 TheYango wrote: Karthus, Anivia, Cassio the most abusive over-time/DoT users. Vlad Ryze the most abusive single-target users. Where does Ryze fit Guise into his build, though? I mean, obviously it's pretty good on him just with Rune Prison and Q, but he already has a pretty expensive and good build with items like FH/RoA and or Banshees/AA and or Manamune/Crucible/WotA/Void all being good on him. | ||
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 06 2012 02:25 Requizen wrote: Where does Ryze fit Guise into his build, though? I mean, obviously it's pretty good on him just with Rune Prison and Q, but he already has a pretty expensive and good build with items like FH/RoA and or Banshees/AA and or Manamune/Crucible/WotA/Void all being good on him. Karthus ult gets even more "cool I go awa-shit"er | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 06 2012 02:26 Mondieu wrote: Have some dignity at least and pretend you're not afraid of that little rat! As annoying as he is in lane that's about as useless he is in a team fight ^^ Except now he can get BotRK/FH/Hurricane, have a fuckton of health/lifesteal, and deal % current health to 3 targets at once. It's a pretty big improvement compared to S2 for him. | ||
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