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[S2 Worlds Preview] The Calm Before The Storm

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Last Edited: 2015-10-09 22:38:53
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It has come to this. After an entire year, teams have fought their way for the right to attend the Season 2 World Championships. They have fought over Circuit Points. They have fought over Regional Seeds. They have fought for Championship Seeds. Now, twelve teams will arrive in Los Angeles to prove themselves. They come not only to prove that they deserve to stand on the stage as the very best the world has to offer, but to prove something. To prove that they are a winner. To prove that their sacrifices they have made were worth it. To prove that dropping out of school and throwing themselves at the mercy that is the reality of eSports was the right decision. To prove to their fans that their dedication and love has not been misplaced.

But most importantly, to prove their dreams are real.

Never before has this much global talent been concentrated in such a small place. We have seen the long standing rivalries between North America and Europe. We have seen the might that the Koreans and Chinese bring to bear against those who enter their domain. But this represents the first time that the different paradigms each region represents truly clash in open combat. Who can forget the last time we saw the clash of cultures? Azubu Blaze making their mark on American soil and continuing the tradition of Koreans taking MLG money. Moscow Five always staying one step ahead of North America at the IEM World Championships. And each time we have seen some of the most spectacular games ever played.

The Season 1 Champions etched their mark into the history and conscience of League of Legends. It destroyed the nascent style of roam and ingrained the AD-Support and zero-cs meta in the brains of players everywhere. It forced upon the idea of Double AP. The Season 2 Championships represents more than just a trophy and money. It is the event that will set the tone for the rest of the year, and into Season 3. Even those who do not watch competitive League of Legends will feels its effects filter down into semi-competitive play, amateur play and solo queue. Just imagine how different League of Legends would have been today if in Season 1 people had approached problems with different solutions. And realise just how important the Season 2 Championships will be on the community hive-mind.

The date has been set. In less than a week's time on October 4th, we shall see the Fields of Justice bathed in blood once more. In the meantime, slake your thirst on our top five moments from Season 2. If you're new to competitive League of Legends, check out our Team Overview! Feel like your pitchfork has been unloved recently? Go start a fight after reading out Power Rank! Or see which TeamLiquid Editor is going to show just how little they know about the competitive scene in our Editor Predictions!

I also would like to take this opportunity personally thank everyone who's stuck by us since the beginning of the TeamLiquid League of Legends coverage. We've not been the fastest or the most accurate, but I hope you find we're still the best! We have some big things planned for our Season 2 post-Worlds Coverage so stay tuned! TeamLiquid will also have a small press corp at the Championships event in Los Angeles so if you see us, feel free to come over and say hi. We won't bite! (Maybe. )

Signing off,
MoonBear




Table of Contents


Season 2 Top 5 Moments

Team Overview

Power Rank

Editor predictions


Season 2 Top 5 Moments

Watch it happen all over again


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Empire Wombo Combo


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Welcome to the first part of our Worlds Coverage: the nostalgic part! Here, we're going to present what we think are the five top memorable moments from Season 2. So, let's get cracking shall we?

It is hard to believe that Moscow Five were once a team no one had heard of before. But video is the first time many of us first met the five players who would soon take over the League of Legends scene. And thus would rise The European Empire.

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Uszat and League of Legends


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One of the most memorable moments in League of Legends in Season 2 comes not from the Fields of Justice and Summoner's Rift, but from the floors of Intel Extreme Masters New York. A normal interview slowly goes awry ad poor Scarra is subjected to Carmac Uszat's questioning and spawns a meme.

(P.S. We love you Scarra)

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CC is nothing to CaptJack


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Korean commentators and big plays. This is what ESPORTS(tm) is about.

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Misaya's Twisted Bait


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When you think of "aggressive Twisted Fates", most people generally think of Reginald. They cite his aggressive use of Destiny/Gate (R) and how he 'ports into the other team as a method of initiation. But Reginald has nothing on Misaya's Twisted Fate. There's a really good reason many teams have his TF on permaban status, like HotShot Nidalee once was.

Not only does Misaya incredibly aggressively initiate in the clip above and bait the other team into thinking they can win a fight they actually have no chance of winning, he makes it out taking barely any damage. And did you notice him completely dodging all the CC and Ultimates that were thrown at him? Sheesh.

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Dreamhack 2012 - CLG.eu v Moscow Five


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Your back is against the wall. You're facing Moscow Five, the most dominant team that League of Legends has seen. You've been down 30k gold but somehow you've closed the gap to a "mere" 20k gold difference. If history is any precedent, you have absolutely no chance of winning this game. The statistics say you can't beat Moscow Five. The books say that coming back from such a deficit is unheard of. But not for CLG.eu.

No further description is necessary. This video speaks for itself.

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Team Overview

By: Chiharu Harukaze and MoonBear


If you've always been wondering just how each of the twelve teams compare against each other and who exactly plays on each team, check out the infographic we've put together for you. (Click on the image for a larger version. Warning: Full version is very large.) Also, do check out the ggChronicles Season 2 Preview articles. They're well written and are great for people new to the competitive and regular follows alike who want a quick read that gives them the low-down on each team.

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TeamLiquid Power Rank

By: MoonBear, Chiharu Harukaze, JBright, Neollusions, TheYango, nyxnyxnyx


TL Power Rank

We here at TeamLiquid have spotted an alarming problem in the League of Legends community: there simply hasn't been any drama recently! We have a reputation as the most childish, casual and immature game to keep up, and while we've all be content to be "mature" and "sensible" the other eSports communities have found ways to keep the soap opera going.

To rectify this glaring issue, we have decided to publish a Power Rank. This is a list where we rank all your favourite teams in a complete unfair and biased way and no one is allowed to agree or get along with each other. In fact, even the TeamLiquid Editors don't even agree on what we even published. It's THAT controversial.

Disclaimer
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The Power Rank does not represent who we think will win the Season 2 World Championships. Instead, the Power Rank is supposed to represent which teams we feel are the strongest overall, balanced over a range of factors. Who would come out best if they played everyone else in the world a hundred times? Which teams have had good tournament results recently? Have there been any big changes in the teams recently? These are several things we think about coming to these results.

Please note that the Power Rank does not suggest that a higher seeded team is better than a lower seeded team.

The TeamLiquid Staff also deny any and all rumours that we own multiple pitchfork and torch companies and that we are simply trying to make cheap money. We would never stoop that low.

(Maybe)



#12: [image loading] Saigon Jokers
Some of you may remember Team Xan. They came into the Season 1 World Championships and took a game off TSM with a Kayle + Mordekaiser combo (back when Gunblade-Morde was sleeper OP) but then failed to do anything noteworthy. If you don't remember them for that, then you probably remember them for this interview.

This is what the Saigon Jokers reminds us of. Sure, they beat the Singapore Sentinels. But this is a team that before the SEA Regional Qualifiers, had never beaten SGS. At the same time, SGS is not the greatest of teams to use as a benchmark for success. They also have an even worse record against the Taipei Assassins and are barely scraping a positive Win/Loss ratio in the Garena Premier League. However, what they have is the advantage of surprise. SAJ regularly practise 1v2 AP bot lane, which sometimes resembles the "suicide off-lane" in DotA. This is definitely helped by the DotA background several of their players, such as their AP Player Nixwater, have. In addition, the SEA server has seen multiple styles of "counter-jungling" cheese. While so far experimentation seems rough and unrefined, it is not out of the question that we see something absolutely ridiculous come out in a similar vein to the Malzahar-Soraka cheese we saw in the Korea Regional Qualifiers.

No team in Group A can really count SAJ out due to the threat they pose in a Bo1 Group Stage. But at the same time, there's no denying it. SAJ are the weakest team out of the twelve.

#11: [image loading] Taipei Assassins (TPA)
The Taipei Assassins are on odd bunch. Earlier this year they seemed anaemic at WCG 2011. But then they were incredibly scary and smacking people left and right. And now they're in one of the biggest slumps of their career for almost no apparent reason. While cynically you can match their slump with the release of Diablo III, more realistically it might just be that everyone else around them have gotten better. TPA is still top-dog in their part of the world, crushing their Regional Qualifier and continuing to dominate the Garena Proleague. But the segregation of regional servers seems to be hurting them greatly. At the end of the day, practise is dependant on who you can practise, which matters a lot when many players rely on solo queue to practise.

