So here it begins..... I am part of the influence of current LoL boom bandwagon that is happening in Korea. (I don't live in Korea tho :/ ) The Korean server of LoL launched slightly less than 1 year now. There is a huge community of people who play LoL, It is the most played game in Korea. This is noticable if you go to "PC bang", you will see group of 5 friends playing LoL, from middle school to university students. It's safe to say that this is just as big as Starcraft:BW was since the whole gaming network is covering and trying to make this the mainstream.
Example, OGN which is the korea's biggest gaming network that has hosted tournaments and televised SC:BW games for a decade before it switched to LoL. This network is on full force to make LoL the next SC:BW.
It doesn't shock me that some of current pros playing SC2 are transitioning to LoL. (Go read Slayers shinenigaz in the SC2 main forum) This game is fun and not lonely to play.
I am happy this game is getting big in Korea. There was literally no game that was catching Korea's long lost e-sport SC:BW nostalgia. I am pleased that korea is once rejuvanized by LoL.
To be honest, I always thought LoL was a bad game and chidish and lacked skills. This is because I was a Dota player for a long time. However, after trying the game for a day and getting used to the differences, this game is super fun and competitive.
I won't go into LoL vs Dota but, as of now, Koreans are joining LoL and I am one of them. The community base in Korea is growing more and more as people pick up and spread through word of mouth (Korea is a small country you know !)
Pretty much everything you said here I completely agree with, from the Korean LoL BOOM, to my satisfaction of it replacing BW as the next big esport (instead of SC2), and how just like you, I was once a DotA maniac who thought LoL was just a dumbed down noober-version of DotA, and was proven very wrong after a bit of trying it out.
I haven't followed any gaming event in the past years like I use to in BW, until I started watching the OGN The Champions and the World Finals.
LoL is a good example of accessibility done right - much like UMvC3, which let terrible players feel like they're in control through a much easier combo system. And like Marvel, the easier system hides exquisitely deep gameplay at high levels. Pretty easy to see LoL as a noob game (or to see UMvC3 as a noob successor to Marvel 2), but when you really play both games, you find out quickly how wrong that perspective is.
Also GOM TV will have their first LoL broadcast soon as they are hosting the Korean IPL 5 qualifier and they just opened a LoL section on their website.
This thread hurts me to see, but it's correct; SC2 is a huge step backwards. The lack of support interface-wise killed it versus the awesome job Riot did.
I didn't even play BW, but I can see the insane awesomeness that it once was, and I wish I had the chance to really get into it.
On October 18 2012 04:11 reikai wrote: This thread hurts me to see, but it's correct; SC2 is a huge step backwards. The lack of support interface-wise killed it versus the awesome job Riot did.
I didn't even play BW, but I can see the insane awesomeness that it once was, and I wish I had the chance to really get into it.
GG SC2?
No one sensible in this subforum would predict or even hope that SC2 would falter. For now, the movement of 3 ex-SC2 players from a defunct team indicates nothing about how HotS will pan out.
What the cold, hard truth is, is that Blizzard needs to pick things up. Not even from an eSports perspective (what is very important to most of us at TL) but the basics like interface, networking, and reliability.
Great to hear you are liking LoL :D. Just curious, how much does an hour of gaming cost in ''Pc bangs''? I ask this becouse here we do have something similar and an hour is about 1.50 $ and 5.5$ for 6 hours.
It's so great, LoL is fucking great and the scene has some huge possibilities as an e-sport. It's also the only game where non koreans could become serious contenders and maybe build a really international competitive scene.
But there is something that is getting boring. It's sad and ridiculous to see LoL players in the SC2 general trying to argue that LOL is better than SC2. I don't understand why people feel the urge to make it seems like the game they play is "the" better game. I'm glad LoL is getting bigger and bigger, but let's not start getting cocky please. There is enough place for various games in the e sport familly.
On October 18 2012 04:18 VoidMaster wrote: Great to hear you are liking LoL :D. Just curious, how much does an hour of gaming cost in ''Pc bangs''? I ask this becouse here we do have something similar and an hour is about 1.50 $ and 5.5$ for 6 hours.
pc bang is like $1 /hr and cheaper if you buy bulk hour in your pc bang card. but srsly, it doesnt matter its so cheap. anyoen can afford it in korea, since its so accesible lol. these pc bangs make money from drinks/cup noodles and various snacks.
On October 18 2012 04:36 GoShox wrote: We had something like a PC bang open up here where I live at in America, but it costs $5 per hour. It's a neat place but it just adds up over time.
Really excited for the future of LoL
"pc bang" in America just doesn't work, lol. The pricing is not exactly appealing to gamers. I'd much rather setup a LAN at a friend's place, etc.
On October 18 2012 04:11 reikai wrote: This thread hurts me to see, but it's correct; SC2 is a huge step backwards. The lack of support interface-wise killed it versus the awesome job Riot did.
I didn't even play BW, but I can see the insane awesomeness that it once was, and I wish I had the chance to really get into it.
GG SC2?
No one sensible in this subforum would predict or even hope that SC2 would falter. For now, the movement of 3 ex-SC2 players from a defunct team indicates nothing about how HotS will pan out.
What the cold, hard truth is, is that Blizzard needs to pick things up. Not even from an eSports perspective (what is very important to most of us at TL) but the basics like interface, networking, and reliability.
Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
On October 18 2012 04:36 GoShox wrote: We had something like a PC bang open up here where I live at in America, but it costs $5 per hour. It's a neat place but it just adds up over time.
Really excited for the future of LoL
"pc bang" in America just doesn't work, lol. The pricing is not exactly appealing to gamers. I'd much rather setup a LAN at a friend's place, etc.
It's funny how we refer to them as LANs still just for the heck of it heh
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
what seriously? Man... is there some coverage of the korean scene?
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
what seriously? Man... is there some coverage of the korean scene?
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
what seriously? Man... is there some coverage of the korean scene?
CJ played in the OGN Summer tournament but didn't make it out of their ro16 groups. KT recently announced 2 teams about a week ago.
On October 18 2012 04:36 GoShox wrote: We had something like a PC bang open up here where I live at in America, but it costs $5 per hour. It's a neat place but it just adds up over time.
Really excited for the future of LoL
"pc bang" in America just doesn't work, lol. The pricing is not exactly appealing to gamers. I'd much rather setup a LAN at a friend's place, etc.
It's funny how we refer to them as LANs still just for the heck of it heh
Technically, it is a LAN. We'd all have to log into PvP.net obviously since there is no LAN client.
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
what seriously? Man... is there some coverage of the korean scene?
On October 18 2012 04:18 VoidMaster wrote: Great to hear you are liking LoL :D. Just curious, how much does an hour of gaming cost in ''Pc bangs''? I ask this becouse here we do have something similar and an hour is about 1.50 $ and 5.5$ for 6 hours.
pc bang is like $1 /hr and cheaper if you buy bulk hour in your pc bang card. but srsly, it doesnt matter its so cheap. anyoen can afford it in korea, since its so accesible lol. these pc bangs make money from drinks/cup noodles and various snacks.
Well that would explain how LoL became so popular. Being a free game (ok i spent like 200$ for skins), having friends play it, a big tournament like S2 finals breaking records, and on top of that the service pc bangs provide there, I'm really excited to see how big it can actualy become.
On October 18 2012 04:18 VoidMaster wrote: Great to hear you are liking LoL :D. Just curious, how much does an hour of gaming cost in ''Pc bangs''? I ask this becouse here we do have something similar and an hour is about 1.50 $ and 5.5$ for 6 hours.
pc bang is like $1 /hr and cheaper if you buy bulk hour in your pc bang card. but srsly, it doesnt matter its so cheap. anyoen can afford it in korea, since its so accesible lol. these pc bangs make money from drinks/cup noodles and various snacks.
Well that would explain how LoL became so popular. Being a free game (ok i spent like 200$ for skins), having friends play it, a big tournament like S2 finals breaking records, and on top of that the service pc bangs provide there, I'm really excited to see how big it can actualy become.
Korea LoL also has a slightly different model when compared to the western servers. There's some sort of promo if you play in PC bangs that can help you get skins easier or something iirc.
On October 18 2012 04:18 VoidMaster wrote: Great to hear you are liking LoL :D. Just curious, how much does an hour of gaming cost in ''Pc bangs''? I ask this becouse here we do have something similar and an hour is about 1.50 $ and 5.5$ for 6 hours.
pc bang is like $1 /hr and cheaper if you buy bulk hour in your pc bang card. but srsly, it doesnt matter its so cheap. anyoen can afford it in korea, since its so accesible lol. these pc bangs make money from drinks/cup noodles and various snacks.
Well that would explain how LoL became so popular. Being a free game (ok i spent like 200$ for skins), having friends play it, a big tournament like S2 finals breaking records, and on top of that the service pc bangs provide there, I'm really excited to see how big it can actualy become.
Korea LoL also has a slightly different model when compared to the western servers. There's some sort of promo if you play in PC bangs that can help you get skins easier or something iirc.
i know logging in from a pc bang gets you a level 30 account with all champs dunno about skins and rp though
Right, that's what it was. I knew it was easier for them to get access to something but forgot whether it was champ or skin unlocks.
On October 18 2012 04:18 VoidMaster wrote: Great to hear you are liking LoL :D. Just curious, how much does an hour of gaming cost in ''Pc bangs''? I ask this becouse here we do have something similar and an hour is about 1.50 $ and 5.5$ for 6 hours.
pc bang is like $1 /hr and cheaper if you buy bulk hour in your pc bang card. but srsly, it doesnt matter its so cheap. anyoen can afford it in korea, since its so accesible lol. these pc bangs make money from drinks/cup noodles and various snacks.
