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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 07 2012 00:43 GMT
#4501
On November 07 2012 09:39 Ketara wrote:
What do you guys think of this: http://i.imgur.com/boqQE.jpg

Besides it including Fiddlesticks as a support, I wonder if they just needed to fill a spot to make their chart pretty.

Spellsy was the one who came up with the information, I think someone else did the graphics. He's pretty knowledgeable when it comes to supports. Also we don't like support Fiddle? I've seen it work in certain situations.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
November 07 2012 00:43 GMT
#4502
On November 07 2012 09:42 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 09:41 Craton wrote:
?

I played poorly.


Was just being ironic cause you blamed everyone but you.

Not like you had a chance, not really being a dick, just dickish.

I just stated things as they were. Our top won.
twitch.tv/cratonz
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
November 07 2012 00:57 GMT
#4503
Doublelift so good at teaching.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 07 2012 00:58 GMT
#4504
On November 07 2012 09:39 Ketara wrote:
What do you guys think of this: http://i.imgur.com/boqQE.jpg

Besides it including Fiddlesticks as a support, I wonder if they just needed to fill a spot to make their chart pretty.

Fiddles good against some ADs but not good with any of them.
Tribute
Profile Joined September 2010
United States146 Posts
November 07 2012 01:02 GMT
#4505
A surprising lack of Leona in the chart, despite her popularity as a support.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
November 07 2012 01:05 GMT
#4506
Leona doesn't specifically shut down any lanes, but she pretty solidly does the same thing against any lane but a very aware Janna, also her roaming utility and initiation outside of lane is by far the best.
Remember Violet.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 07 2012 01:21 GMT
#4507
I am surprised they don't put Soraka as top 3 with Varus or Sivir.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
November 07 2012 01:26 GMT
#4508
Interesting, but I thought it was commonly accepted that sona was bad against blitz?
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Sunaj
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada2041 Posts
November 07 2012 01:28 GMT
#4509
On November 07 2012 10:26 Louuster wrote:
Interesting, but I thought it was commonly accepted that sona was bad against blitz?


Kinda 50/50, at least in my personal experience *sub 1250 ftl* as Sona, I've either done really really well against Blitz cuz he can't land hooks and I just harass the fuck out of him, or he channels Godhand and nothing I do seems to work :<
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
November 07 2012 01:41 GMT
#4510
On November 07 2012 10:26 Louuster wrote:
Interesting, but I thought it was commonly accepted that sona was bad against blitz?


Not really, one of those "fucked if they took double golems" matchups though.

They hit level 2 with blitz and you're just like "o well guess we're not csing"
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Zizoz
Profile Joined June 2012
United States232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 01:43:58
November 07 2012 01:42 GMT
#4511
It says that Sona is good against Blitz and Blitz is good against Sona.

I main support (mostly Soraka) around 1300 elo. One quibble I have is that always like facing support Alistars as Soraka. I feel like I can pretty consistently silence him if he tries to go in, or just own him with Q in a fight. Of course if I do get caught I'm screwed, but the same is true of other supports (especially Blitz) who are more likely to actually catch me.

Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 07 2012 01:43 GMT
#4512
Wow. Had a Zyra mid in my team. Well he and Morgana farmed to their heart's content, but his pushing power and ability to totally wreck the others team was so huge.
We had Irelia Mundo (me) Zyra MF Nunu
They had Yorick Amumu Morgana Ezreal Leona

Yorick was bad (outfarmed by Irelia while putting the pressure, never really threatening her), I played kinda badly (didn't manage to do a lot, they played smartly against my buff jacking after 2 and their team was better at catching/punishing when we got oracles in the midgame), and Morgana was pretty good at roaming/catching people in the midgame.

But Zyra's damage... we took the drakes very quickly, pushed down towers fast and her plants did the damage to them too, she'd wreck anyone she caught (unless flash+another escape, so Ez/Morgana) and was good enough to use her ult so that she'd hit her main target, and anyone who'd try to counter-initiate/dive us would have to walk in too. Yorick didn't build much MR (manamune sheen FH belt, with I think mercs and the aegis from their team) so she could pretty much 100-0 anyone she wanted but Morg's zhonya.

They messed up because I just stood on the side when Amumu caught someone with bandage toss so I'd dodge the ult and then run to their backline (generally with ult on, that's baaaaad and too early), get popped in less than 7 seconds, but then MF + Irelia had cleaned up everyone but Ezreal and Leona following Zyra's initiation, while I was clearly a 4th position (too much roaming/buff jacking to actually farm, 3 oracles... I had tabi/SV/aegis/wit's, never a true threat, I was useless that game past oracle roaming) but Ez/Yorick focused me down first anyway.

Zyra was so scary. ôo And her ult had less than 60s cd, so even if she messed up, no biggy, we just ward and push too lanes simultaneously till it's back up.
Yeah, I really won't like her. Good thing she was on our side that one.

(And no it's not bragging, I did jack shit that game.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ChoBz
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada836 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 01:46:39
November 07 2012 01:45 GMT
#4513
hehe Aphromoo using 2 blue crit runes on all his AD pages...

If you're tapiocaball, don't pick Sona vs blitz. Otherwise, you die 10x in a row.
ChoBz
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
November 07 2012 01:47 GMT
#4514
On November 07 2012 10:28 Sunaj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 10:26 Louuster wrote:
Interesting, but I thought it was commonly accepted that sona was bad against blitz?