So where exactly do TPA stand? TPA have been training hard recently, and it's hard to say. On one hand, they have players like Stanley who once stated that the counter to Kennen was Vladimir, and the counter to Vladimir was Kennen. He also enjoys building triple gp10 on Shen, starting with a Philo Stone, getting a Kage and then a HoG. This only works because he's that good at top lane and is not recommended for solo queue. But their teamfights recently have been messy, and their focus has been lax. In their show match against CLG.eu at their Regional Qualifiers, they just couldn't stay as a cohesive unit under pressure. That will be the hurdle they need to cross. But if they can cross it though, they have a wide range of strategies they can run. For example, who even plays Trundle any more? TPA, that's who. And imagine what you can do with max-CDR Trundle who can keep his... Pillar... up permanently. (Please see a doctor if this happens to you however.) They've also been ahead of the curve in itemisation theory, such as getting Spirit Visage on several champions.

Fun fact: Did you know Lilballz, Bigfatjiji and Classick used to be in the same WoW Guild and raid together? Then one day Classick got a job at Riot and told Lilballz and Jiji to come play this game called "League of something". And the rest is history. Lilballz is also hilarious btw.

#10: [image loading] SK Gaming (SK)
SK Gaming has been probably one of the most volatile teams in the League of Legends scene. It's not just their roster, but their performance seems to fluctuate too. They've been showing a good performances since Yellowstar joined but at the European Regionals, they were absolutely crushed by Moscow Five in the finals. Ocelote did say that they "went partying after winning semis so we got stomped against M5 at Gamescom." But SK still have a problem. They haven't proved themselves enough yet to be up there.

SK's game is emotional. They snowball hard when they do well, but they tilt when they do badly. And it reflects itself in their play style. When SK win the laning phase, they go on to make a mess in the midgame. But if they lose the laning phase, they're always struggling. They are a team who decides their own future early into the game. And this is their biggest problem. Many other teams can be flexible in how they want to play their game. SK has far fewer strategies and counter-strategies they tend to run. They have a game plan, they go into a game, and they execute it. And if you only have one plan, you need to be really good at it. Otherwise, your inflexibility means that teams can out-ban and pick you, and then out-play you on virtue of team composition.

While their recent results have been good, SK is still a team that needs to prove themselves. And that's why they're still in the lower half of the power rank.

#9: [image loading] Counter Logic Gaming Prime (CLG.na)
Counter Logic Gaming is one of the oldest self-made brands in League of Legends. After a brilliant start at IEM Cologne in 2011, we've seen CLG.na just peter out. The world evolved around them, and CLG just couldn't adapt. Individually, they're all very skilled. But that's not enough to hang with the best. So what can we say about CLG then?

CLG's performance is all going to come down to Jiji. Like their brother team CLG.eu, CLG.na can play the late game well. They can split push. They can let Doublelift carry them. All they need to do, is create space for 2xLift. This is where Jiji comes in. As the second position carry, there's a lot of responsibility on him to do well. If he can win his lane, it opens up so much control and presence for CLG. It lets Doublelift farm and it lets HotShot pressure. But when Jiji fails, everything else fails for CLG. They lose jungle and map presence. Chauster and Doublelift get constantly dove. Voyboy falls behind from pressure. CLG.na have a lot of experience in playing from behind, but at this level of play you should not be going into a game assuming your lanes are going to fail. You need to win lanes, and then play from there.

So, it's all up to you Jiji. No pressure.

#8: [image loading] Dignitas (Dig)
Team Dignitas has been part of the North American Trioka for just about a year now since their 1st place finish at IPL3 in Atlantic City. The team had just been picked up by Dignitas and they took the crown after taking out CLG.na and Epik Gamer. Then they went on a run of five top 3 finishes over the course of the next 6 months to really solidify themselves as one of the best in North America. The team's potential was questioned after the departure of Voyboy and L0CUST, but their replacements Crumbzz and Patoy have more than answered the call when they took 2nd place at the North American Regional Championships.

This is a team that has been known to think up some "cheesy" strats and use them to great effects at major tournaments. Who could forget the Super-Heals mass-Support Kog'Maw strat that they pulled out early at IPL4 to get into the Winners Finals? Or their recent addition of the poke-comp at the North American Regionals? And it would be remiss to not mention the Double-AP Skarner strategy that Dignitas loves to run. In the case of the World Championships, all eyes will be every single game during the playoffs and any cheese will be figured out very quickly. Dignitas can use multiple surprises to make it out of the group stage, but in the end they will need to rely on their mechanics if they want to go even farther. This is where they're going to run into problems. Scarra is notorious for getting camped mid lane, and Crumbzz has shown shaky performance top lane, especially on Rumble. That places a lot of pressure onto Qtiepie and Patoy to carry the team.

For Dignitas, a lot of their games are going to come down to the picks/bans. They need to get themselves team comps they are both comfortable playing with, but also give them flexibility. For example, Crumbzz has shown himself to be absolutely dominating on Jax, but often shut down on Rumble when he's not bee supported. This is the weakness teams will be looking to exploit against them.

#7: [image loading] World Elite (WE)
World Elite were once one of the most feared teams in the world. They beat CLG.na to take first place at IEM Guangzhou. They crushed through the Chinese competition and were so good that they were given a direct invite to the Season 2 World Championships before CLG.eu even competed in their first major tournament. That's how good they were. How the mighty have fallen. World Elite bombed out of OGN Azubu The Champions to CLG.eu 2-0 and couldn't even pass Round 2 of IPL Face Off. What's more, in the last two months they've undergone roster changes, swapping out their Jungler and Support. Yet some how they managed to beat Invictus Gaming 2-0 in the finals of the Ultimate Game Tournament just this week.

World Elite play a very Chinese DotA style of play, with clearly defined roles for first to fifth position. Misaya is their tempo maker in second position, while WeiXiao is their first position in the 4-protect-1 who will crush the opposition. They are safe, conservative and solid. And that's been the reason for their continued success. In fact, it is perhaps best to draw parallels to CLG.eu and their cold and Chinese play style. The difference however is that Chinese play emphasises positional play very heavily. It focuses on always recognising the problem, and then executing the right answer. This is something that does not fair well for top lane and jungling. (Which is rather amusing, given that the top lane in LoL has many parallels to the mid lane in DotA. But that is a discussion for another time.) The Chinese server also has a distinct lack of good junglers to learn and adapt from. Jungling is one of the positions that is most dependent on experience and game sense, compared to mid or bot lane where a lot of the emphasis is on mechanics. It's then perhaps unsurprising that WE's strengths lie in its carries.

If WE manages to get the right experience to bring CaoMei and ClearLove to the same level as Misaya, the world should be very afraid. But for now, the two new additions are solid, but not quite good enough to break into the top half of the power rank.

#6: [image loading] NaJin Sword
NaJin Sword combine with World Elite to represent the half-way mark. It's the point at which you become more than just a contender, but a big enough threat that you walk around with a target on your back and people try to trip you over as you walk down the corridor.

Bad analogies aside, NaJin Sword can be summed up in one word: Maknoon. He has definitely been the driving power behind Najin Sword's performance this season, being an unstoppable force in lane and a great play maker overall. Maknoon left his old team Najin Shield in the hands of Mokuza and started up a new one after the summer season. And together with AP mid player Ssong it has been nothing but ups. Sure the other players on his team perform well, but that is due to his leadership. He controls his lane and can comfortably command the rest of the team, as well as pulling out surprising new champions. He played Rengar several times in the Korean Qualifiers and won. He's played Nidalee in Skarner team comps where the AP should be instead, and won. And if he doesn't feel that these are sufficient he can always play Malphite, Jayce, Shen or Irelia. But Maknoon is also the Achilles Heel of NaJin Sword. If he underperforms, his team under-performs. Najin Sword is the team where "win lane, win game" applies most to.

#5: [image loading] Counter Logic Gaming Europe (CLG.eu)
Counter Logic Gaming Europe is one of the biggest success stories in Season 2. After Wickd and Snoopeh split from SK Gaming, they picked up several players from a little-known team called Infused (who are familiar to DotA watchers) and then proceeded to smack face. Again, you really have to ask yourself: Where exactly to players like Froggen hide unknown despite being so damn good?

CLG.eu are perhaps the closest thing to a Chinese DotA Team we have seen in League of Legends tournaments, despite being not Chinese. Their cold and efficient style of play revolves around Froggen an Snoopeh controlling the temp of the game, before curving out into the late game and crushing people. Their teamfights are excellent, their positional play is strong. And it shows, as they are still the only team to take a finals from under the nose of Moscow Five and launch one of the biggest comebacks in League of Legends.

CLG.eu are out to prove themselves after a reverse sweep at OGN Azubu The Champions Summer 2012, and the blow they took from SK Gaming. But like CLG.na they have one key advantage over every other team in the tournament. They have two practise partners in the form of their compatriot CLG team in the World Championships, and also CLG Black. That gives them the unique opportunity to test against and with lots of strategies as well as plan out picks/bans long before they even arrive in on stage. And they have a good grasp over League of Legends theory too. Snoopeh was one of the first players to really start jungle Karthus and once played jungle Blitzcrank in the old jungle too.

