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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 06 2012 22:59 GMT
#4481
On November 07 2012 06:27 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 05:56 overt wrote:
I'm kind of worried about the item overhaul. I'm sure it'll be wonky at first and get balanced out but I am a little concerned that some of the items that are rarely built will just get removed. Frankly, Tiamat for example may be awful but sometimes it is a hilarious item to build and I'd hate for Riot to just take it out of the game.

Honestly I think Tiamat could be easily fixable to be a useful niche item, with some alterations to the cleave. The item is cost-effective for stats, it's just that the cleave is designed in such a way that it's downright worthless.

First is that the cleave shape needs to be different. A circular cleave around the target is downright useless when the item specifically is more slated toward melee users because a lot of the cleave AoE will just be on/around the champion model. Even if it had the exact same AoE, a cone shaped cleave that splashes forward from the attack target would be a LOT more usable than the current circular shape.

The second is that the AoE just needs to be bigger. You can trade off for a smaller cleave %, but the AoE right now is too small. This isn't even necessarily for its combat effectiveness--part of the ostensible usefulness of an AoE splash item is going to be as a farming/pushing item, and if you can't get the splash to hit multiple creeps if they shift around a bit, you're going to have a rough time using it.


If they did some of those changes to Tiamat I'd be pretty happy. It's already hilarious to build on champions like Fiora but if they made it to where the item's splash was wider and extended forward instead of in a circle I would probably buy it every game.

I dunno, there's so few melees who would care about getting that item that I don't think it could hurt much to increase/improve the AoE on it.
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
November 06 2012 23:11 GMT
#4482
To clarify the interaction with Fiora's ult and Tiamat, it's essentially the same as Twitch's ult, yes?
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 06 2012 23:21 GMT
#4483
On November 07 2012 08:11 TheHumanSensation wrote:
To clarify the interaction with Fiora's ult and Tiamat, it's essentially the same as Twitch's ult, yes?


Yeah Fiora ult strikes five times and applies on-hits. It hurts a lot if the enemy clumps and you have tiamat but rarely do they clump well enough for tiamat to be worth it so it's still a really troll item.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
November 06 2012 23:25 GMT
#4484
Its pretty fun to run Tiamat Fiora with like Ori or Diana in normals.

But its pretty fun to run a lot of things in normals.
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 23:48:46
November 06 2012 23:48 GMT
#4485
Tiamat Shyv does a lot more damage than tiamat fiora. Vs a clump of 5 champs one shyv dragon Q scales the same as two Fiora ultis. I haven't done the math for new Twitch ultimate but it's similar(ly fun).
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 00:05:31
November 06 2012 23:52 GMT
#4486
On November 07 2012 08:48 phyvo wrote:
Tiamat Shyv does a lot more damage than tiamat fiora. Vs a clump of 5 champs one shyv dragon Q scales the same as two Fiora ultis. I haven't done the math for new Twitch ultimate but it's similar(ly fun).


TL B once attempted a Tiamat Shyv + Ori combo, way back before Diana's release.

It turned out that Soniv sucked at Orianna, and I sucked at Shyvana.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
November 06 2012 23:59 GMT
#4487
On November 07 2012 08:52 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 08:48 phyvo wrote:
Tiamat Shyv does a lot more damage than tiamat fiora. Vs a clump of 5 champs one shyv dragon Q scales the same as two Fiora ultis. I haven't done the math for new Twitch ultimate but it's similar(ly fun).


TL B once attempted a Tiamat Shyv + Ori combo, way back before Diana's release.

It turned out that Soniv sucked and Orianna, and I sucked at Shyvana.


Tiamat also sucks, so you have a lot of synergy there.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 07 2012 00:04 GMT
#4488
On November 07 2012 08:52 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 08:48 phyvo wrote:
Tiamat Shyv does a lot more damage than tiamat fiora. Vs a clump of 5 champs one shyv dragon Q scales the same as two Fiora ultis. I haven't done the math for new Twitch ultimate but it's similar(ly fun).


