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On December 08 2012 16:53 Dgiese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 16:36 travis wrote:
yes i attribute it largely to the change to gold value of minion kills How much did gold get changed by. I know passive went up, and minion went down, what's the calc for someone who gets say, 70-80 cs / 10 min, now vs before? Iirc someone here posted it... And it was like a couple hundred gold... Pretty insignificant when taking into account all factors.
The siege minions got a 50% increase in value. it matters more WHICH minions you kill than before rather just having them only have a tiny gold difference (27 siege 22 melee 16 ranged) now it's (40 siege 20 melee 15 ranged). A wave is 105 gold now every 3 waves is 145. before every wave was 114 and every 3 waves was 141.
However. every siege minion is worth 1 more than the previous instead of every other siege minion being worth 1 more. so as time goes on so past minute 30 or so there is strictly more money in the new minions. and past 35 it's drastically more money.
an average of 8 gold lost per wave until 4:30 then it's 7.5 gold lost per wave 6:00 is 7 gold lost per wave. ect.
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On December 08 2012 16:27 travis wrote:
Am I the only person that doesn't like the direction league went? I feel like it's 100% about picking the champs that kill the easiest/roam gank the best now...
Farming and zoning isn't important just bursting down in roam ganks that's everything. There is almost no punishment for roaming as far as CS goes.
Or am I just being negative.
Fuck this patch, give me the league of legends i loved back
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Like seriously, I'm glad I'm not a progamer or a caster right now and decided to go to school for my doctorate because they're basically like "well, here's a completely different game that we think you'll like better" every half year.
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On December 08 2012 17:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like seriously, I'm glad I'm not a progamer or a caster right now and decided to go to school for my doctorate because they're basically like "well, here's a completely different game that we think you'll like better" every half year.
Damn, Doctor Shitcombo.
Idk I don't mind the change too much. Like it's definitely drastic but it IS season 3 and they DID promise changes. It'll be fun to see how the meta evolves. I mean people have been running support AD forever now.
I honestly just want replays, other shit doesn't matter.
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On December 08 2012 17:39 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 17:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like seriously, I'm glad I'm not a progamer or a caster right now and decided to go to school for my doctorate because they're basically like "well, here's a completely different game that we think you'll like better" every half year. Damn, Doctor Shitcombo. Idk I don't mind the change too much. Like it's definitely drastic but it IS season 3 and they DID promise changes. It'll be fun to see how the meta evolves. I mean people have been running support AD forever now. I honestly just want replays, other shit doesn't matter.
Yeah i don't get being lazy with adobe air AND no replays.
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On December 08 2012 17:47 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 17:39 HazMat wrote:On December 08 2012 17:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like seriously, I'm glad I'm not a progamer or a caster right now and decided to go to school for my doctorate because they're basically like "well, here's a completely different game that we think you'll like better" every half year. Damn, Doctor Shitcombo. Idk I don't mind the change too much. Like it's definitely drastic but it IS season 3 and they DID promise changes. It'll be fun to see how the meta evolves. I mean people have been running support AD forever now. I honestly just want replays, other shit doesn't matter. Yeah i don't get being lazy with adobe air AND no replays.
Oh yeah a new client would be sex.
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On December 08 2012 16:55 DEN1ED wrote:
So played first game with Nami. She seems insane. 2 AoE CCs, another slow, heals, MS buff.
Her ult is honestly the most troublesome thing. In laning phase it's rather broken and it's an easy KS button (kill secure).
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On December 08 2012 17:36 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 16:27 travis wrote:
Am I the only person that doesn't like the direction league went? I feel like it's 100% about picking the champs that kill the easiest/roam gank the best now...
Farming and zoning isn't important just bursting down in roam ganks that's everything. There is almost no punishment for roaming as far as CS goes.
Or am I just being negative.
Fuck this patch, give me the league of legends i loved back
I wish we had S1 again too.
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I'm really psyched about gifting stuff and christmas comming up. I just need to figure if my friend would want a skin for Udyr or for Skarner...how does new jungle play out for those two? Udyr come out on top?
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Black cleaver stacking...so annoying. Most games I've played lately have two AD assassins. Makes it quite hard to do much of anything. On a positive note, I'm really loving playing Ryze (the only mid I play) and I like the new jungle items.
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On December 08 2012 18:10 Cuddle wrote:
I'm really psyched about gifting stuff and christmas comming up. I just need to figure if my friend would want a skin for Udyr or for Skarner...how does new jungle play out for those two? Udyr come out on top?
astronautilus
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On December 08 2012 17:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like seriously, I'm glad I'm not a progamer or a caster right now and decided to go to school for my doctorate because they're basically like "well, here's a completely different game that we think you'll like better" every half year.