CLG is going to be prepared, and they're going to make a mark at Worlds. So Froggen, Charm Me Maybe?

#4: [image loading] Invictus Gaming (iG)
Invictus Gaming come into the World Championships with the pressure of their DotA team having swept Valve's The International 2012. They will have seen the lavish parties their billionaire team owner threw for the DotA team, with celebrities and fanfare all around. And they will likely want a piece of it too.

iG are the dark horse for the tournament. They have many similarities to modern Chinese DotA (unsurprisingly) which gives them a unique edge against every other team. They have a massive amount of flexibility and unpredictability thanks to their deep champion pools, especially on their mid player zz1tai. He can play Lee Sin, Jayce, Master Yi, Mordekaiser and Viktor. How many other mid plane players can even play half of those champions at a competitive level? The fact he plays Viktor alone gives him a TL seal of approval due to our rabid fascination with Viktor (who also ruins a lot of the push meta, although several conditions need to be met).

iG are going to play something incredibly cheesy. Except to them, they will be playing Standard. If that even makes any sense. The fact they could play a wildly different team composition or ten games straight shoots them up the Power Rank.

#3: [image loading] Team Solomid (TSM)
Once known as a perennial second place team in North America behind CLG Prime, Team SoloMid has shown us that hard work (and some talent) can take you to the top. Soon after the announcement of the $5 million Season 2 prize pool, TSM was the first team to invest in a gaming house. They also decided it should be in New York so they could practice against both North American and European teams. The first few months of this venture was not successful at all as they didn't make much of an impact at IEM New York or IPL3.

Look forward a few months and TSM is now the hottest NA team, dominating other North American teams at every offline tournament. They decided that they would practice the fundamentals of the game rather than go for crazy strategies that would throw off their opponents and that has worked in their favour against other NA teams. But now they need to face the world. TSM were completely wiped by Azubu Blaze, and have never won a series against Moscow Five. Being the best in your region is all dandy, but this is the World Championships, not the North American Championships.

TSM's greatest strength continues to be the fact that every lane is solid and has the potential to carry. That's possibly all they need. But at the same time, a lot of their initiation relies on Reginald. Even on champions such as Karthus, he will be happy to Flash right into the middle of his team and just die in order to initiate and then Press R. However, if he falls behind, their options rapidly shrink in number and they become increasingly reliant on either their other lanes crushing their opponents, or the opposition to make a mistake and dive them under tower. Admittedly, it's not a bad strategy. Chaox and Xpecial plays a solid bottom lane, Dyrus is 1hp juke master and for some reason, people really like diving TSM under their inhibitor towers. (See: MLG Summer Arena, North American Regionals)

#2: [image loading] Azubu Frost
The Koreans are the classic terror in Starcraft. They turn up to tournaments, they win tournaments. It's a fact of life. And now, they look to take out prize money in League of Legends too.

We all saw what Azubu Blaze did at MLG Summer Arena. (If you haven't, check out our analysis here.) Azubu Frost right now are probably the stronger of the two Azubu teams. Which doesn't bare well for everyone else. They're a very no-nonsense sort of team, that tends to play standard but also has a lot of flexibility in their team comps. MadLife in particular is going to be the biggest threat. He is quite possibly the best support player in the world, and one of the few support players whose champion pool expands outside of the traditional choices. What's more, he makes things like Lux and Zyra support work.

Azubu Frost's play is always about having control. Even when behind, they always try to exercise control in some form or another. Whether its through positional play, influencing the methods and opportunities for initiation to occur, or just straight up controlling the entire game, they play like their Starcraft brethren do: always be doing something. Many foreign teams have a weakness where they will faff around, not quite sure what they want to be accomplishing. Azubu Frost however have immaculate communication and game sense, which means they're always at least achieving something no matter how mundane or small. Their ability to understand game pacing is what really pushes them into the top three of the power rank. And this is what will make or break their games.

#1: [image loading] Moscow Five (M5)
Moscow Five is a name that is known world wide in the League of Legends scene. Changing from Empire to the M5 brand in December 2011, they have only lost one final at a LAN event and have only been beaten in a Bo3 at a LAN by CLG.eu. They've also had no lineup changes. They're an extremely stable, successful and scary team.

In many ways, Moscow Five live up to the reputation that Russian and Ukrainian DotA has set for them. When we think of successful Western DotA teams, often teams like Natus Vincere or Virtus Pro are mentioned. In some respects, Moscow Five continues the tradition. They are erratic, chaotic, aggressive, enigmatic. And they win. A lot.

The World Championships represents the first time they will face off against the Asian teams. And the Asian teams are raring to face Moscow Five. But as far as we are concerned, Moscow Five go into this tournament as the strongest team. And they rightly deserve their number one slot in the Power Rank.


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Editor Predictions

By: MoonBear, Chiharu Harukaze, JBright, NeoIllusions

So far, only Chiharu has been able to correctly predict the top three at every single event, although admittedly in the wrong order. Can Haruharu keep up the hot streak? Will JBright pull a Fionn again and accidentally curse a team into losing again? Or can NeoIllusions finally pick three right?

MoonBear:
Group A - Azubu`Frost, iG
Group B - NaJin Sword, CLG.eu

Top 4: Azubu`Frost, M5, iG, CLG.eu

Group A is very interesting. CLG.na have a real shot of making it out of the group, but will need to rely on cheese. I can't see them beating Frost or iG in a straight up game. They do have the advantage of two practise partners to create, refine and practise cheese with however. If they choose to cheese, they will have something prepared which they know works. SK on the other hand have no such luxury. They're strong, but I don't think they're strong enough to beat the teams from Asia. This really is a Group of Death though and the teams are going to fight to the bitter end.

In Group B the more solid and stable teams have the edge here. SAJ are the most interesting team surprisingly. They likely will be going all-out with cheese and non-standard play since they probably have no chance of advancing. If they take a single game off any team, it will likely ruin their chances of advancing or at the very least force a tie-breaker round. That means no team can afford to count them as a free win and will still have to work for their points. But that's a good thing.

Top 4 is honestly a mess. I've honestly just drawn names out of a hat from the top half of the Power Rank lol.


JBright:
Group A - Azubu Frost and iG
Group B - CLG.eu and NaJin Sword

Top 4, I'll say 1) Frost, 2) M5, 3/4) NaJin/CLG.eu.

With Frost playing in the groups, the 4 teams I predict to get out of the group stage look better than the 4 teams with the byes. In my opinion, only M5 could have a good chance of getting through to the semis without knowing who they will face in the first round. TSM tends to play better as the tournament goes on but their first match will be the quarterfinals so their chances of making top 4 will be low. World Elite and Taipei Assassins haven't made a splash for a few months so I almost expect their opponents to walk over them. If there is a team that could make a surprise run for 1st place, it would be iG. They are probably anxious to match their Dota 2 teammates at winning $1 million and they have shown that they can dominate NA teams even with a ping disadvantage.

As much as I would love for NA teams to do well, they just don't seem to have the dedication like teams from other regions. If there is one time I want my predictions to be completely off, this would be it.


NeoIllusions:
Group A: Azubu Frost + CLG.na
Group B: CLG.eu + NaJin

Top 4: M5, CLG.eu, Frost, NaJin

For Group A, Frost should have the easiest time making it out of group stage. They impressively reverse killed CLG.eu during the OGN The Champions Summer Finals and look to be the stronger Azubu team at the moment. The second seed, I'm going with my heart and say CLG.na. However, Group A has the biggest dark horse team, iG. Possibly the hottest "unknown" team right now, iG fans (especially those who know the team because of their DotA2 background) are just waiting for them to break out on the biggest stage this year.

Group B is a little more predictable, so I'm going with CLG.eu and NaJin. CLG.eu performs above average, regardless of where they play, online or off. They need to clean up their early game and allow Snoopeh to establish some sort of early game momentum. NaJin Sword, MAKNOON. This guy is big.

Top 4 is based off of consistency for this entire season, which means the finals should be M5's to lose. Koreans have impressive teamwork and synergy but I believe the Europeans are still a sliver ahead of the curve.


Chiharu Harukaze:
Got to get all my predictions right. No pressure.

Group A - iG, Azubu`Frost
Group B - CLG.eu, NaJin Sword

Top 4: M5, Azubu`Frost, TSM, NaJin

The group stages will likely turn out the same way everyone else has said. There are two clear favourites for each group, and in a Bo1 scenario it's best just to pick who you think has the resiliance to withstand cheese and keep on slugging it out.