TL B once attempted a Tiamat Shyv + Ori combo, way back before Diana's release.

It turned out that Soniv sucked and Orianna, and I sucked at Shyvana.


I blame Tap
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
November 07 2012 00:09 GMT
#4489
ori + shyv + support morg
get that going and its gg
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 07 2012 00:22 GMT
#4490
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31123891#31123891

Poll: When do you think the S3 patch will be live?

Nov 30th (10)
 
71%

Nov 12th (2)
 
14%

Nov 8th (1)
 
7%

Nov 9th (1)
 
7%

Nov 7th (0)
 
0%

14 total votes

Your vote: When do you think the S3 patch will be live?

(Vote): Nov 7th
(Vote): Nov 8th
(Vote): Nov 9th
(Vote): Nov 12th
(Vote): Nov 30th


https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
November 07 2012 00:31 GMT
#4491
Voted 12. Nov. because I'm underground as hell, and that's how I roll
A backwards poet writes inverse.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
November 07 2012 00:34 GMT
#4492
Cratonz team getting pooped on by Aphro.
Remember Violet.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
November 07 2012 00:37 GMT
#4493
On November 07 2012 09:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Cratonz team getting pooped on by Aphro.

Yep. We told Skarner to start red because we knew they were invading, but he went anyway and cost us summoners/potions trying to back him up (and he fell way behind), then our bot lost being overaggressive (this is S.O.P.). The support is also 1600, so there's something like a 1k Elo gap between the bot lane. l0l
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 07 2012 00:38 GMT
#4494
On November 07 2012 09:37 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 09:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Cratonz team getting pooped on by Aphro.

Yep. We told Skarner to start red because we knew they were invading, but he went anyway and cost us summoners/potions trying to back him up (and he fell way behind), then our bot lost being overaggressive (this is S.O.P.). The support is also 1600, so there's something like a 1k Elo gap between the bot lane. l0l

I thought some of Sona's decisions seemed questionable.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 07 2012 00:39 GMT
#4495
What do you guys think of this: http://i.imgur.com/boqQE.jpg

Besides it including Fiddlesticks as a support, I wonder if they just needed to fill a spot to make their chart pretty.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
November 07 2012 00:39 GMT
#4496
On November 07 2012 09:37 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 09:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Cratonz team getting pooped on by Aphro.

Yep. We told Skarner to start red because we knew they were invading, but he went anyway and cost us summoners/potions trying to back him up (and he fell way behind), then our bot lost being overaggressive (this is S.O.P.). The support is also 1600, so there's something like a 1k Elo gap between the bot lane. l0l


Yeah, Aphro and Muffin were just abusing that poor Sona.
Remember Violet.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 07 2012 00:40 GMT
#4497
On November 07 2012 09:37 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 09:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Cratonz team getting pooped on by Aphro.

Yep. We told Skarner to start red because we knew they were invading, but he went anyway and cost us summoners/potions trying to back him up (and he fell way behind), then our bot lost being overaggressive (this is S.O.P.). The support is also 1600, so there's something like a 1k Elo gap between the bot lane. l0l


Textbook Ryze playing.
Hey! How you doin'?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
November 07 2012 00:41 GMT
#4498
?

I played poorly.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 07 2012 00:42 GMT
#4499
On November 07 2012 09:41 Craton wrote:
?

I played poorly.


Was just being ironic cause you blamed everyone but you.

Not like you had a chance, not really being a dick, just dickish.
Hey! How you doin'?
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
November 07 2012 00:42 GMT
#4500
On November 07 2012 09:39 Ketara wrote:
What do you guys think of this: http://i.imgur.com/boqQE.jpg

Besides it including Fiddlesticks as a support, I wonder if they just needed to fill a spot to make their chart pretty.

The lack of Supportilus makes me cry.
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