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On October 18 2012 13:03 Scip wrote:
His amazing laning might also get hit by phage and triforce nerfs. I am really happy about it, I just hate triforce as a concept and how it builds from 3 seemingly random items to give you everything at once just makes it a terribly difficult item to comprehend. Maybe people won't laugh at me for going Wriggles Wit's End Jax anymore? (not reccomended, this is what I call a "personal playstyle" :p)
Fuck triforce, I build cutlass first on Jax so I have that 100% accurate slow too. 
Well... then I switch to triforce. But sheen and more MS too good. for the record I'd probably build a mix of FH-wit's-GA as last items depending on the team's needs and whatnot. I believe FH is strong on Jax because cdr allows him more W to slip more ult procs in, he nevers says no to some mana in long fights, and the passive is pretty good for a dude basically (re)designed to trash AD carries.
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On October 18 2012 13:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
If they kill Ez's W like that, what is really the point of it other than to be a slightly different line skillshot?
There is no way they'd release a champion today with 2 skills so unbelievably similar without something added to it.
Still has utility. Even at current AP ratio, W max will still hurt. In team fights, Ez has to choose between doing additional damage or shoot that godly W to speed up his entire team's AS.
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Why did clg have the only member of their team without flash scouting for the blitz invade?
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On October 18 2012 13:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Who's the support sub for CLG NA?
No one.
No team except Crs.na has announced who their sub for S3 is.
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On October 18 2012 13:09 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:03 Scip wrote:
His amazing laning might also get hit by phage and triforce nerfs. I am really happy about it, I just hate triforce as a concept and how it builds from 3 seemingly random items to give you everything at once just makes it a terribly difficult item to comprehend. Maybe people won't laugh at me for going Wriggles Wit's End Jax anymore? (not reccomended, this is what I call a "personal playstyle" :p) Fuck triforce, I build cutlass first on Jax so I have that 100% accurate slow too. Well... then I switch to triforce. But sheen and more MS too good. for the record I'd probably build a mix of FH-wit's-GA as last items depending on the team's needs and whatnot. I believe FH is strong on Jax because cdr allows him more W to slip more ult procs in, he nevers says no to some mana in long fights, and the passive is pretty good for a dude basically (re)designed to trash AD carries.
They need Cutlass to build into more (at least one more) thing.
Brutalizer could use another too.
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On October 18 2012 13:04 SgtSquiglz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 12:59 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 18 2012 12:57 SgtSquiglz wrote:On October 18 2012 12:53 iaeuy wrote:On October 18 2012 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow these nerfs. Pretty huge, and necessary. I'm kinda hopping this stops people from playing Eve so only the diehard fans still bust her out..... I feel the same about ezreal, still havent bothered to even learn W max ezreal If they buff Q max ez while nerfing W though there's a fair chance he'll still be played a lot, Q max is still strong I'm pretty sure this nerf would be the end of AD ezreal, at least in competitive play. I was under the impression that Ezreal went from never played to top tier once people went from Q max to W max. wat? No, it would not kill AD Ez. Just make him not as roflstomp in lane. >_> Okay, maybe I exaggerated a bit, but without ANY as debuff W, wouldn't he just get rolled in any trades? I dunno, maybe I'm overly worried, but I enjoy playing ez when its my turn to AD and I just have a tough time imagining winning trades with say a corki or graves when W only does 70 base damage and brings no additional benefit/AD ratio (since no need to level it up anymore in lane).
I think they don't want Ez to trade close range like that, it is all about poking from a safe distance and staying just out of range/dodging with E. His lategame is still really good because of his poke before a fight and his positioning with E once the fight starts. People will probably drop him in soloQ until another tournament rolls around and pros still stomp with him.
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BalIs deserves to be camped. He's using an armed skin for Jax. :<
On October 18 2012 13:11 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:09 Alaric wrote:On October 18 2012 13:03 Scip wrote:
His amazing laning might also get hit by phage and triforce nerfs. I am really happy about it, I just hate triforce as a concept and how it builds from 3 seemingly random items to give you everything at once just makes it a terribly difficult item to comprehend. Maybe people won't laugh at me for going Wriggles Wit's End Jax anymore? (not reccomended, this is what I call a "personal playstyle" :p) Fuck triforce, I build cutlass first on Jax so I have that 100% accurate slow too. Well... then I switch to triforce. But sheen and more MS too good. for the record I'd probably build a mix of FH-wit's-GA as last items depending on the team's needs and whatnot. I believe FH is strong on Jax because cdr allows him more W to slip more ult procs in, he nevers says no to some mana in long fights, and the passive is pretty good for a dude basically (re)designed to trash AD carries. They need Cutlass to build into more (at least one more) thing. Brutalizer could use another too.
I complete the gunblade after triforce, it's just that the full gunblade first isn't that appealing to me. Phage gives some tankiness in lane, sheen burst, and zeal stats that while not core are pretty good on Jax (needs to stick and auto swiftly to chase stutter-stepping carries), while cutlass->gunblade is mostly useful in long fights where the spellvamp is going to heal a lot. It's not suited to lane trades to me, and anyway once you have triforce you've got some AP to go with the incoming revolver so it's gonna be a "better" spellvamp when you get it anyway.
I really like the ability to "burst" heal with a WQ followed by an ult proc during a fight. It's probably a bias coming from clutch plays I remember tho.