Kinda 50/50, at least in my personal experience *sub 1250 ftl* as Sona, I've either done really really well against Blitz cuz he can't land hooks and I just harass the fuck out of him, or he channels Godhand and nothing I do seems to work :<


The guide is confusing there.
Blitz is good against Sona.
Sona is good against Blitz.
What?

I think Sona is bad because of her slow base movement speed (305) and lack of disengages, i.e. she has a harder time dodging the grab and once she got grabbed, she is dead.
As another example, Zyra has the same problem, once she got grabbed, she can root the opponents as much as she wants, she's already in range of both and - with just 300 base movement speed - until she has boots, she won't dodge any grabs.

However, if the opponent hits all his skillshots to start with, dodging those doesn't matter... but then again, you could probably run any support in that case and win. A blitz that never hits grabs is a 2v1 lane in your favour.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 07 2012 01:55 GMT
#4515
On November 07 2012 10:43 Alaric wrote:
Wow. Had a Zyra mid in my team. Well he and Morgana farmed to their heart's content, but his pushing power and ability to totally wreck the others team was so huge.
We had Irelia Mundo (me) Zyra MF Nunu
They had Yorick Amumu Morgana Ezreal Leona

Yorick was bad (outfarmed by Irelia while putting the pressure, never really threatening her), I played kinda badly (didn't manage to do a lot, they played smartly against my buff jacking after 2 and their team was better at catching/punishing when we got oracles in the midgame), and Morgana was pretty good at roaming/catching people in the midgame.

But Zyra's damage... we took the drakes very quickly, pushed down towers fast and her plants did the damage to them too, she'd wreck anyone she caught (unless flash+another escape, so Ez/Morgana) and was good enough to use her ult so that she'd hit her main target, and anyone who'd try to counter-initiate/dive us would have to walk in too. Yorick didn't build much MR (manamune sheen FH belt, with I think mercs and the aegis from their team) so she could pretty much 100-0 anyone she wanted but Morg's zhonya.

They messed up because I just stood on the side when Amumu caught someone with bandage toss so I'd dodge the ult and then run to their backline (generally with ult on, that's baaaaad and too early), get popped in less than 7 seconds, but then MF + Irelia had cleaned up everyone but Ezreal and Leona following Zyra's initiation, while I was clearly a 4th position (too much roaming/buff jacking to actually farm, 3 oracles... I had tabi/SV/aegis/wit's, never a true threat, I was useless that game past oracle roaming) but Ez/Yorick focused me down first anyway.

Zyra was so scary. ôo And her ult had less than 60s cd, so even if she messed up, no biggy, we just ward and push too lanes simultaneously till it's back up.
Yeah, I really won't like her. Good thing she was on our side that one.

(And no it's not bragging, I did jack shit that game.)


Zyra is like buffed Janna Mid. So much utility + Damage.
Freeeeeeedom
Sunaj
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 02:04:49
November 07 2012 02:00 GMT
#4516
On November 07 2012 10:47 Morfildur wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 07 2012 10:28 Sunaj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 10:26 Louuster wrote:
Interesting, but I thought it was commonly accepted that sona was bad against blitz?


Kinda 50/50, at least in my personal experience *sub 1250 ftl* as Sona, I've either done really really well against Blitz cuz he can't land hooks and I just harass the fuck out of him, or he channels Godhand and nothing I do seems to work :<


The guide is confusing there.
Blitz is good against Sona.
Sona is good against Blitz.
What?

I think Sona is bad because of her slow base movement speed (305) and lack of disengages, i.e. she has a harder time dodging the grab and once she got grabbed, she is dead.
As another example, Zyra has the same problem, once she got grabbed, she can root the opponents as much as she wants, she's already in range of both and - with just 300 base movement speed - until she has boots, she won't dodge any grabs.

However, if the opponent hits all his skillshots to start with, dodging those doesn't matter... but then again, you could probably run any support in that case and win. A blitz that never hits grabs is a 2v1 lane in your favour.


No, it actually makes a lot of sense, if Blitz doesn't land any hooks, Blitz has no sustain to deal with Sona's poke, while you are right the other way, if Sona gets grabbed, she is totally dead in the water, so they do beat each other. *yay run on sentences *


edit* oh man, I'm watching/listening to Loco's stream, I really wanna hope he's the saviour for CLG, but I really think he's in a rough place there :<
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 07 2012 02:02 GMT
#4517
On November 07 2012 10:45 ChoBz wrote:
hehe Aphromoo using 2 blue crit runes on all his AD pages...

yes, one crit rune allows you to unlock the mechanic. every good player knows to do this since two_down discovered it, he is kind of the edison of lol.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 07 2012 02:03 GMT
#4518
On November 07 2012 10:21 Ketara wrote:
I am surprised they don't put Soraka as top 3 with Varus or Sivir.


This is what I thought too. Sivir + Soraka is broken yo.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 07 2012 02:04 GMT
#4519
On November 07 2012 11:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 10:45 ChoBz wrote:
hehe Aphromoo using 2 blue crit runes on all his AD pages...

yes, one crit rune allows you to unlock the mechanic. every good player knows to do this since two_down discovered it, he is kind of the edison of lol.

Not the crit rune discussion again...
liftlift > tsm
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
November 07 2012 02:04 GMT
#4520
The more I listen to DL, the more I'm convinced he's actually retarded.
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