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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On November 12 2012 05:00 travis wrote: ok so im playing at like 1450 elo and other team picks kat and i pick karthus knowing that i can do fine vs kat and will be more value to the team past laning phase i say "just play carefully" rest of team then feeds kat by overextending and she comes down for ganks they blame me for picking karthus because obviously as karthus i can't follow katarina so which is it. is it my fault for picking karthus or is it my teams fault for not playing the game correctly i do kinda feel like the karthus pick is at fault because you couldn't provide enough coverage to the other lanes or punish kat hard enough in lane to prevent her from roaming. i guess the fault is on you cause you had the counter pick and didn't do enough to counter | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On November 12 2012 05:42 Frolossus wrote: i do kinda feel like the karthus pick is at fault because you couldn't provide enough coverage to the other lanes or punish kat hard enough in lane to prevent her from roaming. i guess the fault is on you cause you had the counter pick and didn't do enough to counter this part here is wrong, obviously kat was much more valuable and ended up carrying the game jsut because people tell you karthus scales better doesnt mean its true in every scenario.. karthus is bad against kat anyway | ||
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On November 12 2012 05:39 misirlou wrote: Guys im going to play in a college tournament (first time 5 of us gona play together, just for fun but im quite tryhard player xD) as support and I was wondering what the best addition to my pool is. Currently i play Ali, blitz, janna, morgana, nunu, sona, soraka, taric. I have nidalee which i dont play a lot, and I recently bought leona and im on the process of learning her. Is zyra that good as a support and should i start saving up for and learn her? Any other crucial I am missing? You can add lulu to your list and I wouldn't play nidalee and morgana as support. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
Also if he changed his vocabulary from swears to "real" "bro" "...." he probably wouldn't even be on tribunal lol | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On November 12 2012 05:30 Sufficiency wrote: I am not 100% sure. When Kat roams and you just farm your lane, you are taxing the other lanes (even if they don't die, they have to back off and lose farm while you get more farm against Kat). I am not saying Karthus should chase after Katarina (probably won't end well). But a lot of players have this mentality that "as Iong as I warned my teammate I don't care if my lane opponent roams", which is really annoying. I'd argue that if Kat roams and you can warm your teammates so she doesn't get any kills and ends up just leeching a little xp while you free farm and push mid that it's overall a win for your team. It's like when you troll the enemy jungler when you have a ward and make them think there's a gank opportunity while your jungler steals their buffs. EDIT: Cait Nidalee is a pretty strong lane IMO. Start mana manipulator, use traps for wards and poke down with Q. It's a little fragile, but I enjoy it. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On November 12 2012 06:09 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd argue that if Kat roams and you can warm your teammates so she doesn't get any kills and ends up just leeching a little xp while you free farm and push mid that it's overall a win for your team. It's like when you troll the enemy jungler when you have a ward and make them think there's a gank opportunity while your jungler steals their buffs. What if your bot lane screwed up once already so are behind, and then Kat and their jungler shows up to dive them at tower and kills them so fast that Karth ult doesn't even help? You can't make blanket statements of why a roam will or won't pay off just by pinging and telling your lanes to play safe. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On November 12 2012 06:11 xes wrote: What if your bot lane screwed up once already so are behind, and then Kat and their jungler shows up to dive them at tower and kills them so fast that Karth ult doesn't even help? You can't make blanket statements of why a roam will or won't pay off just by pinging and telling your lanes to play safe. Well then, its not exactly your fault the game is lost if the bot lane messed up. Maybe you could have helped more if you were another champ, but that's a maybe. You could argue that you "force" your bot lane into a 2.5v2 because a smarter Kat would roam bottom, but its the same thing as a kill lane-- don't die and you win. I'm not making a blanket statement at all. The opportunity cost for Kat roaming is at least two waves of creep and experience and some amount of damage to her tower. To make it worth it she better get something nice out of it. That's just simple math. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 12 2012 06:19 ticklishmusic wrote: Well then, its not exactly your fault the game is lost if the bot lane messed up. Maybe you could have helped more if you were another champ, but that's a maybe. You could argue that you "force" your bot lane into a 2.5v2 because a smarter Kat would roam bottom, but its the same thing as a kill lane-- don't die and you win. I'm not making a blanket statement at all. The opportunity cost for Kat roaming is at least two waves of creep and experience and some amount of damage to her tower. To make it worth it she better get something nice out of it. That's just simple math. The thing is the whole "Kat loses a wave of creeps etc," is just a shitty attitude to have. If the kat wins the game while losing waves of creeps it doesn't really matter. You can have 50 cs more than your opposition lane but that laner could help win all the other lanes. I don't really get why people seem to care solely about laning and being "ahead of the other lane" when at the end of the day it's about winning as a team. Your late game power means nothing if you can't actually get to late game. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5712 Posts