Top 4 is where it gets interesting. If my group predictions stay correct, we're left with a scenario where every team has a legitimate chance to make it to the Finals (with the possivle exception of TPA). With Moscow Five, TSM and World Elite seeding directly into the bracket, it means that the earliest they have to face each other will be in the semifinals (aka top 4). But depending on how the pairings turn out from the group stage results, we could very well have one of the top teams eliminated before they even get there. A CLG.eu v Moscow Five pairing for instance could lead to a repeat of Dreamhack and see Moscow Five eliminated almost immedately. That's honestly pretty scary.

I have gone with gut instinct in placing my top 4. There's really no science behind it. If anyone can legitimately name who will make top 4 before even seeing what the bracket will look like and can justify it, I tip my hat off to you. It's not like The Inernational, where it was clear that the Chinese and Na`Vi were going to roll everyone, even before the event. Quite honestly, everyone in the top half of the Power Rank plus World Elite has a really good shot at making top 4, especially if they've been seeded into the Bracket and get a good pairing (e.g. Moscow Five facing CLG.eu who they know, as opposed to getting cheesed out by an Asian team).


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Omer
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September 30 2012 19:35 GMT
#2
Great write up, but the vods are bugged can't click hide/show on the 2-5th ones
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September 30 2012 19:36 GMT
#3
Amazing writeup and visuals, for a second I thought this was a major tournament coverage for SC2 or DotA 2.

Looking forward to Worlds!
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September 30 2012 19:38 GMT
#4
On October 01 2012 04:35 Omer wrote:
Great write up, but the vods are bugged can't click hide/show on the 2-5th ones


The code is a little buggy, so please bear with us.

To display the VOD, click on the "+" sign. Not "Show VOD".

To jump between VODs, simply click on the 5 4 3 2 1 numbers.
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September 30 2012 19:39 GMT
#5
Really nice work.
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United States15536 Posts
September 30 2012 19:49 GMT
#6
Awesome work MoonBear. Incredible as always.

... one thing though.

MoonBear and Chiharu getting predictions? Crafty. CRRRAAAAFFFTYYYY.
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September 30 2012 19:51 GMT
#7
I like the picture.

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United States9109 Posts
September 30 2012 19:53 GMT
#8
this is incredibly well put-together, holy cow. how much time did you spend on this?
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Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 30 2012 19:58 GMT
#9
On October 01 2012 04:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 04:35 Omer wrote:
Great write up, but the vods are bugged can't click hide/show on the 2-5th ones


The code is a little buggy, so please bear with us.

To display the VOD, click on the "+" sign. Not "Show VOD".

To jump between VODs, simply click on the 5 4 3 2 1 numbers.

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September 30 2012 19:59 GMT
#10
On October 01 2012 04:58 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 04:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
On October 01 2012 04:35 Omer wrote:
Great write up, but the vods are bugged can't click hide/show on the 2-5th ones


The code is a little buggy, so please bear with us.

To display the VOD, click on the "+" sign. Not "Show VOD".

To jump between VODs, simply click on the 5 4 3 2 1 numbers.

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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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September 30 2012 20:05 GMT
#11
On October 01 2012 04:53 gtrsrs wrote:
this is incredibly well put-together, holy cow. how much time did you spend on this?

Let's just say, a metric fk ton lol

On October 01 2012 04:58 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 04:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
On October 01 2012 04:35 Omer wrote:
Great write up, but the vods are bugged can't click hide/show on the 2-5th ones


The code is a little buggy, so please bear with us.

To display the VOD, click on the "+" sign. Not "Show VOD".

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nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
September 30 2012 20:07 GMT
#12
Got chills all over reading it.

Fantastic write up.
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United States5635 Posts
September 30 2012 20:19 GMT
#13
"It's not like The Inernational"

Other than that nice writeup, thank you very much!
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Harrow
Profile Joined November 2010
United States245 Posts
September 30 2012 20:22 GMT
#14
HYPE HYPE HYPE

I'm gonna be at the playoffs and the finals - did any TL people manage to get tickets?
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Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
September 30 2012 20:22 GMT
#15
Nice read! Lets see. Very excited for this..

Gonna watch saturday and sunday.. Its in America right? At what time CET are the first matches? :O
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DEMACIA6550 Posts
September 30 2012 20:26 GMT
#16
Nice write-up can't wait
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United States991 Posts
September 30 2012 20:28 GMT
#17
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United States17077 Posts
September 30 2012 20:30 GMT
#18
0 Dignitas predictions. Haters.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
September 30 2012 20:34 GMT
#19
Great write up, i think you guys are giving m5 a little too much credit for a team that has never faced Asian competition, but other wise its great.
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United States37500 Posts
September 30 2012 20:37 GMT
#20
On October 01 2012 05:22 Harrow wrote:
HYPE HYPE HYPE

I'm gonna be at the playoffs and the finals - did any TL people manage to get tickets?


I'll be attending the Finals on the 13th.
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United States37500 Posts
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#21
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 20:43:11
September 30 2012 20:41 GMT
#22
On October 01 2012 05:30 HazMat wrote:
0 Dignitas predictions. Haters.

Realistically their chance of getting out of groupstage is actually still pretty good. They just need to lock their win against SAJ and sneak a win against either Najin or CLG.EU, and they can tiebreak or better (and if Riot is still using the time rule for tiebreakers, those are basically a coin toss).

Also, calling top 4 is pretty much a crapshoot due to the unknown bracketing and this being a single elim event (which I think is incredibly inappropriate for an event thats paying out prize money for all placements).
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September 30 2012 20:42 GMT
#23
lol "Pride of War" "Victory after Victory" "SURPRISE EVERYONE!" where is the "Overcome All"

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Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
September 30 2012 20:43 GMT
#24
Last I heard Riot is not using a time based tiebreaker rule and instead will be using honest to goodness tiebreaker games.
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
September 30 2012 20:46 GMT
#25
Good write up, can't wait for this to start!
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Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 30 2012 20:46 GMT
#26
On October 01 2012 05:43 phyvo wrote:
Last I heard Riot is not using a time based tiebreaker rule and instead will be using honest to goodness tiebreaker games.

Thank god.
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France3460 Posts
September 30 2012 20:51 GMT
#27

so .. fast ..
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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 20:54:25
September 30 2012 20:52 GMT
#28
I like how TSM is top 3 powerank but only "1" editor predict a top 4 finish. I am a TSM fanboi but I think they are basically 50/50 if they meet IG, Najin, or CLG EU in the quarters.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 20:52:34
September 30 2012 20:52 GMT
#29
You realize now you guys have set the bar so goddamn high it's going to take you a week's worth of 28-hour days to top this for the Championships Wrap-up.
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Chiharu Harukaze
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Last Edited: 2012-09-30 20:53:48
September 30 2012 20:52 GMT
#30
I can confirm that tie-breakers will be decided with actual games instead of time-based rules.

I also agree that this should really be double elimination. So much on the line and so much tension. Oh well.

On October 01 2012 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
You realize now you guys have set the bar so goddamn high it's going to take you a week's worth of 28-hour days to top this for the Championships Wrap-up.

Most likely we will be splitting it up into chunks because the amount of work required would kill at least one of us otherwise. @_@ Although would people still be willing to read TL Review Part 3 in early November? Hm.
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Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
September 30 2012 20:53 GMT
#31
I'm still hoping dignitas surprises everyone with a new innovative strategy and wins it :3 fantastic write-up as always though.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada213 Posts
September 30 2012 20:54 GMT
#32
Wonderful write up, its always a pleasure reading these previews and wrap ups.

Just a thought... Anyone else feel both Korean teams are very likely to have a top 3 finish? Aside from strong skill, the Koreans probably studied the crap out of the other teams to get Frost and Sword a strong finish in the tournament.

I am also quite intrigued to what CLG NA/Dig will pull out of their hats and if standard play from TSM can lead them to victory.


overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
September 30 2012 20:55 GMT
#33
On October 01 2012 05:41 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 05:30 HazMat wrote:
0 Dignitas predictions. Haters.

Also, calling top 4 is pretty much a crapshoot due to the unknown bracketing and this being a single elim event (which I think is incredibly inappropriate for an event thats paying out prize money for all placements).


Yeah, this is the hardest thing. Like theoretically M5 or TSM could get the short end of the stick and be against Frost, CLGeu, or iG or something in quarterfinals. All three of which could realistically eliminate those two.

