[Patch 1.0.0.150: Shadow Isles] General Discussion - Page…

On November 06 2012 09:48 Alaric wrote:
Olaf is actually pretty weak when behind, and his charging in is kinda similar to Skarner charging in: bait his Shurelya, and he won't be able to do much unless they have externals means or he has flash (ie a long cd summoner). And Skarner's ult has pretty much immediate effect so it's harder to "waste" it (you can because your team didn't manage to burst the target, but if you picked a squishy or something then it isn't your fault).

Olaf is extremely susceptible to slows as he has no gap closers, unless he burns his ult.If you manage to flee anyway (dodge his Q, use a shurelya of your own, etc. then he's toasted, as he lost his defensive steroid and best offensive tool. He requires some way to initiate from his team so that he can force you to deal with him (GP, Ashe, Leona ult, something like that). He also tends to fall off lategame because his sustained damage when built like that (CDR/HP Olaf) is subpar to bruisers like Irelia, Jax or Shen (damaging Shen I mean, not full tank) and against a complete AD build (IE/PD/LW) he won't last long anyway. His burst his also at its highest during levels 9-13, after that it only becomes weaker as you gain HP and armor from levels and both his Q and E are maxed.
Irelia can win lane against Olaf, as can Jax. He has the advantage over them but they're stronger than him and better duelists in the midgame. They can also outtrade his E (the key is going balls out as soon as Olaf exposes himself to use it, then back off before it comes off cd) if you play it well. Those are hard match-ups pre-6 though, and lategame Olaf will beat Irelia because his E does better sustained damage and he can afford to stack HP and use items like randuin's and FH that won't affect him as much as Irelia, or that she won't build (Hiten doesn't fall off as hard but in long fights its 14s cd makes itself felt when compared to Olaf W and E).

I don't think he likes Darius, he hates Jayce, he probably doesn't like Rengar or Udyr either and Teemo, Vlad and Kennen can all snowball out of control for him if he fucks up or gives a kill in lane.


Switching topics, Trundle makes me so, so sad in s2 jungle. If you build utility, it takes awhile to stack cdr till you're near 40% and then you do close to no damage because you only have your W (part of which you use to catch up), 40 AD from Q after the first hit and maybe phage or something to do damage, so you're more of a disruptive and hard-to-kill supporting asset.
If you build damage you die rather easily.
If you build tanky you can take that role really well but apart from the midgame where your -20 AD debuff is annoying, your main things are your ult to melt a tank and your pillar to force fights/disengage so people aren't prone to focus you anyway.
And he's so sloooooooooooow if you don't build wriggles on him. But it puts such a dent into your early cdr itemization.

Trundle's fun and all but it's so hard to make him work, he can't even snowball (whole team did it in the normal games we played, but I). :'( I really hope s3 has good stuff for him in the jungle.

On November 06 2012 10:43 IMoperator wrote:
What should I improve on if my mechanics are already good in order to get higher ELO?

On November 06 2012 11:24 wussleeQ wrote:

Don't do stupid shit (Diving into them for no other reason than you thinking you're stronger than them). I mean unless of course someone on their team is open for an easy kill.

On November 06 2012 11:19 Frolossus wrote:
is it bad to stay at the same badge for more than one season if you consider how elo has inflated + the introduction of diamond this season?

On November 06 2012 11:54 Sufficiency wrote:
tiensi playing Renekton? I am worried.

And wodx is playing Orianna against mancloud's Karthus, lol. He said he hasn't played Ori in a year.

There goes aphro's rank 1. Maybe Xpecial will carry him though...

On November 06 2012 13:28 Highwayman wrote:
Meanwhile Curse looking pretty good with Voyboy in scrims tonight. They seem to have a calm fluid communication going on. But we'll see how it goes when Saint starts raging. He's been pretty mild tonight. Voyboy has been carrying pretty hard so not much to rage at.

On November 06 2012 14:08 HeroHenry wrote:
Dam, was really hoping for season 2 to end tonight so I get the free skin T_T