Well that would explain how LoL became so popular. Being a free game (ok i spent like 200$ for skins), having friends play it, a big tournament like S2 finals breaking records, and on top of that the service pc bangs provide there, I'm really excited to see how big it can actualy become.
Korea LoL also has a slightly different model when compared to the western servers. There's some sort of promo if you play in PC bangs that can help you get skins easier or something iirc.
i know logging in from a pc bang gets you a level 30 account with all champs dunno about skins and rp though
can u shed light on why LoL is taking over korea rather than dota? I never played dota so I wouldn't know. Maybe get alil into dota2 vs LoL in terms of spectator-ship and competitiveness.
On October 18 2012 05:17 Mystic_Starcraft wrote: can u shed light on why LoL is taking over korea rather than dota? I never played dota so I wouldn't know. Maybe get alil into dota2 vs LoL in terms of spectator-ship and competitiveness.
DotA not that big in Korea historically, much bigger in China.
LoL was in the right place at the right time to become the next big thing in Korea, with the big void in E-sports left by the fall of BW, that SC2 was simply inadequate to fill. At the relevant time, DotA 2 wasn't (and still isn't) close enough to being a finished product. It also wasn't marketed that much/at all in Korea to my knowledge.
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
what seriously? Man... is there some coverage of the korean scene?
Its hard to follow korean scene if you are not korean since they are all in korea. (www.inven.co.kr) But, in the future as there are more international events and more korean teams rise to the top, things will be easier to follow. But yea, there are many korean teams forming atm. Startale recently just formed 2 teams. Team red and team blue, just like azubu blaze and azubu frost. so 10 people under the same roof.
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
what seriously? Man... is there some coverage of the korean scene?
Its hard to follow korean scene if you are not korean since they are all in korea. (www.inven.co.kr) But, in the future as there are more international events and more korean teams rise to the top, things will be easier to follow. But yea, there are many korean teams forming atm. Startale recently just formed 2 teams. Team red and team blue, just like azubu blaze and azubu frost. so 10 people under the same roof.
Hm interesting, so the Gom teams pick up LoL as well, nice. I wonder why teamliquid doesnt provide content for LoL the same way as they do for dota2. I bet there are a lot of people here who would help creating the content. neo whats up wioth that? LoL getting picked up by tl some time in the future?
On October 18 2012 05:17 Mystic_Starcraft wrote: can u shed light on why LoL is taking over korea rather than dota? I never played dota so I wouldn't know. Maybe get alil into dota2 vs LoL in terms of spectator-ship and competitiveness.
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
what seriously? Man... is there some coverage of the korean scene?
Its hard to follow korean scene if you are not korean since they are all in korea. (www.inven.co.kr) But, in the future as there are more international events and more korean teams rise to the top, things will be easier to follow. But yea, there are many korean teams forming atm. Startale recently just formed 2 teams. Team red and team blue, just like azubu blaze and azubu frost. so 10 people under the same roof.
Hm interesting, so the Gom teams pick up LoL as well, nice. I wonder why teamliquid doesnt provide content for LoL the same way as they do for dota2. I bet there are a lot of people here who would help creating the content. neo whats up wioth that? LoL getting picked up by tl some time in the future?
Lack of man power for the most part. Our staff is composed of 5 users. We're working on getting our Worlds Review out by this weekend.
And there's no talk about LoL getting picked up by TL any time soon. The Reds prefer DotA2 over LoL and they slowly getting into gear with official coverage of DotA2.
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
what seriously? Man... is there some coverage of the korean scene?
Its hard to follow korean scene if you are not korean since they are all in korea. (www.inven.co.kr) But, in the future as there are more international events and more korean teams rise to the top, things will be easier to follow. But yea, there are many korean teams forming atm. Startale recently just formed 2 teams. Team red and team blue, just like azubu blaze and azubu frost. so 10 people under the same roof.
Hm interesting, so the Gom teams pick up LoL as well, nice. I wonder why teamliquid doesnt provide content for LoL the same way as they do for dota2. I bet there are a lot of people here who would help creating the content. neo whats up wioth that? LoL getting picked up by tl some time in the future?
Lack of man power for the most part. Our staff is composed of 5 users. We're working on getting our Worlds Review out by this weekend.
And there's no talk about LoL getting picked up by TL any time soon. The Reds prefer DotA2 over LoL and they slowly getting into gear with official coverage of DotA2.
Don't overwork yourselves! We know it's coming soon, and it's gonna kick ass.
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
what seriously? Man... is there some coverage of the korean scene?
Its hard to follow korean scene if you are not korean since they are all in korea. (www.inven.co.kr) But, in the future as there are more international events and more korean teams rise to the top, things will be easier to follow. But yea, there are many korean teams forming atm. Startale recently just formed 2 teams. Team red and team blue, just like azubu blaze and azubu frost. so 10 people under the same roof.
Hm interesting, so the Gom teams pick up LoL as well, nice. I wonder why teamliquid doesnt provide content for LoL the same way as they do for dota2. I bet there are a lot of people here who would help creating the content. neo whats up wioth that? LoL getting picked up by tl some time in the future?
Lack of man power for the most part. Our staff is composed of 5 users. We're working on getting our Worlds Review out by this weekend.
And there's no talk about LoL getting picked up by TL any time soon. The Reds prefer DotA2 over LoL and they slowly getting into gear with official coverage of DotA2.
i was going to say i think the people that run tl prefer dota2, but as the koreans in the first few posts of this thread mentioned, once you actually try LoL you realize there is a good game there. good to have you guys also.
there is a reason LoL has become the dominant force in pc games. everytime im like eh i think i might be done playing lol they get me back with some insanely smart decision. like i love jungling, but the way junglers currently work doesnt appeal to me. lo and behold i see they are remaking the jungle again for season 3 and adding new items for junglers. aight, im back. the constant balance tweaks also are very welcome. i mean blizzards glacially slow patch process is mind-boggling.
tl will eventually have a more dedicated LoL news and review section, i have no doubt of that. i bet that we wont have to scramble to get the season 3 championships stream added to the list on the right. and the way the season 3 regular season is going to play out is seriously AWESOME. i cant wait.
we think LoL is big now, i think it is just beginning.
On October 18 2012 05:41 Lysteria wrote: It's sad, as it could help a lot with korean scene review to have TL focused on LoL as well.
We aim to have a better international coverage in S3, I promise. TheYango was brought on specially for his insight on the Chinese scene. Chexx and Vlani help out a ton with their consistent new postings about the Korean scene.
If there's anything we, as a subforum, can improve upon, it's to move away from the NA centric view of LoL.
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
what seriously? Man... is there some coverage of the korean scene?
Its hard to follow korean scene if you are not korean since they are all in korea. (www.inven.co.kr) But, in the future as there are more international events and more korean teams rise to the top, things will be easier to follow. But yea, there are many korean teams forming atm. Startale recently just formed 2 teams. Team red and team blue, just like azubu blaze and azubu frost. so 10 people under the same roof.
Hm interesting, so the Gom teams pick up LoL as well, nice. I wonder why teamliquid doesnt provide content for LoL the same way as they do for dota2. I bet there are a lot of people here who would help creating the content. neo whats up wioth that? LoL getting picked up by tl some time in the future?
Lack of man power for the most part. Our staff is composed of 5 users. We're working on getting our Worlds Review out by this weekend.
And there's no talk about LoL getting picked up by TL any time soon. The Reds prefer DotA2 over LoL and they slowly getting into gear with official coverage of DotA2.
i was going to say i think the people that run tl prefer dota2, but as the koreans in the first few posts of this thread mentioned, once you actually try LoL you realize there is a good game there. good to have you guys also.
there is a reason LoL has become the dominant force in pc games. everytime im like eh i think i might be done playing lol they get me back with some insanely smart decision. like i love jungling, but the way junglers currently work doesnt appeal to me. lo and behold i see they are remaking the jungle again for season 3 and adding new items for junglers. aight, im back. the constant balance tweaks also are very welcome. i mean blizzards glacially slow patch process is mind-boggling.
tl will eventually have a more dedicated LoL news and review section, i have no doubt of that. i bet that we wont have to scramble to get the season 3 championships stream added to the list on the right. and the way the season 3 regular season is going to play out is seriously AWESOME. i cant wait.
we think LoL is big now, i think it is just beginning.
lol... the stream update on the right is my fault. I'm the only one on LoL staff that has access and I'm a tad slow in remember to update the calendar. :3 I'll get better at it!
On October 18 2012 05:41 Lysteria wrote: It's sad, as it could help a lot with korean scene review to have TL focused on LoL as well.
We aim to have a better international coverage in S3, I promise. TheYango was brought on specially for his insight on the Chinese scene. Chexx and Vlani help out a ton with their consistent new postings about the Korean scene.
If there's anything we, as a subforum, can improve upon, it's to move away from the NA centric view of LoL.
I think LoL deserves its own sub forum like Dota ! There is just so many things going on to post under LoL General.
Dota 2 is great game, no doubt about it. but unfortunately it's still in beta and I don't think theres much exciting things going on. international was one of the craziest tournament so far tho. DENDIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
On October 18 2012 05:41 Lysteria wrote: It's sad, as it could help a lot with korean scene review to have TL focused on LoL as well.
We aim to have a better international coverage in S3, I promise. TheYango was brought on specially for his insight on the Chinese scene. Chexx and Vlani help out a ton with their consistent new postings about the Korean scene.
