EPTOn November 02 2012 14:01 nosliw wrote:
Can someone recommend me some other burst-ap mid like Annie?
Can someone recommend me some other burst-ap mid like Annie?
Brand, Leblanc, or gragas.
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Canada381 Posts
Brand, Leblanc, or gragas. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On November 02 2012 14:01 nosliw wrote: Can someone recommend me some other burst-ap mid like Annie? Viktor. Same Ult with Silence instead of stun, much longer range, better at clearing waves, can disengage without blowing damage spells. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On November 02 2012 14:04 iCanada wrote: Viktor. Same Ult with Silence instead of stun, much longer range, better at clearing waves, can disengage without blowing damage spells. Isn't Viktor's greatest strength his obnoxious trading power with his Q? | ||
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Craton
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
play yorick, push opponent to turret with big wave. cast multiple ghouls mid laner tp's in to ghoul as it expires SURPRISE BUTTSECKS | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Gragas, Ahri, Swain | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
He doesn't do exactly like Annie either because a lot of her bursting power comes from the "if Tibbers hits you, the stun will let her QW before you can flash", whereas if Viktor can't kill with ER (or RE) he'll need to get in Q range, or to keep running so his ult can chase and do its AoE. Don't misunderstand, he's very bursty, but his "full burst" isn't something like Annie, Brand or LB do, and the more efficient way to play him is to poke people until RE kill range rather than 100-0 them (which he is perfectly capable of if he can get within 600 range of opponent and farmed well in the midgame). About Kat, she's melee so he can easily Q her when she tries to last hit early on (plus it has shorter cooldown than Q and won't push the wave) and auto her, then when he can instaclear she can't really roam without having her tower threatened, and Viktor is a good (albeit inferior, I'll give you that) roamer himself, so he doesn't mind shoving the wave even before they meet then running and leaving Kat there. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
On November 02 2012 14:09 nyxnyxnyx wrote: okay so apparently yorick ghouls are tp-valid targets, but what i didn't know was that they are invisible and remain valid even after expiration. play yorick, push opponent to turret with big wave. cast multiple ghouls mid laner tp's in to ghoul as it expires SURPRISE BUTTSECKS Lol this is amazing. Imagine this play in a pro game. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
On November 02 2012 14:13 Chrispy wrote: Lol this is amazing. Imagine this play in a pro game. it'll work, at least once. no joke. and this type of kill-under-turret is what snowballs top the hardest. let jungler reveal himself at bot or something and BAM | ||
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UniversalSnip
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On November 02 2012 14:04 iCanada wrote: Viktor. Same Ult with Silence instead of stun, much longer range, better at clearing waves, can disengage without blowing damage spells. wtf it silences | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
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iKill[ShocK]
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I still donno about Viktor being "bursty". I think he needs Rylai's and he is more suitable for a kiting team. Press R -> 15% AOE slow on the entire enemy team for 8.5 seconds. Press W -> AOE slow + stun Press Q -> spammable 35% slow. Press E with augment -> 4.5 seconds 15% AOE slow. and his E can poke. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Then the magic happened. The opposing team tried to baron, which we stopped with 4v5 and traded 3 for 3, while Graves BDed and got an inhibitor turret. Then we came even in another 4v5 teamfight and Graves got an inhibitor. Then we got the second baron and won. No one on my team had positive KDA except me, although I need to add that I played a 900-Elo level Vlad that game and missed all of my CS, lol. But good news. My 27% Sona is no longer on the front page. w00t. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:27 petered wrote: No romance of the three kingdoms skins yet  I WANT LU BU JARVAN. I've actually been playing xin and jarvan lately just so I don't suck with them when those skins come out lol. Lol I too am saving up RP atm just for Lu Bu J4 :3 | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On November 02 2012 15:01 Sufficiency wrote: I still donno about Viktor being "bursty". I think he needs Rylai's and he is more suitable for a kiting team. Press R -> 15% AOE slow on the entire enemy team for 8.5 seconds. Press W -> AOE slow + stun Press Q -> spammable 35% slow. Press E with augment -> 4.5 seconds 15% AOE slow. and his E can poke. Level 13 Viktor with DFQ Combo: Level 5 Q (260+0.6AP)+Level 5 E (325+0.91 AP)+Level 2 R (670+2.23AP)= 1255 + 3.81(AP) Level 13 Annie with DFG: Level 5 Q(245+0.7AP)+Level 5 W(280+0.75AP)+ Level 2 R(325+0.7AP)= 850 + 2.1(AP) Call me crazy, but Viktor is pretty bursty... especially if we using Annie as the comparison. Hell, even if you change out Annie for someone like Zyra (also level 13) he still damn bursty: Level 5 Q (235+0.6AP)+ Level 5 E (200+0,5AP)+ Level 2 R (265+0.7AP) + 2Plant AAs (26+6x13+0.2AP) = 856 + 2.2(AP) Viktor = Bursty. Period. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On November 02 2012 15:27 iCanada wrote: Level 13 Viktor with DFQ Combo: Level 5 Q (260+0.6AP)+Level 5 E (325+0.91 AP)+Level 2 R (670+2.23AP)= 1255 + 3.81(AP) Level 13 Annie with DFG: Level 5 Q(245+0.7AP)+Level 5 W(280+0.75AP)+ Level 2 R(325+0.7AP)= 850 + 2.1(AP) Call me crazy, but Viktor is pretty bursty... especially if we using Annie as the comparison. Hell, even if you change out Annie for someone like Zyra (also level 13) he still damn bursty: Level 5 Q (235+0.6AP)+ Level 5 E (200+0,5AP)+ Level 2 R (265+0.7AP) + 2Plant AAs (26+6x13+0.2AP) = 856 + 2.2(AP) Viktor = Bursty. Period. The problem here is that you calculated Viktor's "burst" with his full duration ultimate. This is unrealistic because the ultimate needs 7 seconds to do the full possible damage. You don't "burst" someone by waiting 7 seconds. Otherwise I say Vladimir is the best burst mage because he can cast (calculated roughly on top of my head) 3 Qs and 3 Es plus an ult in 7 seconds with maximized CDR. That's 230 * 3 + 320 * 3 + 250 = 1900 with 1.8 + 1.35 + 0.7 = 3.85 AP ratio. This didn't even factor in his damage amplification with his R nor his W. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On November 02 2012 15:31 MooMooMugi wrote: For your Viktor R calculations are you using the full duration of the ultimate damage? Yeah, but it auto follows. Even if you use just initial burst he identical to Zyra and annie... But like I said it auto follows. Level 5 Q (260+0.6AP)+Level 5 E (325+0.91 AP)+Level 2 R (250+0.55)= 835+2.06 AP I've never said to myself "Awe damn, if only I didn't get zero ticks of my ultimate off during that fight..." It's the same as counting full ignite damage as burst, once it cast, all that damage going to happen. | ||
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