I'm still certain that if they left the game with the S2 zed patch (meaning, they only released champs no nerfs/buffs), we would see a pick/ban change within 3-4 months. Stupid RIOT 
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On December 08 2012 20:13 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 17:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like seriously, I'm glad I'm not a progamer or a caster right now and decided to go to school for my doctorate because they're basically like "well, here's a completely different game that we think you'll like better" every half year. I'm still certain that if they left the game with the S2 zed patch (meaning, they only released champs no nerfs/buffs), we would see a pick/ban change within 3-4 months. Stupid RIOT
well duh, seeing as every other champ they release is utterly fucking broken on day 1 (see: rengar; diana)
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On December 08 2012 20:16 greggy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 20:13 Sponkz wrote:On December 08 2012 17:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like seriously, I'm glad I'm not a progamer or a caster right now and decided to go to school for my doctorate because they're basically like "well, here's a completely different game that we think you'll like better" every half year. I'm still certain that if they left the game with the S2 zed patch (meaning, they only released champs no nerfs/buffs), we would see a pick/ban change within 3-4 months. Stupid RIOT well duh, seeing as every other champ they release is utterly fucking broken on day 1 (see: rengar; diana)
True, but even without champ releases the game would change.
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astronautalis pretty good rapper
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On December 08 2012 17:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like seriously, I'm glad I'm not a progamer or a caster right now and decided to go to school for my doctorate because they're basically like "well, here's a completely different game that we think you'll like better" every half year.
DotA goes through large sweeping changes ~once a year as well. In general, the teams that are successful are fairly capable of adjusting fairly rapidly. There's generally not some huge upset based on teams having to learn things all over again--though some teams do learn the version slightly slower than others,
Being able to adapt quickly to a new version and comprehend what's powerful represents your understanding of the game.
On December 08 2012 20:23 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 20:16 greggy wrote:On December 08 2012 20:13 Sponkz wrote:On December 08 2012 17:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like seriously, I'm glad I'm not a progamer or a caster right now and decided to go to school for my doctorate because they're basically like "well, here's a completely different game that we think you'll like better" every half year. I'm still certain that if they left the game with the S2 zed patch (meaning, they only released champs no nerfs/buffs), we would see a pick/ban change within 3-4 months. Stupid RIOT well duh, seeing as every other champ they release is utterly fucking broken on day 1 (see: rengar; diana) True, but even without champ releases the game would change.
Riot's goal isn't change for the sake of change. The major patch allows them to address general playstyle trends they've observed over the long-term that they don't wish to continue (e.g. the trend toward low-farm 4th position junglers), and address design-related things that aren't necessarily "good" or "bad" but just design they don't like.
How successful they are at these things is up for debate, but at the very least, I'm ok with their objectives.
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Riot make new skin: "Naughty-lus" please.
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On December 08 2012 17:36 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 16:27 travis wrote:
Am I the only person that doesn't like the direction league went? I feel like it's 100% about picking the champs that kill the easiest/roam gank the best now...
Farming and zoning isn't important just bursting down in roam ganks that's everything. There is almost no punishment for roaming as far as CS goes.
Or am I just being negative.
Fuck this patch, give me the league of legends i loved back
Agreed :/ The game is so weird right now, and they even want to nerf my Teemo !
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On December 08 2012 20:42 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 17:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like seriously, I'm glad I'm not a progamer or a caster right now and decided to go to school for my doctorate because they're basically like "well, here's a completely different game that we think you'll like better" every half year. DotA goes through large sweeping changes ~once a year as well. In general, the teams that are successful are fairly capable of adjusting fairly rapidly. There's generally not some huge upset based on teams having to learn things all over again--though some teams do learn the version slightly slower than others, Being able to adapt quickly to a new version and comprehend what's powerful represents your understanding of the game. Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 20:23 Sponkz wrote:On December 08 2012 20:16 greggy wrote:On December 08 2012 20:13 Sponkz wrote:On December 08 2012 17:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like seriously, I'm glad I'm not a progamer or a caster right now and decided to go to school for my doctorate because they're basically like "well, here's a completely different game that we think you'll like better" every half year. I'm still certain that if they left the game with the S2 zed patch (meaning, they only released champs no nerfs/buffs), we would see a pick/ban change within 3-4 months. Stupid RIOT well duh, seeing as every other champ they release is utterly fucking broken on day 1 (see: rengar; diana) True, but even without champ releases the game would change. Riot's goal isn't change for the sake of change. The major patch allows them to address general playstyle trends they've observed over the long-term that they don't wish to continue (e.g. the trend toward low-farm 4th position junglers), and address design-related things that aren't necessarily "good" or "bad" but just design they don't like. How successful they are at these things is up for debate, but at the very least, I'm ok with their objectives.
I would argue dota changes aren't as big as these. League as a game is just a lot more static and thus any change to it is a lot more impactful than dota
Also with your example it doesn't seem to match up with what they have done. They haven't done anything to address low-farm 4th junglers, if anything they made it harder to get farm in the jungle not easier?
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