If there's anything we, as a subforum, can improve upon, it's to move away from the NA centric view of LoL.
I think LoL deserves its own sub forum like Dota ! There is just so many things going on to post under LoL General.
Dota 2 is great game, no doubt about it. but unfortunately it's still in beta and I don't think theres much exciting things going on. international was one of the craziest tournament so far tho. DENDIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
I actually like how the LoL subforum is run but maybe it's just because I'm so used to it. We do try to keep all champion discussion to their "guide" threads and there are a few newcomer threads here and there. Otherwise everything else can fit into GD, but it never gets too crazy since we separate it by patch. The main advantage the Dota 2 section has over us is the ease for finding tournament or strategy threads in their own subforum but I think we're working on something to help with that. Coming Soon (tm)
On October 18 2012 05:52 tylervoss4 wrote: I think LoL deserves its own sub forum like Dota ! There is just so many things going on to post under LoL General.
Dota 2 is great game, no doubt about it. but unfortunately it's still in beta and I don't think theres much exciting things going on. international was one of the craziest tournament so far tho. DENDIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
To be honest, I think the LoL subforum benefited from some of the bad posters migrating to the DotA 2 forum (Neo knows who I'm talking about). I wouldn't want our LoL forum to get too big and have those kinds of posters come back.
On October 18 2012 05:52 tylervoss4 wrote: I think LoL deserves its own sub forum like Dota ! There is just so many things going on to post under LoL General.
Dota 2 is great game, no doubt about it. but unfortunately it's still in beta and I don't think theres much exciting things going on. international was one of the craziest tournament so far tho. DENDIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
To be honest, I think the LoL subforum benefited from some of the bad posters migrating to the DotA 2 forum (Neo knows who I'm talking about). I wouldn't want our LoL forum to get too big and have those kinds of posters come back.
The forum population arguably gets bigger with every major tourney and LR thread, though I can honestly say it's real good that there's still a visible minority of 100-200 recognizable posters to...(I don't want to say 'drown out' but I can't think of a better way to say it) the newbies and lurkers. Not that we don't welcome them or anything, but I think the subforum personalities are a good thing for us.
On October 18 2012 05:52 tylervoss4 wrote: I think LoL deserves its own sub forum like Dota ! There is just so many things going on to post under LoL General.
Dota 2 is great game, no doubt about it. but unfortunately it's still in beta and I don't think theres much exciting things going on. international was one of the craziest tournament so far tho. DENDIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
To be honest, I think the LoL subforum benefited from some of the bad posters migrating to the DotA 2 forum (Neo knows who I'm talking about). I wouldn't want our LoL forum to get too big and have those kinds of posters come back.
The forum population arguably gets bigger with every major tourney and LR thread, though I can honestly say it's real good that there's still a visible minority of 100-200 recognizable posters to...(I don't want to say 'drown out' but I can't think of a better way to say it) the newbies and lurkers. Not that we don't welcome them or anything, but I think the subforum personalities are a good thing for us.
Can you recognize me?
On topic: yes, LoL is huge in korea, and as long as a long-term plan is in place, it will only get bigger.
On October 18 2012 07:25 jalstar wrote: LoL has a stigma of being "for newbs" among some gamers in NA/EU, in Korea SC2 has that stigma.
Just an observation.
Hahaha, seriously? That's awesome.
I remember reading some awesome post way back by some dude (Smashgizmo maybe LOL sorry) I can't remember. Anyways to summarize it said the cool thing about LoL esports is that it has a certain kind of longevity that games like Brood War/SC2/WC3 can't have. Every two weeks LoL becomes almost a new game (okay bit of an exaggeration) but he compared it to Magic the gathering, where new content is constantly flooding in and keeping the game fresh.
On October 18 2012 04:11 reikai wrote: This thread hurts me to see, but it's correct; SC2 is a huge step backwards. The lack of support interface-wise killed it versus the awesome job Riot did.
I didn't even play BW, but I can see the insane awesomeness that it once was, and I wish I had the chance to really get into it.
GG SC2?
No one sensible in this subforum would predict or even hope that SC2 would falter. For now, the movement of 3 ex-SC2 players from a defunct team indicates nothing about how HotS will pan out.
What the cold, hard truth is, is that Blizzard needs to pick things up. Not even from an eSports perspective (what is very important to most of us at TL) but the basics like interface, networking, and reliability.
I'm sure they will.
Look at WCS Europe and their recent attitude on their forums.
The times at Blizz for SC2 are changing.
I hope it gets better. As it is now, I'm a little burnt out on SC2 and taking a small break to learn LoL (it is my thesis game after all).
Jungle Warwick with tanky build is pretty broken at low level if the team communicates. Or should I say team communication is broken at low level XD
On October 18 2012 04:11 reikai wrote: This thread hurts me to see, but it's correct; SC2 is a huge step backwards. The lack of support interface-wise killed it versus the awesome job Riot did.
I didn't even play BW, but I can see the insane awesomeness that it once was, and I wish I had the chance to really get into it.
GG SC2?
No one sensible in this subforum would predict or even hope that SC2 would falter. For now, the movement of 3 ex-SC2 players from a defunct team indicates nothing about how HotS will pan out.
What the cold, hard truth is, is that Blizzard needs to pick things up. Not even from an eSports perspective (what is very important to most of us at TL) but the basics like interface, networking, and reliability.
I'm sure they will.
Look at WCS Europe and their recent attitude on their forums.
The times at Blizz for SC2 are changing.
I hope it gets better. As it is now, I'm a little burnt out on SC2 and taking a small break to learn LoL (it is my thesis game after all).
Jungle Warwick with tanky build is pretty broken at low level if the team communicates. Or should I say team communication is broken at low level XD
Blizzard is slowly doing some things but there might be some setbacks with the departure of their esports boss. I'm sure the WCS World Finals was being prepared even before he left but now we have to wonder how things will go after that.
On October 18 2012 07:25 jalstar wrote: LoL has a stigma of being "for newbs" among some gamers in NA/EU, in Korea SC2 has that stigma.
Just an observation.
Hahaha, seriously? That's awesome.
I remember reading some awesome post way back by some dude (Smashgizmo maybe LOL sorry) I can't remember. Anyways to summarize it said the cool thing about LoL esports is that it has a certain kind of longevity that games like Brood War/SC2/WC3 can't have. Every two weeks LoL becomes almost a new game (okay bit of an exaggeration) but he compared it to Magic the gathering, where new content is constantly flooding in and keeping the game fresh.
I think Carmac is the name you're looking for there.
On October 18 2012 04:11 reikai wrote: This thread hurts me to see, but it's correct; SC2 is a huge step backwards. The lack of support interface-wise killed it versus the awesome job Riot did.
I didn't even play BW, but I can see the insane awesomeness that it once was, and I wish I had the chance to really get into it.
GG SC2?
No one sensible in this subforum would predict or even hope that SC2 would falter. For now, the movement of 3 ex-SC2 players from a defunct team indicates nothing about how HotS will pan out.
What the cold, hard truth is, is that Blizzard needs to pick things up. Not even from an eSports perspective (what is very important to most of us at TL) but the basics like interface, networking, and reliability.
I'm sure they will.
Look at WCS Europe and their recent attitude on their forums.
The times at Blizz for SC2 are changing.
I hope it gets better. As it is now, I'm a little burnt out on SC2 and taking a small break to learn LoL (it is my thesis game after all).
Jungle Warwick with tanky build is pretty broken at low level if the team communicates. Or should I say team communication is broken at low level XD
Anything tanky is OP at low levels, because beginners all build glass cannon for some reason.
On October 18 2012 04:11 reikai wrote: This thread hurts me to see, but it's correct; SC2 is a huge step backwards. The lack of support interface-wise killed it versus the awesome job Riot did.
I didn't even play BW, but I can see the insane awesomeness that it once was, and I wish I had the chance to really get into it.
GG SC2?
No one sensible in this subforum would predict or even hope that SC2 would falter. For now, the movement of 3 ex-SC2 players from a defunct team indicates nothing about how HotS will pan out.
What the cold, hard truth is, is that Blizzard needs to pick things up. Not even from an eSports perspective (what is very important to most of us at TL) but the basics like interface, networking, and reliability.
I'm sure they will.
Look at WCS Europe and their recent attitude on their forums.
The times at Blizz for SC2 are changing.
I hope it gets better. As it is now, I'm a little burnt out on SC2 and taking a small break to learn LoL (it is my thesis game after all).
Jungle Warwick with tanky build is pretty broken at low level if the team communicates. Or should I say team communication is broken at low level XD
Blizzard is slowly doing some things but there might be some setbacks with the departure of their esports boss. I'm sure the WCS World Finals was being prepared even before he left but now we have to wonder how things will go after that.
huehue, and guess where that boss went to... yeah, the one that made WCS a success for Blizzard.
locodoco called it back in September 2011. locodoco is a prophet.
Prediction at 3:40 if you don't wanna watch all of it. I followed locodoco's teachings like a good fanboy though, so it doesn't surprise me that LoL is huge in Korea.
On October 18 2012 09:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: This is kinda what I was trying to get across in the live report thread the other day (that got me banned, poor wording on my part is op).
I wouldn't have banned. But you invoked BW, so Wax had to step in. You said "shit", which depending on context, could have been very negative. In this case, I knew what you meant. Just type more clearly next time.
On October 18 2012 09:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: This is kinda what I was trying to get across in the live report thread the other day (that got me banned, poor wording on my part is op).
