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On November 07 2012 06:27 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 05:56 overt wrote:
I'm kind of worried about the item overhaul. I'm sure it'll be wonky at first and get balanced out but I am a little concerned that some of the items that are rarely built will just get removed. Frankly, Tiamat for example may be awful but sometimes it is a hilarious item to build and I'd hate for Riot to just take it out of the game. Honestly I think Tiamat could be easily fixable to be a useful niche item, with some alterations to the cleave. The item is cost-effective for stats, it's just that the cleave is designed in such a way that it's downright worthless. First is that the cleave shape needs to be different. A circular cleave around the target is downright useless when the item specifically is more slated toward melee users because a lot of the cleave AoE will just be on/around the champion model. Even if it had the exact same AoE, a cone shaped cleave that splashes forward from the attack target would be a LOT more usable than the current circular shape. The second is that the AoE just needs to be bigger. You can trade off for a smaller cleave %, but the AoE right now is too small. This isn't even necessarily for its combat effectiveness--part of the ostensible usefulness of an AoE splash item is going to be as a farming/pushing item, and if you can't get the splash to hit multiple creeps if they shift around a bit, you're going to have a rough time using it.
If they did some of those changes to Tiamat I'd be pretty happy. It's already hilarious to build on champions like Fiora but if they made it to where the item's splash was wider and extended forward instead of in a circle I would probably buy it every game.
I dunno, there's so few melees who would care about getting that item that I don't think it could hurt much to increase/improve the AoE on it.
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To clarify the interaction with Fiora's ult and Tiamat, it's essentially the same as Twitch's ult, yes?
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On November 07 2012 08:11 TheHumanSensation wrote:
To clarify the interaction with Fiora's ult and Tiamat, it's essentially the same as Twitch's ult, yes?
Yeah Fiora ult strikes five times and applies on-hits. It hurts a lot if the enemy clumps and you have tiamat but rarely do they clump well enough for tiamat to be worth it so it's still a really troll item.
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Its pretty fun to run Tiamat Fiora with like Ori or Diana in normals.
But its pretty fun to run a lot of things in normals.
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Tiamat Shyv does a lot more damage than tiamat fiora. Vs a clump of 5 champs one shyv dragon Q scales the same as two Fiora ultis. I haven't done the math for new Twitch ultimate but it's similar(ly fun).
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On November 07 2012 08:48 phyvo wrote:
Tiamat Shyv does a lot more damage than tiamat fiora. Vs a clump of 5 champs one shyv dragon Q scales the same as two Fiora ultis. I haven't done the math for new Twitch ultimate but it's similar(ly fun).
TL B once attempted a Tiamat Shyv + Ori combo, way back before Diana's release.
It turned out that Soniv sucked at Orianna, and I sucked at Shyvana.
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On November 07 2012 08:52 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 08:48 phyvo wrote:
Tiamat Shyv does a lot more damage than tiamat fiora. Vs a clump of 5 champs one shyv dragon Q scales the same as two Fiora ultis. I haven't done the math for new Twitch ultimate but it's similar(ly fun). TL B once attempted a Tiamat Shyv + Ori combo, way back before Diana's release. It turned out that Soniv sucked and Orianna, and I sucked at Shyvana.
Tiamat also sucks, so you have a lot of synergy there.
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On November 07 2012 08:52 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 08:48 phyvo wrote:
Tiamat Shyv does a lot more damage than tiamat fiora. Vs a clump of 5 champs one shyv dragon Q scales the same as two Fiora ultis. I haven't done the math for new Twitch ultimate but it's similar(ly fun). TL B once attempted a Tiamat Shyv + Ori combo, way back before Diana's release. It turned out that Soniv sucked and Orianna, and I sucked at Shyvana.
I blame Tap
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ori + shyv + support morg
get that going and its gg
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Voted 12. Nov. because I'm underground as hell, and that's how I roll
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Cratonz team getting pooped on by Aphro.
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On November 07 2012 09:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Cratonz team getting pooped on by Aphro.
Yep. We told Skarner to start red because we knew they were invading, but he went anyway and cost us summoners/potions trying to back him up (and he fell way behind), then our bot lost being overaggressive (this is S.O.P.). The support is also 1600, so there's something like a 1k Elo gap between the bot lane. l0l
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On November 07 2012 09:37 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 09:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Cratonz team getting pooped on by Aphro. Yep. We told Skarner to start red because we knew they were invading, but he went anyway and cost us summoners/potions trying to back him up (and he fell way behind), then our bot lost being overaggressive (this is S.O.P.). The support is also 1600, so there's something like a 1k Elo gap between the bot lane. l0l
I thought some of Sona's decisions seemed questionable.
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What do you guys think of this: http://i.imgur.com/boqQE.jpg
Besides it including Fiddlesticks as a support, I wonder if they just needed to fill a spot to make their chart pretty.
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On November 07 2012 09:37 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 09:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Cratonz team getting pooped on by Aphro. Yep. We told Skarner to start red because we knew they were invading, but he went anyway and cost us summoners/potions trying to back him up (and he fell way behind), then our bot lost being overaggressive (this is S.O.P.). The support is also 1600, so there's something like a 1k Elo gap between the bot lane. l0l
Yeah, Aphro and Muffin were just abusing that poor Sona. 
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On November 07 2012 09:37 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 09:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Cratonz team getting pooped on by Aphro. Yep. We told Skarner to start red because we knew they were invading, but he went anyway and cost us summoners/potions trying to back him up (and he fell way behind), then our bot lost being overaggressive (this is S.O.P.). The support is also 1600, so there's something like a 1k Elo gap between the bot lane. l0l
Textbook Ryze playing.
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On November 07 2012 09:41 Craton wrote:
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I played poorly.
Was just being ironic cause you blamed everyone but you.
Not like you had a chance, not really being a dick, just dickish.
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On November 07 2012 09:39 Ketara wrote:What do you guys think of this: http://i.imgur.com/boqQE.jpgBesides it including Fiddlesticks as a support, I wonder if they just needed to fill a spot to make their chart pretty.
The lack of Supportilus makes me cry.
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EPT