While most people seem convinced that Frost/iG and Najin/CLGeu are the likely contenders to get out of groups I think that people should remember that Dignitas was probably the first team in the world (or at least in NA) to meticulously study the meta and prepare crazy strategies for it. It's one of the reasons why Rock Solid became so dominant and why they got picked up by Dignitas. CLGna, at least according to Chau/DL, feels they have no chance to win all of S2 and are instead investing heavily in just getting out of group stages. The four teams that people are predicting to win all have championship aspirations and have to be prepared for literally every team there on day 1 and 2. CLG/Dignitas are both very likely just preparing for their groups.

Making any sort of predictions are fun and stuff I guess. But I honestly think that TPA has just as much of a chance as M5 at winning the entire thing, despite how low they were power ranked at. Even teams like CLGna, Dignitas, and SK could go on a hot streak and go really deep (or potentially win it all).

This was a really good write-up though. I enjoyed it a ton!
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
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September 30 2012 20:56 GMT
#34
On October 01 2012 05:52 AUGcodon wrote:
I like how TSM is top 3 powerank but only "1" editor predict a top 4 finish. I am a TSM fanboi but I think they are basically 50/50 if they meet IG or CLG EU in the quarters.

The biggest problem for TSM will be who they get paired with once the full bracket is released. TSM are notorious for always dropping the first Bo3 in the finals of a LAN against CLG before winning the second. That doesn't bode well for them in a single elimination bracket against a team who've just come hot out of the group stages, especially if it's someone like Azubu`Frost. It'll be interesting nevertheless.
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Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
September 30 2012 20:56 GMT
#35
On October 01 2012 05:46 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 05:43 phyvo wrote:
Last I heard Riot is not using a time based tiebreaker rule and instead will be using honest to goodness tiebreaker games.

Thank god.


Redbeard's answer to tiebreak question

On October 01 2012 05:52 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
I can confirm that tie-breakers will be decided with actual games instead of time-based rules.

I also agree that this should really be double elimination. So much on the line and so much tension. Oh well.

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
You realize now you guys have set the bar so goddamn high it's going to take you a week's worth of 28-hour days to top this for the Championships Wrap-up.

Most likely we will be splitting it up into chunks because the amount of work required would kill at least one of us otherwise. @_@ Although would people still be willing to read TL Review Part 3 in early November? Hm.


I'm sure this preview has killed MoonBear already (Isn't that why Chiharu is posting ) so it's up to Neo or myself to step up to the plate.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 30 2012 20:57 GMT
#36
On October 01 2012 05:52 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
I also agree that this should really be double elimination. So much on the line and so much tension. Oh well.

I don't think it would matter so much if Riot were paying only top 3 prizes or something. Single Elim means you can play Bo3s/Bo5s earlier in the bracket because you don't have that extra round of play, which is also a good thing. But the thing is, Single Elim is more subject to teams being eliminated earlier than they should due to bad bracketing (we already see this rearing its ugly head given the potential bracket arrangements that could eliminate a finals contender in the Ro8). This doesn't matter as much when only the top 3 prizes are being paid out because placing 4th and placing 8th aren't really different so being eliminated early doesn't matter as much. But since Riot is paying different prize amounts for every place, down to 12th, it matters a whole lot if some unlucky team that could have placed 4th gets eliminated in Ro8 by the eventual champions.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
September 30 2012 20:58 GMT
#37
On October 01 2012 05:53 Perplex wrote:
I'm still hoping dignitas surprises everyone with a new innovative strategy and wins it :3 fantastic write-up as always though.

I'm hoping there's going to be a lot of speshul taktiks thrown around since a lot of the top teams were practicing their stuff in secret. At the very least I'm just hoping for many exciting series!

Sort of off-topic, but Neo, is there a way to find out how much new user traffic these posts (or LAN LR threads) generate?
I would think that the quality of this stuff draws more and more people to the Subforum, but then again I'm not sure how many really new posters we've seen in the last little while. Maybe just more lurkers?
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 21:05:02
September 30 2012 21:00 GMT
#38
I think single elim makes it a lot more exciting. If this was double elim the grand finals would have a team up an entire bo3 which really kills a lot of the excitement for a grand finals imo.

It might be 'better' for prizing or for giving teams that make a mistake a chance. But it's gonna be a lot more tense and a lot more emotional to have single elim. Plus the grand finals won't totally suck.

@yango:
Yeah but then inevitably someone will bitch about the winner's bracket finalist not having an advantage in the grand finals so it's lose-lose for Riot either way. Imagine how pissed people would be if TSM was the winner bracket finals but then lost a bo5 to Frost who came from loser's. I realize it doesn't matter that people get pissed, but I think the amount of bitching for a single elim will be significantly less than the bitching if this was double elim.

Also, I think Riot is really wanting to make LoL much more professional. League basically had its own circuit for over a year to determine these seedings. Having it also be a double elim finals would be pretty ridiculous.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 30 2012 21:01 GMT
#39
On October 01 2012 06:00 overt wrote:
I think single elim makes it a lot more exciting. If this was double elim the grand finals would have a team up an entire bo3 which really kills a lot of the excitement for a grand finals imo.

Not necessarily. That depends on the format. TI2 had the double elim finals as Bo5 with no game/set advantage for the WB winner, for example.
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Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom876 Posts
September 30 2012 21:01 GMT
#40
such high quality write up, really good job can't wait for the final.
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Austria17960 Posts
September 30 2012 21:03 GMT
#41
Ahaha, the good old Xan interview <3

Great writeup, as always~
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nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 21:04:44
September 30 2012 21:03 GMT
#42
On October 01 2012 06:00 overt wrote:
I think single elim makes it a lot more exciting. If this was double elim the grand finals would have a team up an entire bo3 which really kills a lot of the excitement for a grand finals imo.


I am a big supporter of single elimination tournament structure for eSports.

It simply provides the best possible competition for the viewers while simultaneously increasing the tension and pressure on the teams.

Double elim just turn tournaments into marathons (it becomes a test of who can last longer)

The only thing i do not like is that the group stage is Bo1, it really should be Bo2. However, I am pretty sure this is because of time restraints.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
September 30 2012 21:06 GMT
#43
Yeah, there's a reason why professional sports tend to shy away from double elimination tournaments. If you lose in the quarter or semi finals you weren't the best team at the tournament. Period.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 21:10:56
September 30 2012 21:06 GMT
#44
On October 01 2012 06:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
Double elim just turn tournaments into marathons (it becomes a test of who can last longer)

That's pretty much only a product of most Western LAN events being 1-2 day affairs so they have to squeeze in an insane number of games into a short period of time. Realistically in league structures like OGN or various Chinese tournaments that play 1 match a night over an extended period of time, double elim is hardly a test of "who can last longer".

Given that Riot is drawing this out over two weekends, they have plenty of time to make sure the teams are rested before their matches.

On October 01 2012 06:06 overt wrote:
Yeah, there's a reason why professional sports tend to shy away from double elimination tournaments. If you lose in the quarter or semi finals you weren't the best team at the tournament. Period.

But that's because those events often only pay prize money for top 3 spots (and in professional sports, the money is primarily earned through sponsorships rather than prize money anyway)--so if you aren't top 3 it makes zero difference where you placed. Riot is paying vastly different amounts of prize money for EVERY spot of the tournament. So even if you wouldn't have been the best team, there's an extraordinary difference in the prize you earn for being 4th or 8th.

If Riot paid out the same prize money for spots 4-12, and only differentiated 1st/2nd/3rd, I would think single elim was much more appropriate.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13818 Posts
September 30 2012 21:11 GMT
#45
so good can't wait for the s2 world champs.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 30 2012 21:13 GMT
#46
The lack of Dignitas fanboyism in this post is disappointing, but otherwise a nice writeup.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 30 2012 21:49 GMT
#47
On October 01 2012 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 05:53 Perplex wrote:
I'm still hoping dignitas surprises everyone with a new innovative strategy and wins it :3 fantastic write-up as always though.

I'm hoping there's going to be a lot of speshul taktiks thrown around since a lot of the top teams were practicing their stuff in secret. At the very least I'm just hoping for many exciting series!

Sort of off-topic, but Neo, is there a way to find out how much new user traffic these posts (or LAN LR threads) generate?
I would think that the quality of this stuff draws more and more people to the Subforum, but then again I'm not sure how many really new posters we've seen in the last little while. Maybe just more lurkers?


That would be admin level access, which I don't have. Not too bothered to look into it either.
Sorry.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 30 2012 21:57 GMT
#48
On October 01 2012 06:13 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
The lack of Dignitas fanboyism in this post is disappointing, but otherwise a nice writeup.


For all you dig fans out there, I look forward to see any NA upsets.