I wouldn't have banned. But you invoked BW, so Wax had to step in. You said "shit", which depending on context, could have been very negative. In this case, I knew what you meant. Just type more clearly next time.
npnpnp
Of course YOU wouldn't have banned
And ye, next time, don't word it so you can interpret it as "lol is shit", haha. That ban honestly confused me, until I saw the other way to read that sentence.
On October 18 2012 05:41 Lysteria wrote: It's sad, as it could help a lot with korean scene review to have TL focused on LoL as well.
We aim to have a better international coverage in S3, I promise. TheYango was brought on specially for his insight on the Chinese scene. Chexx and Vlani help out a ton with their consistent new postings about the Korean scene.
If there's anything we, as a subforum, can improve upon, it's to move away from the NA centric view of LoL.
I think LoL deserves its own sub forum like Dota ! There is just so many things going on to post under LoL General.
Dota 2 is great game, no doubt about it. but unfortunately it's still in beta and I don't think theres much exciting things going on. international was one of the craziest tournament so far tho. DENDIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
That being said, DotA 2 not having as easy of an access to the game as LoL certainly isn't helping its popularity. There's also the issue that DotA is much much harsher for new players than LoL so the barrier of entry would also hinder DotA's popularity. That being said, DotA can easily compete with LoL due to its immense popularity in China.
Also, the countless amount of people screaming that DotA is soo hard and high skill while LoL is newb friendly game also means that casuals are probably more willing to play LoL than DotA.
Regarding this situation though, I just find it sadly ironic that this happens after TL decides not to support LoL. It's a pity cause SlayerS was probably my fav Korean SC2 team when I still followed the scene.
On October 18 2012 05:52 tylervoss4 wrote: I think LoL deserves its own sub forum like Dota ! There is just so many things going on to post under LoL General.
Dota 2 is great game, no doubt about it. but unfortunately it's still in beta and I don't think theres much exciting things going on. international was one of the craziest tournament so far tho. DENDIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
To be honest, I think the LoL subforum benefited from some of the bad posters migrating to the DotA 2 forum (Neo knows who I'm talking about). I wouldn't want our LoL forum to get too big and have those kinds of posters come back.
The forum population arguably gets bigger with every major tourney and LR thread, though I can honestly say it's real good that there's still a visible minority of 100-200 recognizable posters to...(I don't want to say 'drown out' but I can't think of a better way to say it) the newbies and lurkers. Not that we don't welcome them or anything, but I think the subforum personalities are a good thing for us.
Can you recognize me?
On topic: yes, LoL is huge in korea, and as long as a long-term plan is in place, it will only get bigger.
For the record, yes I do.
And on topic: I'm super excited to have gotten in on the ground floor of what is shaping up to be a BW-level e-sport. I can be one of those hipster guys who says "Oh yeah I've been following the scene since 20XX" 5 years from now when we have our first bonjwa team or some shit.
On October 18 2012 05:41 Lysteria wrote: It's sad, as it could help a lot with korean scene review to have TL focused on LoL as well.
We aim to have a better international coverage in S3, I promise. TheYango was brought on specially for his insight on the Chinese scene. Chexx and Vlani help out a ton with their consistent new postings about the Korean scene.
If there's anything we, as a subforum, can improve upon, it's to move away from the NA centric view of LoL.
I think LoL deserves its own sub forum like Dota ! There is just so many things going on to post under LoL General.
Dota 2 is great game, no doubt about it. but unfortunately it's still in beta and I don't think theres much exciting things going on. international was one of the craziest tournament so far tho. DENDIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Regarding this situation though, I just find it sadly ironic that this happens after TL decides not to support LoL. It's a pity cause SlayerS was probably my fav Korean SC2 team when I still followed the scene.
On October 18 2012 05:41 Lysteria wrote: It's sad, as it could help a lot with korean scene review to have TL focused on LoL as well.
We aim to have a better international coverage in S3, I promise. TheYango was brought on specially for his insight on the Chinese scene. Chexx and Vlani help out a ton with their consistent new postings about the Korean scene.
If there's anything we, as a subforum, can improve upon, it's to move away from the NA centric view of LoL.
I think LoL deserves its own sub forum like Dota ! There is just so many things going on to post under LoL General.
Dota 2 is great game, no doubt about it. but unfortunately it's still in beta and I don't think theres much exciting things going on. international was one of the craziest tournament so far tho. DENDIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Regarding this situation though, I just find it sadly ironic that this happens after TL decides not to support LoL. It's a pity cause SlayerS was probably my fav Korean SC2 team when I still followed the scene.
We understand that League right now is the biggest game with the largest player base. But this isn't purely a business or numbers decision for TL. At this moment, taking into account our existing core audience (StarCraft fans), we believe that Dota 2 should be the game we add to our coverage. It "fits" TL's style, and it's very popular among our staff, who play and watch the game as well as visit sites like r/dota2. We already have an active Dota 2 forum, and pro Dota 2 players are streaming using our stream list. Though no TL game expansion can compare to us adding StarCraft 2 two years ago, this is a similar situation where all the pieces are already in place.
This doesn't mean we hate League of Legends or that it has no place on TL. In fact, we have many fans of professional LoL on TL and they and our staff have done some amazing forum-based coverage of LoL tournaments, such as MLG Summer Arena or IEM Cologne. We're not ruling out adding League, but right now we feel that Dota 2 fits us more.
Not necessarily a permanent thing. Just not right now.
I love PC bangs in Korea, especially going with friends who are right beside you. During school breaks or when there is nothing to do outside (before drinking), PC bangs are so crowded (in seoul) that it's hard to find seats for even two people. I have easily introduced the game to so many friends. Free to play sure attracts the crowds.
LoL is getting big in korea, just like bigbang did... doesn't mean it is the best moba, just like bigbang will never be the best boyband (H.O.T. 4 life). SC2 flopped in korea simply because of how the BW fans feel about the skill cap in sc2. Just like someone in this thread said, in korea sc2 has the "for newbs" stigma.
People should have learned from sc2, that using hype to artificially grow an "esport" won't last. Blizzard did it with sc2, and while they accomplished a more globally relevant game than bw, it is still primarily dominated by koreans, and they aren't even the best rts players korea has to offer.
Riot is trying to push LoL too hard too fast... a lot of people claim the game is amazing cause it is ever-changing, it only feels like that because people had to learn how to play the first couple of years. We all knew how the game would evolve based on rts and fps experience to understand the natural evolution of team-based games.
Will dota2 be better or bigger? I'd say chances are unlikely. Will LoL be the more skillful game and thus better for esports? Who knows...
All I know is that an esport in its infancy, does not deserve million dollar tournaments just so people scream "omg this game is so big look at the dollar signs".
I predict that if LoL stays huge in korea for years to come, the quality of the fans will be less than that of bw fans... the more artificial type fan... sorta like the kpop scene.
Same thing happened with SC2... all the grizzled bw fans saw all these new fans that didn't really care about the depth of the game, flocking to it because of the hype... those fans aren't ever nearly as passionate though... and there was a lot of friction between them and more seasoned fans, because of the general lack of understanding of what is skillful and what isn't. (Sorta like how people were hyping up idra and whitera in beta, when any decent korean coach could tell you their play simply wasn't top caliber, and never would be)
My prediction is that LoL will stay big until people get desensitized about the big prize pools, and actually start analyzing the game for its merits and whether it takes a ton of skill or not. Eventually people will realize that there are some very poor balancing issues at play and a lot of less skillful players can rely on certain gimmicks or balance issues to mask their inferior skill.
Riot could fix these kinda issues if they truly cared about the state of their game as an e-sport... but it serves them better to release their new champs as OP as possible so people buy them up like hot cakes.
The entry level is also not conducive for hardcore esports, having people grind up champs and runes and all that jazz.
On October 18 2012 08:56 overt wrote: locodoco called it back in September 2011. locodoco is a prophet.
Prediction at 3:40 if you don't wanna watch all of it. I followed locodoco's teachings like a good fanboy though, so it doesn't surprise me that LoL is huge in Korea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtIkHW0PVpc
Loco why you go to school... T_T I miss you... We need good English speaking Korean to connect our communities better.
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
KT played in the Enter the Dragon tournament yesterday and the VoDs are up here: http://en.afreeca.tv/
They played a smaller team from Korea called RoMg.
I've followed almost every big tournament in LoL's history and OGN's tournaments have been the best in every regard (except the quality of streaming and the casting). Watching semis and finals in OGN's tournaments was mind-blowing to me, so high-level mechanics, strategies and teamwork.
On October 19 2012 05:59 robertdinh wrote: LoL is getting big in korea, just like bigbang did... doesn't mean it is the best moba, just like bigbang will never be the best boyband (H.O.T. 4 life). SC2 flopped in korea simply because of how the BW fans feel about the skill cap in sc2. Just like someone in this thread said, in korea sc2 has the "for newbs" stigma.
No, it's the opposite. I didn't know about it at first, either, but for most Koreans, SC2 is too hardcore. It's fun to watch, but too hardcore to enjoy playing.
People should have learned from sc2, that using hype to artificially grow an "esport" won't last. Blizzard did it with sc2, and while they accomplished a more globally relevant game than bw, it is still primarily dominated by koreans, and they aren't even the best rts players korea has to offer.
Riot is trying to push LoL too hard too fast... a lot of people claim the game is amazing cause it is ever-changing, it only feels like that because people had to learn how to play the first couple of years. We all knew how the game would evolve based on rts and fps experience to understand the natural evolution of team-based games.
Riot only really pushed the competitive side of LoL in season 2. Before that, they were more focused on other aspects of the fandom, namely the fan artists and casuals.
