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On October 22 2012 03:11 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:04 Azarkon wrote:On October 20 2012 08:30 TheYango wrote:On October 20 2012 08:25 Acer1791 wrote:On October 20 2012 08:07 fuzzy_panda wrote:On October 20 2012 07:23 adriftt wrote:
Its funny because myself + all my friends from DOTA/HoN were the same. Talked about how casual LoL was because you couldn't deny creeps ECT. Then we started playing and haven't touched DOTA since. There's a very big difference between something being easy, and something being simple. LoL is incredibly complex at the higher levels and that's why there can be a professional scene. No one would want to watch something that is easy and that they can do themselves. However they WILL watch something that is simple to understand and interpret coz u get the hang of the game really fast, but there is a big difference between well-executed, expert plays compared to average pubs. To me it's like football. simple, but not easy to master. well i dont know about that. i really like lol, but i dont see that lol is incredibly complex at any lvl. there are a few things you have to do better at high lvl of play like time the cooldowns (summoners and ultis) and understand which fight you can actually win, but in relation to both of the starcraft games and dota its kinda easy. the most fun (for me atleast) to watch in the lol proscene is that i have the feeling i know the players better than in sc2 (like tsm, clg na/eu and moscow5). till now there arent koreans/asians stomping EVERYONE. you could argue the season2 finals told a different story, but i think the EU teams were pretty descent and if the NA teams would take lol more seriously, the skillgap would close pretty fast. sry for my bad english, its pretty late here^^ Korea's only formally had LoL for less than a year. Give it another 6 months, the gap is going to be enormous. The gap's never going to become enormous due to the nature of the game, but with all the major corporate sponsors in Korea lining up Kespa-style and the amount of Korean pro teams exceeding the amount of pro teams in all of EU / NA, it's indeed only a matter of time before Koreans gain the upper hand. u mustve missed this recent big tournament
The one that TPA won, in which they stomped the best Korean team to the ground? Not exactly a great indicator for the coming Korean era.
What is a great indicator, though, is the corporate sponsors in Korea switching to LoL, each sponsoring 1-2 teams. The amount of new pro LoL teams that have entered the Korean scene in the last few months is nothing less than a flood. That tells me, above tournament results, that this game is going to have a Korean advantage in the future.
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On October 22 2012 03:14 Azarkon wrote:
The one that TPA won, in which they stomped the best Korean team to the ground? Not exactly a great indicator for the coming Korean era.
Or you can say this: the Koreans didn't lose a series to anyone except for TPA. Both Korean teams 3-0'd their respective groups easily and won their series to everyone that wasn't named TPA.
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United States47024 Posts
You could argue that World's made Korea out to be the strongest region. TPA is an anomaly among Taiwanese team--borne out of the fact that 3 of its 5 players have experience going back all the way to season 1 and beta. The other Taiwanese teams are trash-tier compared to TPA (not just playing against TPA, but they also perform poorly in Chinese/Pan-Asian events as well). By comparison, the top 4 or 5 Korean teams are all of around similar level to one another. Unlike China, Europe, and Taiwan that have a small number of stand-out teams ahead of the pack (WE/IG, CLG.EU/M5, TPA), Korean LoL has a systematically high level of play, which in turn entails much larger potential for growth.
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On October 22 2012 03:26 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:14 Azarkon wrote:
The one that TPA won, in which they stomped the best Korean team to the ground? Not exactly a great indicator for the coming Korean era.
Or you can say this: the Koreans didn't lose a series to anyone except for TPA. Both Korean teams 3-0'd their respective groups easily and won their series to everyone that wasn't named TPA.
That's just the way the brackets played out - by that token, had M5 not met TPA, there's a decent shot that it was them in the grand finals and not Azubu Frost. After all, they performed the best out of all teams against TPA. None of the other teams came near to matching TPA.
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On October 22 2012 03:41 TheYango wrote:
You could argue that World's made Korea out to be the strongest region. TPA is an anomaly among Taiwanese team--borne out of the fact that 3 of its 5 players have experience going back all the way to season 1 and beta. The other Taiwanese teams are trash-tier compared to TPA (not just playing against TPA, but they also perform poorly in Chinese/Pan-Asian events as well). By comparison, the top 4 or 5 Korean teams are all of around similar level to one another. Unlike China, Europe, and Taiwan that have a small number of stand-out teams ahead of the pack (WE/IG, CLG.EU/M5, TPA), Korean LoL has a systematically high level of play, which in turn entails much larger potential for growth.
Having excellent training environments, sponsors, and partners is going to pull Korea ahead of the rest in the coming months. The infrastructure that exists there simply does not exist elsewhere. Imagine Apple, Microsoft, and Boeing having their own LoL teams and training facilities - that's the equivalent of what Korea has.
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Korea has only had this game for ~6-8 months, the rest of the world has had this game for years. Given time, with the sheer amount of resources devoted to esports in Korea, it is inevitable that Koreans will come to dominate the scene.
