EPT[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 231
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 28 2012 14:42 OutlaW- wrote: i really want to defend clg.na here as resident clg.na fan but i just cant man, hotshot sucks fucking dick, doublelift is retarded(thank god his play isn't, at least), loco dies randomly all the time and whenever somebody makes a mistake nobody will back down until said mistake is admitted. its like battle of egos every few minutes. oh well. and chauster's like "god why can't you guys all be as good as me?" | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Craton
United States17275 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
TSM has had, relatively (to other NA teams and frankly even some EU/KR teams, and their normal schedule) little stream time. I have to assume that this means that TSM is pushing hard to accomplish something at IPL5. If that doesn't happen I think we can assume they have peaked as a team and I wouldn't hold my breath on them for any significant S3 events. Teams like CLG.NA and Curse have had relatively recent lineup changes, they still have a somewhat legit excuse if they don't do well, also judging by their "we stream everything" attitude this is not the peak performance they could be at. But TSM, they really need a strong showing, otherwise it feels like they are done, not literally of course, but in need of some serious soul searching. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
Guess a Twitch/Ori combo is low tier ahahahah | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On November 28 2012 14:54 UniversalSnip wrote: craton if you could pick any one dude to put on clg who would it be. i want to know who you hate the least in the world. I know you didn't ask me but... Put TapiocaBall on as CLG.na's support player. Let hilarity ensue. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On November 28 2012 14:48 OutlaW- wrote: yeah. its no rocket science at this point but koreans are so successful because they generally dont have big egos. CLG.na is basically 4 big ''alpha'' egos constantly struggling to show dominance and that the other guy's mistake was bigger than his own, ultimately failing to improve as a team at all. Chauster has been good about this recently, but until they realize that arguing leads to nowhere they will never be a top team in the long term. The only guy I hear making reasonable claims and overall being calm is jiji but he cant really say shit because he knows its gonna cause a shitstorm. I guess this has been talked about a lot already, sorry. im just mad as hell After watching DLift play team 5's now, I find it so funny how true this is. Seems like Jiji is the only voice of reason on that team. Amazing thing is, apparently what im hearing from my friend who got me into League/you guys on this forum that it was even worse back then. How can you enjoy playing with these ppl rofl. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 28 2012 15:31 sung_moon wrote: After watching DLift play team 5's now, I find it so funny how true this is. Seems like Jiji is the only voice of reason on that team. Amazing thing is, apparently what im hearing from my friend who got me into League/you guys on this forum that it was even worse back then. How can you enjoy playing with these ppl rofl. Meh, you guys say jiji is voice of reason, but more so it's voice of "lets not do anything that requires me to move out of mid lane" On November 28 2012 15:37 GhandiEAGLE wrote: CLG.NA is just a stupid team... team FuckHotShotGG is better. At least, it WAS team FuckHotShotGG, until Elementz got benched (which in the end was probably a smart choice). Meh, only redeeming feature of CLG.na now a days are "da plays" highlights that come out by dlift and chauster. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Craton
United States17275 Posts
On November 28 2012 14:54 UniversalSnip wrote: craton if you could pick any one dude to put on clg who would it be. i want to know who you hate the least in the world. Jiji's my favorite player. Someone not currently on an NA team, most likely. NA has a really bad habit of recycling players instead of finding new talent. I'd sooner have left Chauster as support and replaced Hotshot + Voyboy, but I digress. There are obviously players worth picking up that exist (e.g. Rhux), teams just need to take the effort to try out new players in scrims instead of just immediately deciding "I'm taking XYZ that I'm friends with, inability at a role or in general notwithstanding." At the very least, if you're going to keep recycling players, keep them in the role they want to be doing. It does nobody any good when they spend most of their time playing a different role / set of champs / begrudging their position. On November 28 2012 15:31 sung_moon wrote: After watching DLift play team 5's now, I find it so funny how true this is. Seems like Jiji is the only voice of reason on that team. Amazing thing is, apparently what im hearing from my friend who got me into League/you guys on this forum that it was even worse back then. How can you enjoy playing with these ppl rofl. It was definitely way worse with SV on the team. During that time CLG would often bring up how they preferred playing with Kobe over SV because he was (and still is) laid back. I don't really know how you fix the CLG argument train with Hotshot having such a dominating role in the team. Ideally you'd have a level-headed coach to sort problems out rationally and calmly, but CLG's so established (egos have grown large) and Hotshot has such a controlling interest that even