Will dota2 be better or bigger? I'd say chances are unlikely. Will LoL be the more skillful game and thus better for esports? Who knows...
I learned the hard way that a more skillful game doesn't necessarily make a better 'E-Sport'.
All I know is that an esport in its infancy, does not deserve million dollar tournaments just so people scream "omg this game is so big look at the dollar signs".
1. Didn't GSL do the same thing? 2. Who are you to say that it doesn't deserve it? 3. LoL is big not just because of the number of zeroes on the check given to the winner.
I predict that if LoL stays huge in korea for years to come, the quality of the fans will be less than that of bw fans... the more artificial type fan... sorta like the kpop scene.
Many of the 'fangirls' and the more casual fans of BW already migrated towards LoL. LoL is there to stay in Korea. Get used to it.
It's also comical how you call those kpop fans artificial. They're no more artificial than SC2 or LoL fans.
Same thing happened with SC2... all the grizzled bw fans saw all these new fans that didn't really care about the depth of the game, flocking to it because of the hype... those fans aren't ever nearly as passionate though... and there was a lot of friction between them and more seasoned fans, because of the general lack of understanding of what is skillful and what isn't. (Sorta like how people were hyping up idra and whitera in beta, when any decent korean coach could tell you their play simply wasn't top caliber, and never would be)
How is what's happening in LoL and what happened in SC2 remotely the same? I just said that, at least in Korea, the vast majority of BW fans went over to LoL, not SC2.
My prediction is that LoL will stay big until people get desensitized about the big prize pools, and actually start analyzing the game for its merits and whether it takes a ton of skill or not. Eventually people will realize that there are some very poor balancing issues at play and a lot of less skillful players can rely on certain gimmicks or balance issues to mask their inferior skill.
I don't even know how to begin responding to this. You just come off as very ignorant about LoL and Esports as a whole.
Riot could fix these kinda issues if they truly cared about the state of their game as an e-sport... but it serves them better to release their new champs as OP as possible so people buy them up like hot cakes.
See what they're trying to do for Season 3. You can see that they want to not only make the game better as a competitive game, but also give the average joes a better experience. LoL is proof that you don't have to choose between hardcore and casual.
The entry level is also not conducive for hardcore esports, having people grind up champs and runes and all that jazz.
On the contrary, the gradual learning experience that LoL provides a good way into entering the competitive scene. Much better than in SC2 where you get immediately hit by a brick wall to the face.
Hi, first post but long time Lurker. Played for AL(dreamhack 2012) elohell(warsaw and gamescom) as the jungler. Decided to post smth because of the awesome and thoughtful community(for example not flaming our games vs m5 where we were serverly outplayed even with the TL nunu top pick-also m5 clg in groups and m5 at gamescom).
Anyways I had a few thoughts about some of the posts here.
First of all LoL didn't get big just because of riot sponsoring prize money. Before LoL was big the players created a comptetitive environment by themselves(with the help of esl). I'm talking about the go4lol's(in eu) where there could be as much as 1000 teams signed up a week(for 100 euro 1st place...) where I and many others played with many different teams.
Second, it'll be really intresting how the korean pro sc2 players will perform in LoL, lately I casually played in a team with a cs1.6 legend Taz and can say that I could definitely feel his progamer experience(even though he's playing for only half a year he already has 2200 elo) so it's intresting to see how fast the sc2 pros can catch up.
If players living in korea say that LoL is getting as hyped as BW once, then LoL should be huge in korea soon.
On October 20 2012 04:18 veggie16 wrote: Hi, first post but long time Lurker. Played for AL(dreamhack 2012) elohell(warsaw and gamescom) as the jungler. Decided to post smth because of the awesome and thoughtful community(for example not flaming our games vs m5 where we were serverly outplayed even with the TL nunu top pick-also m5 clg in groups and m5 at gamescom).
Anyways I had a few thoughts about some of the posts here.
First of all LoL didn't get big just because of riot sponsoring prize money. Before LoL was big the players created a comptetitive environment by themselves(with the help of esl). I'm talking about the go4lol's(in eu) where there could be as much as 1000 teams signed up a week(for 100 euro 1st place...) where I and many others played with many different teams.
Second, it'll be really intresting how the korean pro sc2 players will perform in LoL, lately I casually played in a team with a cs1.6 legend Taz and can say that I could definitely feel his progamer experience(even though he's playing for only half a year he already has 2200 elo) so it's intresting to see how fast the sc2 pros can catch up.
If players living in korea say that LoL is getting as hyped as BW once, then LoL should be huge in korea soon.
Always nice to have a pro pop in. Hope you stick around. :3
On October 19 2012 05:59 robertdinh wrote: Riot could fix these kinda issues if they truly cared about the state of their game as an e-sport... but it serves them better to release their new champs as OP as possible so people buy them up like hot cakes.
I disagree with pretty much your entire post, but I'm going to just address this point because it's something I see parroted a lot everywhere.
Releasing new champs on the OP side of things makes a lot of sense not only from the business standpoint, but from a development/balance standpoint, as well. Obviously, if a champion is OP on release, a lot of people will want to insta-buy, some with RP, to take advantage of said champ.
However, on the other hand, releasing a champ to be on the OP side of things is extremely helpful for development of the champion. If Riot releases a champion that's utter trash or simply "average" then no one will play said champ. It then becomes extremely hard to gather sufficient data about that champion through games since no one wants to play that champion. Balancing that champion becomes really difficult too since it's hard to gauge how much the balance changes affected the champion. Riot has had a history of stealth buffing champions to the point where these champions explode and become FOTM OP. These champions were able to be stealth buffed to OP status since no one ever plays them due to a conception that they're weak since they were such shit on release. Examples: Lee Sin and Cassiopeia. Both were pretty crappy on release, but then Riot handed them buffs after buffs and they suddenly became OP FOTM. You then also have shit like Karma and Sejuani. These champions have potentially strong kits, but the numbers are just total trash. Thus no one plays them and Riot has next to no data/incentive to balance them.
It's not only LoL that does this. Icefrog does this in DotA, as well. Even with Icefrog's much much slower rate of patching, whenever DotA releases new heroes, those heroes tend to be soooooooooooo OP. They get toned down bit by bit. Both Valve/Icefrog and Riot avoid screwing the competitive scene despite releasing OP heroes/champs by simply disabling them for competitive play until they're considered more "balanced" and tested.
On October 18 2012 03:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: LoL is a good example of accessibility done right - much like UMvC3, which let terrible players feel like they're in control through a much easier combo system. And like Marvel, the easier system hides exquisitely deep gameplay at high levels. Pretty easy to see LoL as a noob game (or to see UMvC3 as a noob successor to Marvel 2), but when you really play both games, you find out quickly how wrong that perspective is.
I wonder if we ever stop pointing out terrible/noob players over and over again. it feels like gaming racism. Why can't we just be happy that we are all big community of gamers and happen to have fun together in a very good game LoL?
On October 18 2012 03:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: LoL is a good example of accessibility done right - much like UMvC3, which let terrible players feel like they're in control through a much easier combo system. And like Marvel, the easier system hides exquisitely deep gameplay at high levels. Pretty easy to see LoL as a noob game (or to see UMvC3 as a noob successor to Marvel 2), but when you really play both games, you find out quickly how wrong that perspective is.
I wonder if we ever stop pointing out terrible/noob players over and over again. it feels like gaming racism. Why can't we just be happy that we are all big community of gamers and happen to have fun together in a very good game LoL?
This man should get some sort of ribbon or medal or something.
On October 20 2012 05:08 Ryuu314 wrote: However, on the other hand, releasing a champ to be on the OP side of things is extremely helpful for development of the champion. If Riot releases a champion that's utter trash or simply "average" then no one will play said champ. It then becomes extremely hard to gather sufficient data about that champion through games since no one wants to play that champion. Balancing that champion becomes really difficult too since it's hard to gauge how much the balance changes affected the champion. Riot has had a history of stealth buffing champions to the point where these champions explode and become FOTM OP. These champions were able to be stealth buffed to OP status since no one ever plays them due to a conception that they're weak since they were such shit on release. Examples: Lee Sin and Cassiopeia. Both were pretty crappy on release, but then Riot handed them buffs after buffs and they suddenly became OP FOTM. You then also have shit like Karma and Sejuani. These champions have potentially strong kits, but the numbers are just total trash. Thus no one plays them and Riot has next to no data/incentive to balance them.
Also worth noting that the lag time on weak champions getting buffed and then discovered is insanely long.
Consider the case of Lee Sin as mentioned. He was hotfixed at the beginning of April 2011, and by June, he still was not all that played (Lee Sin jungle effectively only came into being in that period as a product of the double-E bug, which was only discovered mid-May and hotfixed at the beginning of June). Only some time after that did he really become really popular, warranting his nerf at the beginning of October--many of which were simply reverts of those early hotfix changes to begin with (W range nerf, Q AD ratio nerf).
On October 20 2012 05:08 Ryuu314 wrote: However, on the other hand, releasing a champ to be on the OP side of things is extremely helpful for development of the champion. If Riot releases a champion that's utter trash or simply "average" then no one will play said champ. It then becomes extremely hard to gather sufficient data about that champion through games since no one wants to play that champion. Balancing that champion becomes really difficult too since it's hard to gauge how much the balance changes affected the champion. Riot has had a history of stealth buffing champions to the point where these champions explode and become FOTM OP. These champions were able to be stealth buffed to OP status since no one ever plays them due to a conception that they're weak since they were such shit on release. Examples: Lee Sin and Cassiopeia. Both were pretty crappy on release, but then Riot handed them buffs after buffs and they suddenly became OP FOTM. You then also have shit like Karma and Sejuani. These champions have potentially strong kits, but the numbers are just total trash. Thus no one plays them and Riot has next to no data/incentive to balance them.