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On October 18 2012 13:10 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Who's the support sub for CLG NA? No one. No team except Crs.na has announced who their sub for S3 is.
I meant who's the guy playing for CLG right now in the IPL thing
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On October 18 2012 12:52 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 12:49 Sufficiency wrote:On October 18 2012 12:39 chalice wrote:
im a low elo player and sufficiency and vaporized have stood out head and shoulders above everyone else in this forum as giving by far the worst strategy and build advice.
like i'm pretty sure vaporized has to be trolling after he called out theyango for putting zero effort into his posts and just parroting what other people say, my impression is that that's almost the complete opposite of reality. That's not the point. If I gave you bad advices I sincerely apologize. It is not my intention to give you bad advices. The problem is that zulu_nation8 could insult other TLers on this subforum without fear of moderation because he is a "forum veteran". Like I have said, if you post "everything you post is dumb" on GD you will certainly be moderated. Bly got warned for his "everything you post is dumb". So let that go. afaik, Vaporized is probably worst offender atm when it comes to "bad" opinions. I haven't made up my mind about you yet but people have said you are too. I'll check your history tomorrow and see how it is.
I am not sure what you are getting at. Are you saying you want to moderate me because I try to give bad advices? I assure you my intentions are righteous - I am trying to contribute.
No one can honestly say that they know everything about the league, not even the top pro players. Everyone can be wrong even though he is on good faith. The game is also rapidly changing; the scale of power reverses with every patch - it is difficult for an individual to be able to keep track of all the trends.
If my Janna guide is bad, fine, you can nuke it. But it was definitely not a troll guide - I felt that the old Janna guide was way too outdated and I was trying to make a new one. I am sorry if my expertise is lacking, but I did spent considerable amount of time constructing it.
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So for being a must win for CLG its not starting out so well. Lets see that split push strat engage.
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On October 18 2012 13:11 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:10 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 18 2012 13:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Who's the support sub for CLG NA? No one. No team except Crs.na has announced who their sub for S3 is. I meant who's the guy playing for CLG right now in the IPL thing
Oh, i am derp.
She's the support for Skarnold's team actually. Just a female, solo q support player. No biggie.
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On October 18 2012 13:11 Alaric wrote:
BalIs deserves to be camped. He's using an armed skin for Jax. :<
They should've made a janitor Jax skin using one of those brooms instead or something.
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On October 18 2012 13:12 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 12:52 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 18 2012 12:49 Sufficiency wrote:On October 18 2012 12:39 chalice wrote:
im a low elo player and sufficiency and vaporized have stood out head and shoulders above everyone else in this forum as giving by far the worst strategy and build advice.
like i'm pretty sure vaporized has to be trolling after he called out theyango for putting zero effort into his posts and just parroting what other people say, my impression is that that's almost the complete opposite of reality. That's not the point. If I gave you bad advices I sincerely apologize. It is not my intention to give you bad advices. The problem is that zulu_nation8 could insult other TLers on this subforum without fear of moderation because he is a "forum veteran". Like I have said, if you post "everything you post is dumb" on GD you will certainly be moderated. Bly got warned for his "everything you post is dumb". So let that go. afaik, Vaporized is probably worst offender atm when it comes to "bad" opinions. I haven't made up my mind about you yet but people have said you are too. I'll check your history tomorrow and see how it is. I am not sure what you are getting at. Are you saying you want to moderate me because I try to give bad advices? I assure you my intentions are righteous - I am trying to contribute. No one can honestly say that they know everything about the league, not even the top pro players. Everyone can be wrong even though he is on good faith. The game is also rapidly changing; the scale of power reverses with every patch - it is difficult for an individual to be able to keep track of all the trends. If my Janna guide is bad, fine, you can nuke it. But it was definitely not a troll guide - I felt that the old Janna guide was way too outdated and I was trying to make a new one. I am sorry if my expertise is lacking, but I did spent considerable amount of time constructing it.
Want to be righteous? Be the better man and just drop it.
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Oh snap. I understand BalIs' decision to go back in case Olaf had enough HP for E, but still, that's too bad, Olaf barely living and an oracle lost. 
Also red buff Kennen's so annoying. He's sort of an AP version of Teemo if that one wasn't viable as AP.
WOW Chauster 4 hp on Corki now, mME must be hitting themselves quite hard.
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I will elaborate in detail on any opinions posted in this thread that I disagree with for the next week.
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On October 18 2012 13:17 Alaric wrote:Oh snap. I understand BalIs' decision to go back in case Olaf had enough HP for E, but still, that's too bad, Olaf barely living and an oracle lost. Also red buff Kennen's so annoying. He's sort of an AP version of Teemo if that one wasn't viable as AP.
Kennen is like a Teemo that can stun you into a rage coma.
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Has anyone else tried janna jungle? it's pretty broken honestly.
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AD Janna? I'd believe her early damage on Q is too low to clear remotely fast.
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On October 18 2012 13:18 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I will elaborate in detail on any opinions posted in this thread that I disagree with for the next week.
That includes midgame Shurelyas and pure defensive items like Aegis on Amumu, mkay? It was mostly me talking and I didn't really give you time to give detailed explanation yourself :3
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On October 18 2012 13:20 Alaric wrote:
AD Janna? I'd believe her early damage on Q is too low to clear remotely fast.
I admit the early clears aren't tier one but once you get greaves + a vamp the combo with your E is unstoppable.
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