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tournament success = number of players * time spent playing game/player * sponsorship * tournament accessibility * cultural values/ mentality
koreans got that down. only chinese and taiwan can match them
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United States37500 Posts
Wonder which MVP team he'll be playing for. Does MVP have a distinct A and B team?
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
On October 24 2012 19:32 NeoIllusions wrote:Wonder which MVP team he'll be playing for. Does MVP have a distinct A and B team?
as far as I know not. Only that MVPWhite is better than Blue. But it is possible that he will not play for MVP in LoL.
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On October 24 2012 19:32 NeoIllusions wrote:Wonder which MVP team he'll be playing for. Does MVP have a distinct A and B team?
In the Summer season, Blue was the only one to make it in The Champions but they stoped in the group stages; White has won the NLB (which is like Code A) and Red failed to make it out of the NLB group stage.
White and Blue are constantly in qualifiers, Chinese tournaments, Battle Royal, etc. but Red has been off the radar since NLB.
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On October 20 2012 07:14 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 07:09 TheYango wrote:On October 20 2012 07:06 AsnSensation wrote:
tbh I think the most succesful people on the League scene with a starcraft background right now are Nal-ra, Reach and Yellow lol
Pretty sure among the current top korean teams there is no ex sc player, might change in the future though if more switch over and as a former slayers fan I hope Coca and Puzzle will be decently succesful. Tazza wtf TIL
This is no relation to the BW Forum poster, yes?
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
On October 24 2012 19:49 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 19:32 NeoIllusions wrote:Wonder which MVP team he'll be playing for. Does MVP have a distinct A and B team? In the Summer season, Blue was the only one to make it in The Champions but they stoped in the group stages; White has won the NLB (which is like Code A) and Red failed to make it out of the NLB group stage. White and Blue are constantly in qualifiers, Chinese tournaments, Battle Royal, etc. but Red has been off the radar since NLB.
Red is disbanded. KT got some remaining MVP Red players if I recall correctly.
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By the way, here's the OGN Winter season qualifier schedule for this week:
October 24, 19:30 KST
![[image loading]](http://leaguepedia.com/images/3/36/Kr.png) NaJin Shield vs PSW Ares
October 25, 16:00 KST
CJ Entus vs NaB
MVP White vs BBT
October 26, 19:30 KST
KT Rolster B vs Call
October 27, 12:00 KST
KT Rolster A vs LEO Rock
October 28, 12:00 KST
GSG vs Guts
MVP Blue vs Team Dry
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nicegametv
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^ Thanks.
Games seem to be bo5.
Would warrant its own thread imo.
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This game between Najin shield and Ares.
Ares farming kills, shield's nidalee farming towers. 37 minutes into the game: kills are 12:2 in favor of Ares while Najin killed 7 towers (lost two) and has the gold advantage.
Nidalee running around the map, splitpushing and always escaping the 5 man ganks. Najin succesfully defending towers and Baron 4v5 all the time.
Is Expression known to be an exceptional player?
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I'm really glad that at least if LoL is going to blow up globally, that korea will be leading the charge. Up to this point, I have been extremely turned off by the immaturity and unprofessional demeanor of the professional LoL players in the western world. The Korean esports machine and organizations will really step things up and force the other regions to be more serious and act more mature. ( hopefully we will never see a ARAM game in a major tournament final ever again for just one example). This in turn might bring the LoL community to be a little more behaved..probably wont get to the level of discourse in the sc community but at least it will improve over the likes of CoD/Xbox live level.
However, if you are one of those foreigner vs korean people(I am not), there is definitely reason to worry about the future of western teams, because you can be sure the Asians are going to be scarier and scarier the more time they are playing and organizing!
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On October 24 2012 22:33 Irre wrote:
I'm really glad that at least if LoL is going to blow up globally, that korea will be leading the charge. Up to this point, I have been extremely turned off by the immaturity and unprofessional demeanor of the professional LoL players in the western world. The Korean esports machine and organizations will really step things up and force the other regions to be more serious and act more mature. ( hopefully we will never see a ARAM game in a major tournament final ever again for just one example). This in turn might bring the LoL community to be a little more behaved..probably wont get to the level of discourse in the sc community but at least it will improve over the likes of CoD/Xbox live level.
However, if you are one of those foreigner vs korean people(I am not), there is definitely reason to worry about the future of western teams, because you can be sure the Asians are going to be scarier and scarier the more time they are playing and organizing!
Yea we'll see if the western teams can pull their shit together this time around and keep up with the Koreans. Judging by how things look, I highly doubt it. 5 guys in a frat house is not going to cut it. It's just going to be EG all over again.
And that ARAM game at MLG was an embarrassment. Whats even worse was that /r/lol actually defended it. It's that kind of immaturity that makes me want the Koreans dominate even more.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
On October 24 2012 21:21 Redox wrote:
^ Thanks.
Games seem to be bo5.
Would warrant its own thread imo.
I did not make one because the games are only qualifiers and the real season starts at 9th november. Second reason is that the games always have a clear favorite. I expect them to be like 3:0 everytime :/
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Doa and MonteCristo will cast OGN The Champions.
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EPT