Also worth noting that the lag time on weak champions getting buffed and then discovered is insanely long.
Consider the case of Lee Sin as mentioned. He was hotfixed at the beginning of April 2011, and by June, he still was not all that played (Lee Sin jungle effectively only came into being in that period as a product of the double-E bug, which was only discovered mid-May and hotfixed at the beginning of June). Only some time after that did he really become really popular, warranting his nerf at the beginning of October--many of which were simply reverts of those early hotfix changes to begin with (W range nerf, Q AD ratio nerf).
One of the problems, from my experience of playing Syndra in particular, is that even if a player has the motivation to master a "weak" new champion (arguable; I still think Syndra is not that *that* weak), his teammate may not have a single clue as to how to play with the said champion.
Talking about the Korean LoL-scene ... I remember that the former BW progamer from Samsung Khan Grape switched over to League and was going to become a progamer. BW was already in its decline (and I was actually hoping for Stork to make the switch, too). Any information what happened to Grape? Still playing LoL? If yes, is he any good? Any appearances at tournaments?
tbh I think the most succesful people on the League scene with a starcraft background right now are Nal-ra, Reach and Yellow lol
Pretty sure among the current top korean teams there is no ex sc player, might change in the future though if more switch over and as a former slayers fan I hope Coca and Puzzle will be decently succesful.
On October 20 2012 07:06 AsnSensation wrote: tbh I think the most succesful people on the League scene with a starcraft background right now are Nal-ra, Reach and Yellow lol
Pretty sure among the current top korean teams there is no ex sc player, might change in the future though if more switch over and as a former slayers fan I hope Coca and Puzzle will be decently succesful.
On October 20 2012 07:06 AsnSensation wrote: tbh I think the most succesful people on the League scene with a starcraft background right now are Nal-ra, Reach and Yellow lol
Pretty sure among the current top korean teams there is no ex sc player, might change in the future though if more switch over and as a former slayers fan I hope Coca and Puzzle will be decently succesful.
Its funny because myself + all my friends from DOTA/HoN were the same. Talked about how casual LoL was because you couldn't deny creeps ECT. Then we started playing and haven't touched DOTA since.
On October 20 2012 07:23 adriftt wrote: Its funny because myself + all my friends from DOTA/HoN were the same. Talked about how casual LoL was because you couldn't deny creeps ECT. Then we started playing and haven't touched DOTA since.
i teeter-totter a bit between Dota 2 and LoL atm. i only played Dota really casually a few years back, been playing LoL with mates since about March of this year and got into Dota again when i got the beta key in August. I must admit Dota simply has more mechanics and "tricks" if you will to think about e.g. u can manipulate creeps quite a bit, jungle pulling, ancient stacking, secret shops, courier and tp scroll ganking/defending, denying etc. On the other hand LoL is much simpler and easier to understand. My perception of all this is that LoL is not necessarily easier to play, I just think it's SIMPLER. There's a very big difference between something being easy, and something being simple. LoL is incredibly complex at the higher levels and that's why there can be a professional scene. No one would want to watch something that is easy and that they can do themselves. However they WILL watch something that is simple to understand and interpret coz u get the hang of the game really fast, but there is a big difference between well-executed, expert plays compared to average pubs. To me it's like football. simple, but not easy to master.
On October 20 2012 07:23 adriftt wrote: Its funny because myself + all my friends from DOTA/HoN were the same. Talked about how casual LoL was because you couldn't deny creeps ECT. Then we started playing and haven't touched DOTA since.
There's a very big difference between something being easy, and something being simple. LoL is incredibly complex at the higher levels and that's why there can be a professional scene. No one would want to watch something that is easy and that they can do themselves. However they WILL watch something that is simple to understand and interpret coz u get the hang of the game really fast, but there is a big difference between well-executed, expert plays compared to average pubs. To me it's like football. simple, but not easy to master.
well i dont know about that. i really like lol, but i dont see that lol is incredibly complex at any lvl. there are a few things you have to do better at high lvl of play like time the cooldowns (summoners and ultis) and understand which fight you can actually win, but in relation to both of the starcraft games and dota its kinda easy. the most fun (for me atleast) to watch in the lol proscene is that i have the feeling i know the players better than in sc2 (like tsm, clg na/eu and moscow5). till now there arent koreans/asians stomping EVERYONE. you could argue the season2 finals told a different story, but i think the EU teams were pretty descent and if the NA teams would take lol more seriously, the skillgap would close pretty fast. sry for my bad english, its pretty late here^^
On October 20 2012 07:23 adriftt wrote: Its funny because myself + all my friends from DOTA/HoN were the same. Talked about how casual LoL was because you couldn't deny creeps ECT. Then we started playing and haven't touched DOTA since.
There's a very big difference between something being easy, and something being simple. LoL is incredibly complex at the higher levels and that's why there can be a professional scene. No one would want to watch something that is easy and that they can do themselves. However they WILL watch something that is simple to understand and interpret coz u get the hang of the game really fast, but there is a big difference between well-executed, expert plays compared to average pubs. To me it's like football. simple, but not easy to master.
well i dont know about that. i really like lol, but i dont see that lol is incredibly complex at any lvl. there are a few things you have to do better at high lvl of play like time the cooldowns (summoners and ultis) and understand which fight you can actually win, but in relation to both of the starcraft games and dota its kinda easy. the most fun (for me atleast) to watch in the lol proscene is that i have the feeling i know the players better than in sc2 (like tsm, clg na/eu and moscow5). till now there arent koreans/asians stomping EVERYONE. you could argue the season2 finals told a different story, but i think the EU teams were pretty descent and if the NA teams would take lol more seriously, the skillgap would close pretty fast. sry for my bad english, its pretty late here^^
Korea's only formally had LoL for less than a year.
Give it another 6 months, the gap is going to be enormous.
They do a good job at keeping the game casual (bot games), ARAM, Dominion... they need to put ARAM into matchmaking though, so we could have some balanced team.
They should also release more fun mode like ARAM. Yes, there are people playing it seriously. But most people just want to have fun. When I play hockey with friends, we just play for fun (in other words, we don't follow the rules or anything).
On October 20 2012 04:43 Chill wrote: When I went to watch the semifinals of the OGN league in May, I showed up an hour early and there was a 500-person line. It was crazy.
Yeah, Moletrap tells me that even group stage games fill up the studio.
In comparison, the only time I've witnessed huge crowds/queues for Starcraft was when I went for the OSL semi-final between Flash and Fantasy. People were lining up 3+ hours before the games were scheduled to start. I think the line went all the way to the elevator on the other side of the building. It was the first (and most likely last time) Starcraft will garner a crowd large enough to remove all the seating from the studio and make everyone sit on the floor. That and the last BW OSL final, but that is self-explanatory (people went to Jamsil at 8am for tickets, and this was during the Korean summer).
I went to the LoL finals i arrived at 8:30 and there were like 3-4k people already there. At 10 the tickets were given out. If you want to watch in the studio you better arrive 2h hours early if you want to have a good place.
On October 20 2012 07:23 adriftt wrote: Its funny because myself + all my friends from DOTA/HoN were the same. Talked about how casual LoL was because you couldn't deny creeps ECT. Then we started playing and haven't touched DOTA since.
There's a very big difference between something being easy, and something being simple. LoL is incredibly complex at the higher levels and that's why there can be a professional scene. No one would want to watch something that is easy and that they can do themselves. However they WILL watch something that is simple to understand and interpret coz u get the hang of the game really fast, but there is a big difference between well-executed, expert plays compared to average pubs. To me it's like football. simple, but not easy to master.
well i dont know about that. i really like lol, but i dont see that lol is incredibly complex at any lvl. there are a few things you have to do better at high lvl of play like time the cooldowns (summoners and ultis) and understand which fight you can actually win, but in relation to both of the starcraft games and dota its kinda easy. the most fun (for me atleast) to watch in the lol proscene is that i have the feeling i know the players better than in sc2 (like tsm, clg na/eu and moscow5). till now there arent koreans/asians stomping EVERYONE. you could argue the season2 finals told a different story, but i think the EU teams were pretty descent and if the NA teams would take lol more seriously, the skillgap would close pretty fast. sry for my bad english, its pretty late here^^
Korea's only formally had LoL for less than a year.
Give it another 6 months, the gap is going to be enormous.
i called TPA winning the championship but i also predict that korea will become dominating season 3 as they filter out worse players for newer talent to the scene (or perhaps some from the BW, one can hope) and polish their play further. given the youth of many players, they only have upwards to go atm
On October 19 2012 05:59 robertdinh wrote: Riot could fix these kinda issues if they truly cared about the state of their game as an e-sport... but it serves them better to release their new champs as OP as possible so people buy them up like hot cakes.
I disagree with pretty much your entire post, but I'm going to just address this point because it's something I see parroted a lot everywhere.
Releasing new champs on the OP side of things makes a lot of sense not only from the business standpoint, but from a development/balance standpoint, as well. Obviously, if a champion is OP on release, a lot of people will want to insta-buy, some with RP, to take advantage of said champ.