with a coach you'd have everything still bubbling just under the surface. Even if Hotshot were to quit as player and become the manager he isn't geared toward resolving inter-personal conflicts. Chauster is a generally smart player, but he's often blunt and has an overgrown need to be right, even when he isn't or the the truth is somewhere in the middle (e.g. when he was laying into Loco about the Oracle situation toward the end of the last scrim). A good coach would help reign that in. Jiji's a mellow guy. Doublelift's ego has grown considerably in a relatively short time-frame, further exacerbated now that he's the "leader" of the bot lane. He used to be reigned in a bit by Chauster being the support, but he still made no shortage of inane statements that everyone loved to quote and laugh at on the forums. Loco's getting into just as many arguments with Doublelift as anyone else on the team, fostered by the atmosphere of arguing, but also because he makes a very large number of misplays (and CLG loves to pick apart misplays in the middle of games, often with arguments on all sides being based on partially inaccurate information). Hotshot is Hotshot. He does his own thing no matter what, even when it's the wrong decision. Chauster loves to lay into these poor choices and Hotshot loves to argue the plays of the other 4 or dispute that his misplay was the right play. At the very least, CLG (Hotshot) doesn't seem to have a case of arguing from the position of "I own this team, you do what I say." | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On November 28 2012 15:33 wei2coolman wrote: Meh, you guys say jiji is voice of reason, but more so it's voice of "lets not do anything that requires me to move out of mid lane" This is not true at all. While his play may have been sub-par in terms of not making enough plays in the past (and honestly, even though he's improved a lot, he's still lacking a little), I've literally never seen him argue about any call just because he didn't want to leave middle. If you have some evidence, then please bring it. I think Nhat would be perfect for CLG right now. Enough self-respect to stand up for himself and smart enough to make good calls. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 28 2012 15:40 OutlaW- wrote: This is not true at all. While his play may have been sub-par in terms of not making enough plays in the past (and honestly, even though he's improved a lot, he's still lacking a little), I've literally never seen him argue about any call just because he didn't want to leave middle. If you have some evidence, then please bring it. I think Nhat would be perfect for CLG right now. I was making fun of his super passive play style. The biggest issue I have with jiji, is he's fairly unresponsive to jungle movements. I mean it's fine that he wants to stay mid all game, but the biggest problem is a)he doesn't out farm enemy mids despite spending so much time mid, or b) he rarely outplays the enemy mid. Staying in lane is fine, if you can be like froggen and farm all fucking day and then beast mode it lategame with superior farm. Or straight up beat up mid lane 1v1. I wouldn't wish the plague that is CLG.na to affect Nhats soul. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
His biggest weak-point IMO right now are his mechanics. He misses way too many creeps and doesn't spend his time too efficiently. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 28 2012 15:45 OutlaW- wrote: When have you made this opinion? I will not say that jiji isn't passive but I think he has improved majorly in the past few weeks. His biggest weak-point IMO right now are his mechanics. He misses way too many creeps and doesn't spend his time too efficiently. It's been plaguing him all of S2. Of course it doesn't help HSGG jungle was so bad, that it ended up fucking up his lane on various occasion. The biggest issue is he's a terrible farmer, even in favorable matchups he only barely wins in cs. I guess the best way to put it, is there's just no jungler interaction between Jiji and HSGG/Chau. I watch plenty of Saint V, and he tries and duo q with Nyjacky as often as possible, and you can see that's been a huge key to their success. They've decided to put Nyjacky in to the farm 1 priority position, and early on in S2 upon the 3 way trade, St. V kept forcing duo q with nyjacky, and what have we seen? MASSIVE improvement in Nyjacky's midlane, along with strong jungle control from St.V because Nyjacky has become very responsive to enemy jungle movements, and St's jungle movement.. I'm not saying this is "ideal" play style with the jungle + mid centric midgame, but it's definitely a style Crs has been working on. I just haven't seen CLG.na even try and work on any player combo outside of scrimming. Even in mid of s2, we saw a lot of TOO and Dyrus duo q. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On November 28 2012 15:40 OutlaW- wrote: This is not true at all. While his play may have been sub-par in terms of not making enough plays in the past (and honestly, even though he's improved a lot, he's still lacking a little), I've literally never seen him argue about any call just because he didn't want to leave middle. If you have some evidence, then please bring it. I think Nhat would be perfect for CLG right now. Enough self-respect to stand up for himself and smart enough to make good calls. Nhat doesn't deserve to sink that low. | ||
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Craton
United States17275 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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