Up to scarra and co, to prove our predictions wrong. Our predictions aren't without basis. :3
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ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
September 30 2012 21:58 GMT
#49
Awesome the best until now!
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
September 30 2012 22:06 GMT
#50
Appreciate the hard work put into the write up! Really a great way for the more casual fans (like myself) to get hyped and to know what to expect.
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Profile Joined October 2010
Canada166 Posts
September 30 2012 22:08 GMT
#51
Awesome write up. great work! So excited for the finals.
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Korea (South)3013 Posts
September 30 2012 22:12 GMT
#52
going through the top 5 videos sure brought back good memories

lets go CLG~
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 30 2012 22:20 GMT
#53
Beautiful BoonMear et al.

Makes me real pumped, sadly I'm busy that entire weekend D=
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 30 2012 22:20 GMT
#54
On October 01 2012 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Beautiful BoonMear et al.

Makes me real pumped, sadly I'm busy that entire weekend D=


Need better priorities, soniv~
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 30 2012 22:21 GMT
#55
On October 01 2012 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Beautiful BoonMear et al.

Makes me real pumped, sadly I'm busy that entire weekend D=

iG will pick Viktor and you won't be there to see it.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 30 2012 22:21 GMT
#56
On October 01 2012 07:21 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Beautiful BoonMear et al.

Makes me real pumped, sadly I'm busy that entire weekend D=

iG will pick Viktor and you won't be there to see it.


Hope this happens.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 30 2012 22:23 GMT
#57
You only say that because there was a compliment to Viktor in the write-up.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
elementz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States281 Posts
September 30 2012 22:30 GMT
#58
On October 01 2012 06:06 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 06:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
Double elim just turn tournaments into marathons (it becomes a test of who can last longer)

That's pretty much only a product of most Western LAN events being 1-2 day affairs so they have to squeeze in an insane number of games into a short period of time. Realistically in league structures like OGN or various Chinese tournaments that play 1 match a night over an extended period of time, double elim is hardly a test of "who can last longer".

Given that Riot is drawing this out over two weekends, they have plenty of time to make sure the teams are rested before their matches.

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 06:06 overt wrote:
Yeah, there's a reason why professional sports tend to shy away from double elimination tournaments. If you lose in the quarter or semi finals you weren't the best team at the tournament. Period.

But that's because those events often only pay prize money for top 3 spots (and in professional sports, the money is primarily earned through sponsorships rather than prize money anyway)--so if you aren't top 3 it makes zero difference where you placed. Riot is paying vastly different amounts of prize money for EVERY spot of the tournament. So even if you wouldn't have been the best team, there's an extraordinary difference in the prize you earn for being 4th or 8th.

If Riot paid out the same prize money for spots 4-12, and only differentiated 1st/2nd/3rd, I would think single elim was much more appropriate.

OGN was single elim and bo1 group stage as well, it adds to the tension you lose you go home, every bo3/bo5 counts. OGN had a secondary tournament running in the background for the regionals sake...GSL has been single elim forever as well.

TBH double elim to me has always felt greety from the side of tournament organisers to get in more show time to show everyone.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 30 2012 22:39 GMT
#59
On October 01 2012 07:23 Alaric wrote:
You only say that because there was a compliment to Viktor in the write-up.


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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
September 30 2012 22:45 GMT
#60
This preview made me feel warm and bubbly inside

My top 4: M5, Frost, TSM, CLGEU but there might be a surprise turnout, who knows
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 30 2012 23:00 GMT
#61
This is going to be a long school week.

...and then the one after because Riot decided to split it into 2 weekends =(
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 30 2012 23:00 GMT
#62
On October 01 2012 07:30 elementz wrote:
OGN was single elim and bo1 group stage as well, it adds to the tension you lose you go home, every bo3/bo5 counts. OGN had a secondary tournament running in the background for the regionals sake...GSL has been single elim forever as well.

I'm aware of this. I'm just saying that league structures used in Asian tournaments are amenable to double elim formats.

On October 01 2012 07:30 elementz wrote:
TBH double elim to me has always felt greety from the side of tournament organisers to get in more show time to show everyone.

The advantages of double elim vs. single elim have always been fairly clear: single elim saves you a round of play (allowing you to start running Bo3/Bo5 stages earlier), and in return sacrifices the ability to properly resolve placements for rankings below the top 3 (because outside of the top 3, the probability of a team placing below what's representative of their actual ability due to bracket luck becomes extremely high). The thing is, in the vast majority of tournaments, this is an acceptable tradeoff because those events do not give out prize money for any placement beyond the top 3 spots. It does not matter that spots 4-12 were ranked incorrectly.

Now here's the thing: this is completely unlike these World Championships. Riot is paying out different prize values for every level of elimination. This means it actually MATTERS to resolve team placement below the top 3 because it has a signficant effect on how the prize money is paid out.
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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
September 30 2012 23:01 GMT
#63
Another great writeup :D
Also wtf now moonbear and chiharu get their own section in the predictions
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 30 2012 23:17 GMT
#64
On October 01 2012 06:57 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 06:13 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
The lack of Dignitas fanboyism in this post is disappointing, but otherwise a nice writeup.


For all you dig fans out there, I look forward to see any NA upsets.

Up to scarra and co, to prove our predictions wrong. Our predictions aren't without basis. :3


Fanboyism doesn't require basis. Just blind love.
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FindMeInKenya
Profile Joined February 2011
United States797 Posts
September 30 2012 23:21 GMT
#65
This is such an amazing write up. THank you for your efforts.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
September 30 2012 23:39 GMT
#66
Nice writeup. good bunch of content to keep anyone and everyone entertained. Few typo's here are there, so it could've used another pass over with the editing comb, but considering how much work you guys put in to it, they aren't a big deal.
soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
September 30 2012 23:47 GMT
#67
It would be interesting to see the change in power ranking+predictions if CLG.EU managed to 3-0 frost in the finals.
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Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
September 30 2012 23:54 GMT
#68
Damn sick writeup! This weekend is going to be so amazing~
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Anxiety
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States650 Posts
October 01 2012 00:32 GMT
#69
How many other mid plane players can even play half of those champions at a competitive level?


For Invictus, should be mid lane (I hope).
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
October 01 2012 00:33 GMT
#70
I'm getting into the habit of expecting these write-ups to get better with each one. keep them comin!
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Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
October 01 2012 00:38 GMT
#71
good writeup guys! I expect to meet the coverage people at the Grandfinals, if not I am going to be mighty upset you!
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 01 2012 00:38 GMT
#72
Yeah, as much as my TSM fanboi-ism will show, there's definitely a soft spot in my heart for iG.

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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-01 00:47:43
October 01 2012 00:47 GMT
#73
I wish they would just combine all of Asia as a region, and then add one more slot for each region. Would make for better competition imo (maybe add 2 for Asia as League is growing so fast there).
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
October 01 2012 01:05 GMT
#74
This is excellent Moonbear. Great job.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 01 2012 01:50 GMT
#75
Top 4:

TSM, M5, Frost, CLG.eu

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Eladir
Profile Joined September 2011
Greece467 Posts
October 01 2012 02:17 GMT
#76
Wow, incredible article. Congratz to all who worked on it.

I'm a CLG fanboy since forever, hopefully they do well in this tournament though few expect them to.

Looking forward to the event. Imo the format sucks but whatever, hopefully season 3 will be much better.
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TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
October 01 2012 03:02 GMT
#77
I'm expecting the Asian teams to get crushed. Really do think it'll be some mix of TSM/M5/CLG.eu.

M5 and TSM both play such insanely aggressive map dominance-early game styles that I don't think the Asians will be able to handle it. When M5 grabs everyone at 7 minutes, 5-man dives your bottom lane and picks up your blue buff/dragon what is IG or Naijin gonna do? lose, thats what.

Am going to be cheering for my CLG.eu the whole way. ^^

PS: I'd forgotten how awesome that Carmac/Scarra interview was, ten minutes of laughter all over again.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
October 01 2012 03:14 GMT
#78
Wow, Amazing writeup. Thank you guys so much for putting your time and effort into writing this. Hype hype hype!! I think Frost, iG and M5 will be the final three. But I am rooting for SAJ, not only because they are from Vietnam but also they have the best team name evar .
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
October 01 2012 03:23 GMT
#79
Iam going to watch the finals in a bar with a nice burger in my mouth and beer at 11 am!
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-01 03:49:47
October 01 2012 03:40 GMT
#80
On October 01 2012 12:02 TheLink wrote:
I'm expecting the Asian teams to get crushed. Really do think it'll be some mix of TSM/M5/CLG.eu.

M5 and TSM both play such insanely aggressive map dominance-early game styles that I don't think the Asians will be able to handle it. When M5 grabs everyone at 7 minutes, 5-man dives your bottom lane and picks up your blue buff/dragon what is IG or Naijin gonna do? lose, thats what.