However, on the other hand, releasing a champ to be on the OP side of things is extremely helpful for development of the champion. If Riot releases a champion that's utter trash or simply "average" then no one will play said champ. It then becomes extremely hard to gather sufficient data about that champion through games since no one wants to play that champion. Balancing that champion becomes really difficult too since it's hard to gauge how much the balance changes affected the champion. Riot has had a history of stealth buffing champions to the point where these champions explode and become FOTM OP. These champions were able to be stealth buffed to OP status since no one ever plays them due to a conception that they're weak since they were such shit on release. Examples: Lee Sin and Cassiopeia. Both were pretty crappy on release, but then Riot handed them buffs after buffs and they suddenly became OP FOTM. You then also have shit like Karma and Sejuani. These champions have potentially strong kits, but the numbers are just total trash. Thus no one plays them and Riot has next to no data/incentive to balance them.
It's not only LoL that does this. Icefrog does this in DotA, as well. Even with Icefrog's much much slower rate of patching, whenever DotA releases new heroes, those heroes tend to be soooooooooooo OP. They get toned down bit by bit. Both Valve/Icefrog and Riot avoid screwing the competitive scene despite releasing OP heroes/champs by simply disabling them for competitive play until they're considered more "balanced" and tested.
Dota already does this, as new heroes sit in non -cm pool for 3-9 months or so and recieve tweaks.
On October 20 2012 07:23 adriftt wrote: Its funny because myself + all my friends from DOTA/HoN were the same. Talked about how casual LoL was because you couldn't deny creeps ECT. Then we started playing and haven't touched DOTA since.
I have the opposite experience as I play both but constantly have people asking me to teach them dota 2 since I also have a lol background.
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
KT got two teams, and CJ still has their team, one of KT teams is ex-NaJi Shield.
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
KT got two teams, and CJ still has their team, one of KT teams is ex-NaJi Shield.
only one player is from najin shield. I think you mean Startale
On October 18 2012 04:47 Djin)ftw( wrote: Come now, that a couple of Ex-Slayers players move to LoL is just the beginning. There is no way that the Kespa-teams wont jump on the bandwagon when LoL is that popular. I am sure that a lot of players already play it besides SC2. As soon as KHAN, SKt1, KTF etc. create LoL teams, a lot of these SC2 players will join. Sc2 is just not popular in South Korea and I highly doubt that HotS will change that.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of Blizzard though. After the disappointing SC2 and the clusterfuck that is D3 I'm curious as to what will happen in the future.
Incidentally, KT already does have a LoL team, and CJ's had one for a little while now.
KT got two teams, and CJ still has their team, one of KT teams is ex-NaJi Shield.
only one player is from najin shield. I think you mean Startale
whoops, true why I remember NaJin shield.
P.S. Did Startale get new teams? after the one with Loco left?
There's so many "i was LoL sux then i tried it and i loved it" around here..interesting. I was the opposite, I played DotA a lot before but embraced LoL when it came out. Played through the end of beta up to the release of Ezrael. I don't know, personally LoL disappointed me when I got decent mechanically, as the greatest improvements are then of either general awareness and decision making. In DotA I'll always be improving my mechanics. What I want to say is that LoL's mechanical skill is learned more quick than DotA's, projectile speeds/movement speeds are much more streamlined compared to DotA2.
To me lack of LoS/denying in LoL is a bit like the lack of certain micro tricks/highground advantage in SC2..these things add dynamic to the game.
But what I always liked about LoL is that it tried to be different, HoN was just a real copy of DotA. I think LoL's strength could be in hero development, but Riot still is too stubborn. So many cool things could be done with spells/abilities, yet some ~champions~ feel so alike.
I think it's great Korea is picking up a new e-sport craze. If anyone can make a game truly wonderful it's the Korean pros!
For one DotA's animations have a ton more variations compared to LoL's. Most of the attack animations in LoL are very very similiar, one that I can remember that partially stands out is Annie's that a bit more delayed compared to others. But in general most of the animations are a lot more smooth. In Dota attack animations have all kinds of delays and graphical anomalies(to note, dota2 has fixed most of these razor/lina/zeus come to mind).
Second thing are turning speeds, I can't really remember any difference as far as turning goes between LoL's champions.(would be glad if someone mentions any champ?) In DotA almost every hero turns with a different speed, this in turn affects the attack animation timing and spell-casts!
Now I consider all of this mostly mechanical-subtleties. But you could also say they're just behaviours/properties of how they work. In general if you just consider the UI and that mechanical aspect, there's also a substantial difference. In LoL you are pretty much locked to controlling your own hero + the pets via the default alt-key. Not much other control is needed.
Dota's UI is something like SC's where you can control multiple units at once. This comes down to champions again of course(or items- Manta/necro). For example if you're playing Nature's Prophet who has a spell that converts nearby trees to treants. You control both the hero and those units he summoned - this adds multitasking to the mix. As well as things like blocking enemy heroes, denying things with the summons, scouting etc.
There's other mechanical differences besides attack animations/turn speeds. Line of sight for example affects so much of the game, it adds another layer of awareness to the game and how you position yourself. But enough of that, I would consider LoL less mechanically-tough something like SC2 to BW, but this doesn't mean anything else but the fact that mechanics are in general easier to master. Same as SC2.
This is probably the only thing I hate about LoL. Of course you're always going to be trying to improve your mechanics, but the gains of improving them quickly diminish as you better yourself. This is not THAT present in DotA, personally.
how can anyone play this game? IT IS SO UNINTERACTIVE. you can't deny creeps, towers, or allies. you can't pull creeps. and you press qwer with a good team strategy + engagement to win.
you can win 3 battles in a row and still lose the game. it is very FORGIVING. how can anyone stand this game is beyond me.
On October 22 2012 00:57 MicroTastiC wrote: how can anyone play this game? IT IS SO UNINTERACTIVE. you can't deny creeps, towers, or allies. you can't pull creeps. and you press qwer with a good team strategy + engagement to win.
you can win 3 battles in a row and still lose the game. it is very FORGIVING. how can anyone stand this game is beyond me.
I agree on the uninteractive claim. The mechanics and controls feel very stiff and limited, which takes away many possibilities of making plays. On the other hand, this means most plays have to be done by mind games and decision making, which is also exciting if that's your strong point or if you're into that.
It is also true that the game is very forgiving, but have in mind that it is equally forgiving for you and your enemy, so in the end noone has an advantage over others. Being forgiving also is good in that it applies heavy pressure to one's psychology. In an unforgiving game, you win the battle, you win the game, fuck yes I'm da man. You lose the battle, oh well next time I'll do better, gg. But in this game it's not as easy to rejoice or resign. You need to stay focused until the very end, to not get overconfident nor too negative.
As many have said before me, LoL is a game that the noobest of noobs can play to a certain degree because it is so easy, yet it gets really hard to reach high stages, because it is a team game where you can't make the difference by pure skill and require you to have something else, call it balls, intelligence, morale, swag, leadership, whatever you want.
LoL is not forgiving at all, most players think its too snowbally.
it also depends WHEN you lose a battle, there are times where you can lose and its no biggy and times where you straight up lose if you lose a single battle. Just like a capped zerg with full larva and ressources can lose a battle.
ye, calling LoL forgiving really shows how clueless you are, its actually one of the nice things about dota how lanes and games can be turned around much more often
On October 22 2012 00:57 MicroTastiC wrote: how can anyone play this game? IT IS SO UNINTERACTIVE. you can't deny creeps, towers, or allies. you can't pull creeps. and you press qwer with a good team strategy + engagement to win.
you can win 3 battles in a row and still lose the game. it is very FORGIVING. how can anyone stand this game is beyond me.
Thought that Imma agree with you that LoL has less room "to make plays" until you said LoL is forgiving ... 1 mistake in a sololane and you're fucked unless you get heavy jungle gank.
On October 20 2012 07:23 adriftt wrote: Its funny because myself + all my friends from DOTA/HoN were the same. Talked about how casual LoL was because you couldn't deny creeps ECT. Then we started playing and haven't touched DOTA since.
There's a very big difference between something being easy, and something being simple. LoL is incredibly complex at the higher levels and that's why there can be a professional scene. No one would want to watch something that is easy and that they can do themselves. However they WILL watch something that is simple to understand and interpret coz u get the hang of the game really fast, but there is a big difference between well-executed, expert plays compared to average pubs. To me it's like football. simple, but not easy to master.
well i dont know about that. i really like lol, but i dont see that lol is incredibly complex at any lvl. there are a few things you have to do better at high lvl of play like time the cooldowns (summoners and ultis) and understand which fight you can actually win, but in relation to both of the starcraft games and dota its kinda easy. the most fun (for me atleast) to watch in the lol proscene is that i have the feeling i know the players better than in sc2 (like tsm, clg na/eu and moscow5). till now there arent koreans/asians stomping EVERYONE. you could argue the season2 finals told a different story, but i think the EU teams were pretty descent and if the NA teams would take lol more seriously, the skillgap would close pretty fast. sry for my bad english, its pretty late here^^
Korea's only formally had LoL for less than a year.
Give it another 6 months, the gap is going to be enormous.
The gap's never going to become enormous due to the nature of the game, but with all the major corporate sponsors in Korea lining up Kespa-style and the amount of Korean pro teams exceeding the amount of pro teams in all of EU / NA, it's indeed only a matter of time before Koreans gain the upper hand.
On October 20 2012 07:23 adriftt wrote: Its funny because myself + all my friends from DOTA/HoN were the same. Talked about how casual LoL was because you couldn't deny creeps ECT. Then we started playing and haven't touched DOTA since.
