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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 01 2012 07:23 TheYango wrote: There's also EHOME 2010 and DK 2011 that basically just won everything during their heyday. Well, seems we might need to look for a player that caused the dominance... + Show Spoiler + ![]() | ||
cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On December 01 2012 05:41 TheYango wrote: Lilac is better, but Maknoon deserves a certain amount of credit for how he plays top lane in a way that directs the tempo of the game in a way unlike most other top laners. Doublelift has flashy plays, but Weixiao's fundamentals are simply unmatched. Go back and look at the way Weixiao lasthits and harasses in lane. He's never waiting for a lasthit. He's making use of every autoattack CD but he's still getting every lasthit, while getting off every autoattack virtually on CD (often on enemy champs). He doesn't wait for lasthits--he makes it seem like the lasthits are just coming to him. Didn't Maknoon get his ass handed to him by Shy at some tourney (MLG?) Can I see good vod of WX laning, instead of scrubby videos showing jangler farming wraiths? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 01 2012 07:26 Sermokala wrote: then they lost to navi in dota 2 ![]() lol you're ignoring the fact that KingJ and Burning already got poached by DK well before TI1. | ||
PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On December 01 2012 07:49 cascades wrote: Didn't Maknoon get his ass handed to him by Shy at some tourney (MLG?) Can I see good vod of WX laning, instead of scrubby videos showing jangler farming wraiths? MLG Dallas. Although jungle pressure played a role. | ||
HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On December 01 2012 04:17 HeroHenry wrote: How do I land a Malzahar Q. I can't land one for the life of me unless they stand still. Get a Ryali's and E them first. Or just wait for a siege situation where 5 of them are trying to dodge it, and you'll inevitably hit a few of them (most of the time). Otherwise it mostly comes down to their ability to dodge. | ||
obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 01 2012 06:35 bmn wrote: If you're melee (as Shen is), you can't really punish her that hard during QE downtime unless she's wasting it on minion waves or something. If she uses QE at the same time, there is no period where her Q is down and her E is inactive and on cooldown. (Q comes back up before E range modifier expires.) Getting her to run OOM seems like your best bet; abusing bushes helps to make her waste her E. Aasking for ganks when she is pushed is good too, though certain junglers will have trouble catching her if she warded. I don't see how freezing the lane would help if she has mana; you're just asking to be harrassed to death. She can still farm just fine even if you freeze. After some consideration, I've realized that Kayle advice about waiting for her to run out of mana needs some clarification. By the time Kayle runs out of mana throwing Q's and E's any champion will already be dead. She runs out of mana burning it on W's and R's alongside the Q's. She regens fast enough that if her mana gets low she can still farm and harass with E. Not only that but most Kayle players are aware of Kayle's mana problems. Of the ones that max Q, many build triforce (not that uncommon according to lolking) and they build the sheen component which gives some mana. You're relying on Kayles not running ghost, not having phage, not having a ward to place in the brush, maxing Q, and not building any mana. It's reminds me of that episode where Moe tells Homer to win boxing matches by taking punches until his opponent is too tired. You give all the initiative to your opponent. If you want to make her run out of mana get her to use W's and R's and be sure you fight with her. A Kayle that maxes E will rarely run out of mana. She will push hard though. Off topic. I had an epiphany about AP Yi. Everyone else probably already realized this, but Yi snowballs off kills. Assume there are 5 enemies bunched up, and AP Yi can only do damage through alpha strike. The 5 enemies have 300, 600, 900, 1200, and 1500 effective magic health respectively. If Yi does 300 damage he can kill all 5 of them. If Yi does 250 damage he can't kill any of them. That's why you have to prevent Yi from getting fed, so that he won't ge that 50 damage. I don't think there's a champion in the game that can deny AP Yi his farm but several that won't die to him while getting some of their own farm. A similar thing can be said of Katarina. Katarina relies on resets to increase her damage. She does have great damage even without any resets, but saving a silence for Kat and healing her intended target has to be the way to play. Obviously there are differences between Kat and Yi. You want to break Kat's ult asap, and unlike Yi, she doesn't have a 300armor/mr 9001 heal that will refresh on kill anyways. | ||
Gahlo
United States35090 Posts
On December 01 2012 10:17 obesechicken13 wrote: After some consideration, I've realized that Kayle advice about waiting for her to run out of mana needs some clarification. By the time Kayle runs out of mana throwing Q's and E's any champion will already be dead. She runs out of mana burning it on W's and R's alongside the Q's. She regens fast enough that if her mana gets low she can still farm and harass with E. Not only that but most Kayle players are aware of Kayle's mana problems. Of the ones that max Q, many build triforce (not that uncommon according to lolking) and they build the sheen component which gives some mana. You're relying on Kayles not running ghost, not having phage, not having a ward to place in the brush, maxing Q, and not building any mana. It's reminds me of that episode where Moe tells Homer to win boxing matches by taking punches until his opponent is too tired. You give all the initiative to your opponent. If you want to make her run out of mana get her to use W's and R's and be sure you fight with her. A Kayle that maxes E will rarely run out of mana. She will push hard though. Off topic. I had an epiphany about AP Yi. Everyone else probably already realized this, but Yi snowballs off kills. Assume there are 5 enemies bunched up, and AP Yi can only do damage through alpha strike. The 5 enemies have 300, 600, 900, 1200, and 1500 effective magic health respectively. If Yi does 300 damage he can kill all 5 of them. If Yi does 250 damage he can't kill any of them. That's why you have to prevent Yi from getting fed, so that he won't ge that 50 damage. I don't think there's a champion in the game that can deny AP Yi his farm but several that won't die to him while getting some of their own farm. A similar thing can be said of Katarina. Katarina relies on resets to increase her damage. She does have great damage even without any resets, but saving a silence for Kat and healing her intended target has to be the way to play. Obviously there are differences between Kat and Yi. You want to break Kat's ult asap, and unlike Yi, she doesn't have a 300armor/mr 9001 heal that will refresh on kill anyways. Kat has many ways to do damage and her defensive properties from her kit doesn't stun her. Also, ever having a Magic EHP spread like that is silly. | ||
obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 01 2012 10:52 Gahlo wrote: Kat has many ways to do damage and her defensive properties from her kit doesn't stun her. Also, ever having a Magic EHP spread like that is silly. What's your point? It's an example. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 01 2012 12:30 NeoIllusions wrote: Shy > Lilac > MakNooN Maknoon always and forever #1. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Edit: don't know where I'd put Reapered since I haven't seen him since he left Blaze but back when did play, he was also ahead of MakNooN. | ||
zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
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Wetty
Australia419 Posts
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