Am going to be cheering for my CLG.eu the whole way. ^^

PS: I'd forgotten how awesome that Carmac/Scarra interview was, ten minutes of laughter all over again.

If you think that kind of style is exclusive to M5 and TSM, you haven't been watching enough Asian LoL recently. Or not respecting how much of TSM's recent early-aggression style was learnt after losing to Azubu Blaze playing an early-game oriented style.

The biggest liability for TSM and M5 going into this tournament is their lack of experience playing with/on other regions. Compared to the other qualifiers from their regions, they have vastly less cross-continent playing experience (Dignitas, CLG.EU, and CLG.NA all have much greater experience playing in overseas events). It's also potentially an asset given that they also have not exposed fairly little of their playstyle to teams in other regions, but IMO there's much more to be gained from having cross-continent play experience than to be lost.

That said, it's also an ENORMOUS advantage for both teams that they are seeded into the Ro8--and the two Asian Ro8 seeds are arguably much weaker than the teams most likely to make it out of groups.
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
October 01 2012 04:11 GMT
#81
People who think that the aggressive counterjungling will be a problem for the top Asian teams is just nuts.
I mean TSM and M5 are famous for that and Asian teams are famous for their preparation. They will be prepared for this style.

Therefore I think the winner will be an asian team but I am not sure who it will be. Azubu Frost, iG, WE, Najin Sword can all win this. iG depends how they will perform. I watched a lot of games of them and sometimes they just underperform hard.
From Europe we have CLG.EU and M5 who have a chance to win, too.
I have never been a big fan of TSM, which leads me to being biased. ^^ The main problem is that two of the best non asian Teams never played against Asia( except one game from TSM but one game means nothing)

Group A - iG, Azubu`Frost
Group B - CLG.eu, NaJin Sword

and after that it is way too hard to say who will take it.
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skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
October 01 2012 06:23 GMT
#82
People forget about home advantage for the american teams. U remember mlg and ipl san francisco? CLG.EU, Fnatic and Sk didnt even make to top 4 for mlg. SGS and world elite just underperform.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 01 2012 06:29 GMT
#83
On October 01 2012 13:11 Chexx wrote:
People who think that the aggressive counterjungling will be a problem for the top Asian teams is just nuts.
I mean TSM and M5 are famous for that and Asian teams are famous for their preparation. They will be prepared for this style.


Not just that but hyper early game aggression is pretty damn common in the Korean pro scene. Just watch the TSM vs Blaze games from like three months ago. Blaze grouped up and roamed way earlier than any NA or EU teams ever do. And they aren't the only Korean team that plays like that. Invading at level 1 is crazy common in the Chinese scene and has been since as long as I've paid attention to CN LoL.

But yeah, saying that Asian teams won't know how to handle early game aggression or invasions just shows someone's ignorance to the Asian scene.
Kiwiandapple
Profile Joined March 2011
Belgium240 Posts
October 01 2012 07:11 GMT
#84
very nice write up! :o
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Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
October 01 2012 07:34 GMT
#85
Very very nice write-up. This brings me back to the good memories of BW proleague finals etc.
Really excited for this and this post just made it even better. Thanks guys, my hope for TL to continue the legacy from BW has just been increased.
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Desiire
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia191 Posts
October 01 2012 07:48 GMT
#86
I wouldn't count CLG.na out, they have showed some great plays leading up to S2 World Championship and they have that secret file Chauster has l0l

Good Write up. It's interesting to see a different PoV of both CLG's.

#AllKingsMustDieButHeIsAGod
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
October 01 2012 08:05 GMT
#87
On October 01 2012 16:48 Desiire wrote:
I wouldn't count CLG.na out, they have showed some great plays leading up to S2 World Championship and they have that secret file Chauster has l0l

Good Write up. It's interesting to see a different PoV of both CLG's.



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StateAlchemist
Profile Joined January 2011
France1946 Posts
October 01 2012 08:10 GMT
#88
Awesome write up
Go Clg.eu ! <3
Necca
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany43 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-01 08:57:15
October 01 2012 08:56 GMT
#89
Thanks a lot for this awesome write up !

Such a good article about LoL on TL, just astonishing.

Cant wait for the finals to happen, just a few days guys

gogo CLG.na / CLG.eu, you got this.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
October 01 2012 09:00 GMT
#90
Gooooo clg.eu!

This tourney is gonna be so epic, alrdy hyped!
KCCO!
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
October 01 2012 10:44 GMT
#91
CLG.eu to win :D

I want Krepo to destroy either Pepper or Mistake in the finals

[realism mode]
Prediction going to be 1. M5 2. iG 3. CLG.eu
[/realism mode]

I tried to pick teams that don't rely on 1 person carrying them (CLG isn't just reliant on Froggen, you haters!!!!11!).
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Isken
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)1131 Posts
October 01 2012 10:55 GMT
#92
hype hype HYPE
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
October 01 2012 11:07 GMT
#93
Awesome writeup, I'm sooo pumped! It will be some long night come the weekend.

If Asia comes in and destroy the competition I'm gonna be so sad. Mainly because I don't think the NA/EU esport-scene can take many more hits like that. I feel most NA/EU organisations will feel disheartened and focus only on regional tournaments. That means we get no NA teams in EU events (and vice versa).

If NA or EU crushes Asia, on the other hand, that will just spur the Asian teams to train harder and S3 will be even more awesome!

Prediction (with heart, not head): TSM, M5 and Frost.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
October 01 2012 11:26 GMT
#94
On October 01 2012 20:07 Cuddle wrote:
If Asia comes in and destroy the competition I'm gonna be so sad.


CLGeu has been in Korea for abit, theyve beaten every team atleast once (even frost in some other weekly). Koreans arent that far ahead yet like in sc2
KCCO!
mstrkrft
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria10 Posts
October 01 2012 11:27 GMT
#95
TSM vs M5 Finals. World needs to see this. Do it.
we are borg
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 01 2012 11:47 GMT
#96
On October 01 2012 20:26 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 20:07 Cuddle wrote:
If Asia comes in and destroy the competition I'm gonna be so sad.


CLGeu has been in Korea for abit, theyve beaten every team atleast once (even frost in some other weekly). Koreans arent that far ahead yet like in sc2

CLGeu SHOULD have beaten Frost in the OGN finals by all means.
But then they went full foreigner.
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SafeWord
Profile Joined February 2010
United States522 Posts
October 01 2012 11:47 GMT
#97
When does this begin?

TSM will take it all! Baylife!!!
Who needs players when you have God?
nanospartan
Profile Joined July 2011
649 Posts
October 01 2012 13:24 GMT
#98
TSM all the way :DDDD

I'm hoping for a TSM vs. M5/Frost final gogogogoogogogo
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1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
October 01 2012 13:30 GMT
#99
My predictions:

1. World Elite
2. CLG.eu
3/4. Azubu Frost/Team Solo Mid

WE are gonna show up for once in this tournament and they will destroy every non-Korean team. CLG.eu will destroy everyone except WE. This will be WE's redemption tournament IMO.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 01 2012 13:37 GMT
#100
Moonbear still cheating with the double predictions >:O
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
October 01 2012 13:46 GMT
#101
Comon, TSM, I believe :D
captharlock
Profile Joined September 2010
United States223 Posts
October 01 2012 14:27 GMT
#102
Nice read. Very excited to watch this.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
October 01 2012 15:59 GMT
#103
Embrace progress.

This is M5's to lose.
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
October 01 2012 16:18 GMT
#104
CLG.NA vs M5 in the finals! Come on baby, make it happen! m5 taking it all though. I can't wait to watch their LAN play again, I hope they absolutely crush everybody.
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
October 01 2012 16:34 GMT
#105
iG seems overrated.

strengths:
1. Farming
2. Champ select swapping
3. Team fight positioning

weaknesses:
1. No international experience
2. Inconsistent

A diligent top team should be able to prepare against iG and punish them for their aggressiveness. Weaker teams will just get out-riced.
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
October 01 2012 16:37 GMT
#106
Predicting a sweep of Korean teams + M5
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
October 01 2012 16:41 GMT
#107
Rooting for TSM but I think iG will pull some major upsets. Thanks to all the writers and editors for this amazing preview.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-01 18:03:59
October 01 2012 18:02 GMT
#108
On October 02 2012 01:34 azndsh wrote:
iG seems overrated.

strengths:
1. Farming
2. Champ select swapping
3. Team fight positioning

weaknesses:
1. No international experience
2. Inconsistent

A diligent top team should be able to prepare against iG and punish them for their aggressiveness. Weaker teams will just get out-riced.