On November 11 2012 16:29 OutlaW- wrote: its not a jackass move, its a human move. let me break your bubble; streamers are human and if they arent acting like one its just for show Yes it is jackass move, how can you possibly say it isn't? To purposefully afk in champ select because you don't like your teammates is equivalent to covering your ears and saying NAHNAHNAHNAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU when someone is trying to talk to you. It's completely childish and un-called for from any mature adult and should be shunned upon from this community without thought. That fact that you're defending him is saddening, you didn't awknowledge it was wrong. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On November 12 2012 06:22 Numy wrote: The thing is the whole "Kat loses a wave of creeps etc," is just a shitty attitude to have. If the kat wins the game while losing waves of creeps it doesn't really matter. You can have 50 cs more than your opposition lane but that laner could help win all the other lanes. I don't really get why people seem to care solely about laning and being "ahead of the other lane" when at the end of the day it's about winning as a team. Your late game power means nothing if you can't actually get to late game. It's 'cause you can blame someone else when you screw up something other than laning, duh. (And even laning you can blame your jungler) | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On November 12 2012 06:02 Irave wrote: Yay my second permban case http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/case/5919271/#nogo you're draven/ashe? warranted enjoy ban | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On November 12 2012 06:22 Numy wrote: The thing is the whole "Kat loses a wave of creeps etc," is just a shitty attitude to have. If the kat wins the game while losing waves of creeps it doesn't really matter. You can have 50 cs more than your opposition lane but that laner could help win all the other lanes. I don't really get why people seem to care solely about laning and being "ahead of the other lane" when at the end of the day it's about winning as a team. What I'm trying to understand here is how having an unfed Kat roam bot when your teammates are going more or less even and are fully aware from your ping and their ward coverage is really going to make any sort of difference. Throwing in the enemy jungler for a 4man gank is changing the situation entirely, and you can hardly say its the mid's fault for picking Karthus or some other non-roamer at that point. I main support and I've done a lot of bitching about people not calling MIA. It's annoying, but hey, its soloQ so get over it. Map awareness is ultimately your responsibility as support. A properly placed ward already gives you a lot of time to react to someone coming to gank you, and I treat getting a MIA called as a friendly tip or luxury. In addition, the support should be constantly looking at the minimap to see if someone is missing anyways. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On November 12 2012 06:29 AsnSensation wrote: you're draven/ashe? warranted enjoy ban No, its just a case I got on tribunal. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On November 12 2012 06:22 Numy wrote: The thing is the whole "Kat loses a wave of creeps etc," is just a shitty attitude to have. If the kat wins the game while losing waves of creeps it doesn't really matter. You can have 50 cs more than your opposition lane but that laner could help win all the other lanes. I don't really get why people seem to care solely about laning and being "ahead of the other lane" when at the end of the day it's about winning as a team. Your late game power means nothing if you can't actually get to late game. In addition, 1 kill is about 2 waves anyway. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 12 2012 06:30 ticklishmusic wrote: What I'm trying to understand here is how having an unfed Kat roam bot when your teammates are going more or less even and are fully aware from your ping and their ward coverage is really going to make any sort of difference. Throwing in the enemy jungler for a 4man gank is changing the situation entirely, and you can hardly say its the mid's fault for picking Karthus or some other non-roamer at that point. I main support and I've done a lot of bitching about people not calling MIA. It's annoying, but hey, its soloQ so get over it. Map awareness is ultimately your responsibility as support. A properly placed ward already gives you a lot of time to react to someone coming to gank you, and I treat getting a MIA called as a friendly tip or luxury. In addition, the support should be constantly looking at the minimap to see if someone is missing anyways. It's because you are acting like you always have perfect vision and you always can be perfectly safe if you know. It's entirely possible you don't have perfect vision, you don't know where the enemy jungler is and or mid lane and it's possible even if you do know where they are they can still dive you under turret or it's too late for you to react. If you always play like at any possible moment you can die because the enemy has complete map control while you don't then you will lose anyway. You are also acting like one always has to commit to movement. If a play has already succeeded and then you lose map control the mere threat of movement is often enough to create advantages. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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