There's a very big difference between something being easy, and something being simple. LoL is incredibly complex at the higher levels and that's why there can be a professional scene. No one would want to watch something that is easy and that they can do themselves. However they WILL watch something that is simple to understand and interpret coz u get the hang of the game really fast, but there is a big difference between well-executed, expert plays compared to average pubs. To me it's like football. simple, but not easy to master.
well i dont know about that. i really like lol, but i dont see that lol is incredibly complex at any lvl. there are a few things you have to do better at high lvl of play like time the cooldowns (summoners and ultis) and understand which fight you can actually win, but in relation to both of the starcraft games and dota its kinda easy. the most fun (for me atleast) to watch in the lol proscene is that i have the feeling i know the players better than in sc2 (like tsm, clg na/eu and moscow5). till now there arent koreans/asians stomping EVERYONE. you could argue the season2 finals told a different story, but i think the EU teams were pretty descent and if the NA teams would take lol more seriously, the skillgap would close pretty fast. sry for my bad english, its pretty late here^^
Korea's only formally had LoL for less than a year.
Give it another 6 months, the gap is going to be enormous.
The gap's never going to become enormous due to the nature of the game, but with all the major corporate sponsors in Korea lining up Kespa-style and the amount of Korean pro teams exceeding the amount of pro teams in all of EU / NA, it's indeed only a matter of time before Koreans gain the upper hand.
On October 20 2012 07:23 adriftt wrote: Its funny because myself + all my friends from DOTA/HoN were the same. Talked about how casual LoL was because you couldn't deny creeps ECT. Then we started playing and haven't touched DOTA since.
There's a very big difference between something being easy, and something being simple. LoL is incredibly complex at the higher levels and that's why there can be a professional scene. No one would want to watch something that is easy and that they can do themselves. However they WILL watch something that is simple to understand and interpret coz u get the hang of the game really fast, but there is a big difference between well-executed, expert plays compared to average pubs. To me it's like football. simple, but not easy to master.
well i dont know about that. i really like lol, but i dont see that lol is incredibly complex at any lvl. there are a few things you have to do better at high lvl of play like time the cooldowns (summoners and ultis) and understand which fight you can actually win, but in relation to both of the starcraft games and dota its kinda easy. the most fun (for me atleast) to watch in the lol proscene is that i have the feeling i know the players better than in sc2 (like tsm, clg na/eu and moscow5). till now there arent koreans/asians stomping EVERYONE. you could argue the season2 finals told a different story, but i think the EU teams were pretty descent and if the NA teams would take lol more seriously, the skillgap would close pretty fast. sry for my bad english, its pretty late here^^
Korea's only formally had LoL for less than a year.
Give it another 6 months, the gap is going to be enormous.
The gap's never going to become enormous due to the nature of the game, but with all the major corporate sponsors in Korea lining up Kespa-style and the amount of Korean pro teams exceeding the amount of pro teams in all of EU / NA, it's indeed only a matter of time before Koreans gain the upper hand.
u mustve missed this recent big tournament
The one that TPA won, in which they stomped the best Korean team to the ground? Not exactly a great indicator for the coming Korean era.
What is a great indicator, though, is the corporate sponsors in Korea switching to LoL, each sponsoring 1-2 teams. The amount of new pro LoL teams that have entered the Korean scene in the last few months is nothing less than a flood. That tells me, above tournament results, that this game is going to have a Korean advantage in the future.
On October 22 2012 03:14 Azarkon wrote: The one that TPA won, in which they stomped the best Korean team to the ground? Not exactly a great indicator for the coming Korean era.
Or you can say this: the Koreans didn't lose a series to anyone except for TPA. Both Korean teams 3-0'd their respective groups easily and won their series to everyone that wasn't named TPA.
You could argue that World's made Korea out to be the strongest region. TPA is an anomaly among Taiwanese team--borne out of the fact that 3 of its 5 players have experience going back all the way to season 1 and beta. The other Taiwanese teams are trash-tier compared to TPA (not just playing against TPA, but they also perform poorly in Chinese/Pan-Asian events as well). By comparison, the top 4 or 5 Korean teams are all of around similar level to one another. Unlike China, Europe, and Taiwan that have a small number of stand-out teams ahead of the pack (WE/IG, CLG.EU/M5, TPA), Korean LoL has a systematically high level of play, which in turn entails much larger potential for growth.
On October 22 2012 03:14 Azarkon wrote: The one that TPA won, in which they stomped the best Korean team to the ground? Not exactly a great indicator for the coming Korean era.
Or you can say this: the Koreans didn't lose a series to anyone except for TPA. Both Korean teams 3-0'd their respective groups easily and won their series to everyone that wasn't named TPA.
That's just the way the brackets played out - by that token, had M5 not met TPA, there's a decent shot that it was them in the grand finals and not Azubu Frost. After all, they performed the best out of all teams against TPA. None of the other teams came near to matching TPA.
On October 22 2012 03:41 TheYango wrote: You could argue that World's made Korea out to be the strongest region. TPA is an anomaly among Taiwanese team--borne out of the fact that 3 of its 5 players have experience going back all the way to season 1 and beta. The other Taiwanese teams are trash-tier compared to TPA (not just playing against TPA, but they also perform poorly in Chinese/Pan-Asian events as well). By comparison, the top 4 or 5 Korean teams are all of around similar level to one another. Unlike China, Europe, and Taiwan that have a small number of stand-out teams ahead of the pack (WE/IG, CLG.EU/M5, TPA), Korean LoL has a systematically high level of play, which in turn entails much larger potential for growth.
Having excellent training environments, sponsors, and partners is going to pull Korea ahead of the rest in the coming months. The infrastructure that exists there simply does not exist elsewhere. Imagine Apple, Microsoft, and Boeing having their own LoL teams and training facilities - that's the equivalent of what Korea has.
Korea has only had this game for ~6-8 months, the rest of the world has had this game for years. Given time, with the sheer amount of resources devoted to esports in Korea, it is inevitable that Koreans will come to dominate the scene.
Wonder which MVP team he'll be playing for. Does MVP have a distinct A and B team?
In the Summer season, Blue was the only one to make it in The Champions but they stoped in the group stages; White has won the NLB (which is like Code A) and Red failed to make it out of the NLB group stage.
White and Blue are constantly in qualifiers, Chinese tournaments, Battle Royal, etc. but Red has been off the radar since NLB.
On October 20 2012 07:06 AsnSensation wrote: tbh I think the most succesful people on the League scene with a starcraft background right now are Nal-ra, Reach and Yellow lol
Pretty sure among the current top korean teams there is no ex sc player, might change in the future though if more switch over and as a former slayers fan I hope Coca and Puzzle will be decently succesful.
Wonder which MVP team he'll be playing for. Does MVP have a distinct A and B team?
In the Summer season, Blue was the only one to make it in The Champions but they stoped in the group stages; White has won the NLB (which is like Code A) and Red failed to make it out of the NLB group stage.
White and Blue are constantly in qualifiers, Chinese tournaments, Battle Royal, etc. but Red has been off the radar since NLB.
Red is disbanded. KT got some remaining MVP Red players if I recall correctly.
This game between Najin shield and Ares. Ares farming kills, shield's nidalee farming towers. 37 minutes into the game: kills are 12:2 in favor of Ares while Najin killed 7 towers (lost two) and has the gold advantage. Nidalee running around the map, splitpushing and always escaping the 5 man ganks. Najin succesfully defending towers and Baron 4v5 all the time.
I'm really glad that at least if LoL is going to blow up globally, that korea will be leading the charge. Up to this point, I have been extremely turned off by the immaturity and unprofessional demeanor of the professional LoL players in the western world. The Korean esports machine and organizations will really step things up and force the other regions to be more serious and act more mature. ( hopefully we will never see a ARAM game in a major tournament final ever again for just one example). This in turn might bring the LoL community to be a little more behaved..probably wont get to the level of discourse in the sc community but at least it will improve over the likes of CoD/Xbox live level.
However, if you are one of those foreigner vs korean people(I am not), there is definitely reason to worry about the future of western teams, because you can be sure the Asians are going to be scarier and scarier the more time they are playing and organizing!
On October 24 2012 22:33 Irre wrote: I'm really glad that at least if LoL is going to blow up globally, that korea will be leading the charge. Up to this point, I have been extremely turned off by the immaturity and unprofessional demeanor of the professional LoL players in the western world. The Korean esports machine and organizations will really step things up and force the other regions to be more serious and act more mature. ( hopefully we will never see a ARAM game in a major tournament final ever again for just one example). This in turn might bring the LoL community to be a little more behaved..probably wont get to the level of discourse in the sc community but at least it will improve over the likes of CoD/Xbox live level.
However, if you are one of those foreigner vs korean people(I am not), there is definitely reason to worry about the future of western teams, because you can be sure the Asians are going to be scarier and scarier the more time they are playing and organizing!
Yea we'll see if the western teams can pull their shit together this time around and keep up with the Koreans. Judging by how things look, I highly doubt it. 5 guys in a frat house is not going to cut it. It's just going to be EG all over again.
And that ARAM game at MLG was an embarrassment. Whats even worse was that /r/lol actually defended it. It's that kind of immaturity that makes me want the Koreans dominate even more.
On October 24 2012 21:21 Redox wrote: ^ Thanks. Games seem to be bo5.
Would warrant its own thread imo.
I did not make one because the games are only qualifiers and the real season starts at 9th november. Second reason is that the games always have a clear favorite. I expect them to be like 3:0 everytime :/
On October 26 2012 05:41 Eladir wrote: Great news by OGN. Only flaw remaining is not being HD quality, hopefully that happens soon and OGN will be perfect.
EPT
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