[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 232

On November 28 2012 16:07 HazMat wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/pobelter

Meat vs CLG.na scrims. Pobelter playing top irelia and 4-0 vs HotshotnidaleeGG. Straight up outplaying him. But ofc doublelift is doing work.

On November 28 2012 16:06 sharky246 wrote:
Despite all the overinflated ego and negative attitude in clg.na, they have better results than tsm, one of the few teams in na with well-mannered players.

On November 28 2012 16:08 wei2coolman wrote:

So, what you're saying is, it's like every CLG.na game ever played?

On November 28 2012 16:07 Sufficiency wrote:
I am pretty sure jiji is kind of annoyed at his team, but he gets paid so he is staying for the money.

On November 28 2012 16:09 Craton wrote:

He's way too indifferent about drama to be in it just for the money.

On November 28 2012 16:08 wei2coolman wrote:

So, what you're saying is, it's like every CLG.na game ever played?

Uh... I dunno where you came up with this idea... TSM pretty much dominated NA scene all of S2. with CLG mostly grabbing 2nd place, and wasting time in Korea.

On November 28 2012 14:53 cLutZ wrote:
So. I want to run this theory by you guys.

TSM has had, relatively (to other NA teams and frankly even some EU/KR teams, and their normal schedule) little stream time. I have to assume that this means that TSM is pushing hard to accomplish something at IPL5. If that doesn't happen I think we can assume they have peaked as a team and I wouldn't hold my breath on them for any significant S3 events.

Teams like CLG.NA and Curse have had relatively recent lineup changes, they still have a somewhat legit excuse if they don't do well, also judging by their "we stream everything" attitude this is not the peak performance they could be at. But TSM, they really need a strong showing, otherwise it feels like they are done, not literally of course, but in need of some serious soul searching.

On November 28 2012 16:46 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I'm still surprised by the S2 where most of the teams are screaming at each other in team fights, while essentially only the finals teams (azubu and Taipei) actually had the shot caller... calling the shots. It really should be like WoW arena 2's or 3's. Literally no talking except for needed information. When cd's are up, when you need peels, when you're being cc'd etc.

On November 28 2012 16:26 wussleeQ wrote:
I don't get matchmaking lol.

Our team ELO-
1655, 1732, 1816, 1803 and 1784 = 1758 average
Their team ELO-
1787, 1764, 2128, 2228, and 1771 = 1935 average
I'm just a bit curious on how we managed to get matched together

On November 28 2012 16:06 sharky246 wrote:
Despite all the overinflated ego and negative attitude in clg.na, they have better results than tsm, one of the few teams in na with well-mannered players.

On November 28 2012 16:17 Celial wrote:


I think they stream so little because they constantly keep moving because everytime they moved into a new house someone shows their home and ip adress on stream. /troll

Idk man, TSM seems to have more mental issues than mechanical. Last summer when they raped face they were a strong unity, were one of the best teamfighters in the world (remember that epic series with CLG.EU?) and mechanically very sound. Very little mistakes.

Nowadays some of their mechanics are lacking (botlane specifically, Regi still beast with champions he actually practices). Their teamfights look kinda weak. There are really stupid decisions.

I don't want to say that they are bad, lol. Just sometimes when someone on TSM tries to make a play it looks like they tried so hard and fell short inches off the goal. Like when Regi ganks botlane, gets both down to a sliver of health, they are already safe at their turret and TSM decides to dive, gets kited around the turrent and die.
Also, Dyrus really bad at salvaging a lost lane, should learn from his buddy-buddy Wickd.
TOO ganks haven't been that good either, his style (especially Maokai and Nunu) has been figured out, I think.

Edit: But in regard to the S3 thing, with the focus on localized scenes instead of global events I think TSM will provide good entertainment as always. They gonna stomp NA, maybe have some close games with Dig/CLG and roll the newcomers. And that's what eSports is all about. The entertainment value of a team. TSM has that.

On November 28 2012 16:50 Perplex wrote:


or just play some cleave comp instead of RMP and say nothing while zerging random targets and getting glad for free

On November 28 2012 16:53 OutlaW- wrote:
i think she pretty broken to be honest but i cannot support this claim by any evidence, just a feeling

On November 28 2012 15:39 Craton wrote:

Jiji's my favorite player.

Someone not currently on an NA team, most likely. NA has a really bad habit of recycling players instead of finding new talent. I'd sooner have left Chauster as support and replaced Hotshot + Voyboy, but I digress.

There are obviously players worth picking up that exist (e.g. Rhux), teams just need to take the effort to try out new players in scrims instead of just immediately deciding "I'm taking XYZ that I'm friends with, inability at a role or in general notwithstanding." At the very least, if you're going to keep recycling players, keep them in the role they want to be doing. It does nobody any good when they spend most of their time playing a different role / set of champs / begrudging their position.


It was definitely way worse with SV on the team. During that time CLG would often bring up how they preferred playing with Kobe over SV because he was (and still is) laid back.

I don't really know how you fix the CLG argument train with Hotshot having such a dominating role in the team. Ideally you'd have a level-headed coach to sort problems out rationally and calmly, but CLG's so established (egos have grown large) and Hotshot has such a controlling interest that even with a coach you'd have everything still bubbling just under the surface. Even if Hotshot were to quit as player and become the manager he isn't geared toward resolving inter-personal conflicts.

Chauster is a generally smart player, but he's often blunt and has an overgrown need to be right, even when he isn't or the the truth is somewhere in the middle (e.g. when he was laying into Loco about the Oracle situation toward the end of the last scrim). A good coach would help reign that in.

Jiji's a mellow guy.

Doublelift's ego has grown considerably in a relatively short time-frame, further exacerbated now that he's the "leader" of the bot lane. He used to be reigned in a bit by Chauster being the support, but he still made no shortage of inane statements that everyone loved to quote and laugh at on the forums.

Loco's getting into just as many arguments with Doublelift as anyone else on the team, fostered by the atmosphere of arguing, but also because he makes a very large number of misplays (and CLG loves to pick apart misplays in the middle of games, often with arguments on all sides being based on partially inaccurate information).

Hotshot is Hotshot. He does his own thing no matter what, even when it's the wrong decision. Chauster loves to lay into these poor choices and Hotshot loves to argue the plays of the other 4 or dispute that his misplay was the right play.

At the very least, CLG (Hotshot) doesn't seem to have a case of arguing from the position of "I own this team, you do what I say."