A lot of the players on iG played at IEM Guangzhou way back when against SK and CLGna. iG played CLGna a bunch at LANs in South Korea. They've also played tons of teams at IPL5 qualifiers.

They have about as much exposure to the NA/EU scenes as TSM and M5 have to the Asian scenes. But iG comes with running really really unconventional midlanes and team comps in general. If they make it out of group stages they will throw a team off in quarters. They will make M5 or TSM play from an uncomfortable/unfamiliar position if they get matched up against them in quarters (I'm not saying they'll win because of it, but it's a lot harder to play if you're uncomfortable with your opponents play style). Not saying M5 or TSM couldn't do the same to iG but I don't think either of those two teams is going to play anything other than standard (although M5's 'standard' is a bit different from TSM standard).

I don't think giving iG #4 in the power rank is overrating them at all. Of all the teams in group stages they have the best chance of throwing M5/TSM off their game and beating them in a bo3 imo.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 01 2012 18:34 GMT
#109
Has M5 faced any asian teams ever?
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
October 01 2012 18:39 GMT
#110
They have no international LAN experience (actually playing overseas), and factors like jetlag, nerves, etc. can all really affect play. I think their aggressive laning won't work as well against the better teams, and they're vulnerable to counterganking.

Not saying they're not good, but I think a lot of their opponents were caught off guard initially. That advantage will be greatly negated at Worlds.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 01 2012 18:40 GMT
#111
On October 02 2012 01:34 azndsh wrote:
iG seems overrated.

strengths:
1. Farming
2. Champ select swapping
3. Team fight positioning

weaknesses:
1. No international experience
2. Inconsistent

A diligent top team should be able to prepare against iG and punish them for their aggressiveness. Weaker teams will just get out-riced.

come on Yang where is your Chinese pride
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 01 2012 18:40 GMT
#112
On October 02 2012 03:34 HazMat wrote:
Has M5 faced any asian teams ever?

To my knowledge I dont think M5 has faced an Asian team ever.
lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
October 01 2012 18:49 GMT
#113
good write up! excited to see these matches.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
October 01 2012 19:55 GMT
#114
It's time to find my favorite team. im always watching TSM weekly but none of them impressed me.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
October 01 2012 20:40 GMT
#115
On October 02 2012 03:40 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 01:34 azndsh wrote:
iG seems overrated.

strengths:
1. Farming
2. Champ select swapping
3. Team fight positioning

weaknesses:
1. No international experience
2. Inconsistent

A diligent top team should be able to prepare against iG and punish them for their aggressiveness. Weaker teams will just get out-riced.

come on Yang where is your Chinese pride

T_T i like scarra! honestly though, I'm really excited no matter who wins, as long as it means spectacular LoL.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-01 22:07:07
October 01 2012 22:06 GMT
#116
On October 02 2012 01:34 azndsh wrote:
iG seems overrated.

strengths:
1. Farming
2. Champ select swapping
3. Team fight positioning

weaknesses:
1. No international experience
2. Inconsistent

A diligent top team should be able to prepare against iG and punish them for their aggressiveness. Weaker teams will just get out-riced.


they played alot against korean teams in the nicegame battleroyal. They even had a 8 win streak or something similar
second point is true though
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TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
October 01 2012 22:31 GMT
#117
Looking forward to the "I told you so" when TSM and M5 crush the Asians. ^^
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 01 2012 22:36 GMT
#118
Moonbear is bound to get predictions right, he had 2 chances O.o
liftlift > tsm
Lenji
Profile Joined October 2012
Korea (South)2 Posts
October 01 2012 22:47 GMT
#119
One wrong information on Team Overview map:

Najin Sword did not win 2nd on AZUBU Champions Spring 2nd. It was AZUBU Frost.
Najin won 3rd on AZUBU Champions Summer.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-01 22:57:55
October 01 2012 22:54 GMT
#120
On October 02 2012 07:31 TheLink wrote:
Looking forward to the "I told you so" when TSM and M5 crush the Asians. ^^


It could happen. Or the reverse could happen. But TSM/M5 winning against the Asian teams won't have anything to do with them not being prepared for aggressive counter-jungling lol.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
October 01 2012 23:29 GMT
#121
As much as I love Dyrus, I wouldn't bet a cent on TSM to win this (nor CLG.Prime).
I'm really expecting M5 to win this, but as said, they haven't faced any asian team yet so, who knows...
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33247 Posts
October 02 2012 01:14 GMT
#122
btw banning hazmat for thoughtcrime
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 02 2012 01:23 GMT
#123
On October 02 2012 10:14 Waxangel wrote:
btw banning hazmat for thoughtcrime

O.O
This and your Reddit comment confuse me. Is it because I oppose a totalitarian future of TL?
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 02 2012 01:49 GMT
#124
Misguidedly cheering for SK, just because I want to see Ocelote lose his mind with excitement.
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 02:23:16
October 03 2012 02:22 GMT
#125
Just wanted to say that I agree very much with the power ranking. I would have maybe placed TSM a little lower, but other than that this is almost identical with the list I had made in my head.
Of course the real respective winning chances are still different from this, as some teams already have a very big advantage by being seeded past the group stage.

And I am already dreading the randomness of the group stage with the risky (cheesy) startegies these bo1 might bring with them. The International had such a better format with much more games.
Off-season = best season
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
October 03 2012 03:26 GMT
#126
On October 02 2012 10:49 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Misguidedly cheering for SK, just because I want to see Ocelote lose his mind with excitement.


Exactly. There's another member on the team (jungler ?) who get's equally hype but I only recognize Ocelote.
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
October 03 2012 03:29 GMT
#127
I like that Riot is letting us use team logos as summoner icons. I remember Pokerstars doing that for the World Cup teams in 2010. I want to see Moscow Five take it all, especially since Alex Ich recently got married!
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 03 2012 03:33 GMT
#128
On October 03 2012 12:26 sung_moon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 10:49 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Misguidedly cheering for SK, just because I want to see Ocelote lose his mind with excitement.


Exactly. There's another member on the team (jungler ?) who get's equally hype but I only recognize Ocelote.

You are thinking of Araneae. Hes also Spanish, so yeah.
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Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
October 03 2012 04:13 GMT
#129
Very excited for this - I'd love to see an M5 vs Frost finals, but regardless of outcome I'm sure the matches will be fantastic. Hoping CLG.EU do well, but expecting to cringe in horror as Snoopeh's Maokai (or equivalent) gets set behind in the early game via some aggressive invasion/counterjungling.
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MidKnight
Profile Joined December 2008
Lithuania884 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 01:03:20
October 04 2012 00:50 GMT
#130
I haven't been following LoL extensively for like a year, these short round-ups are extremely helpful. Seeing what kinds of cats eastern teams have in their bags is super exciting.

I follow TSM the most recently, but it's really hard to root for them when they try to play the most generic and boring game imaginable with very solid and safe yet unexciting 8.5/10 champions in every lane with no particular synergys. Like mentioned, these solid fundamentals did carry them in the NA scene, but they HAVE to readjust and prepare something game changing to win.

I'm a total sucker for unique team comps so I'll probably be rooting for Invictus. Can't beat Viktor.
The highly anticipated (hopefully) Azubu and M5 matchup should be amazing. I wish there were more worldwide competitions of this caliber to matchup these usually vastly different regional metagames against each other to see whose understanding of the game is the highest.
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
October 05 2012 01:52 GMT
#131
Anyone else watching Korean OGN stream? 3 commentators + 1-2 guests (players usually) sitting on classy sofas and doing their usual thing. Production value a bit higher then Engish stream. When game starts the streams are usually within a second in sync so I have Korean sound and English picture. When game ends switch to full Korean stream.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 09:23:28
October 05 2012 06:13 GMT
#132
On October 01 2012 20:26 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 20:07 Cuddle wrote:
If Asia comes in and destroy the competition I'm gonna be so sad.


CLGeu has been in Korea for abit, theyve beaten every team atleast once (even frost in some other weekly). Koreans arent that far ahead yet like in sc2


Asia 7 - 1 Rest of World

Let's hope the 3 remaining western teams can do well but I'm doubting!

Edit: Ooops!
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
October 05 2012 06:32 GMT
#133
On October 05 2012 15:13 Cuddle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 20:26 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On October 01 2012 20:07 Cuddle wrote:
If Asia comes in and destroy the competition I'm gonna be so sad.


CLGeu has been in Korea for abit, theyve beaten every team atleast once (even frost in some other weekly). Koreans arent that far ahead yet like in sc2


Asia 5 - 1 Rest of World

Let's hope the 3 remaining western teams can do well but I'm doubting!


You Mean 7-1 right
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Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
October 05 2012 09:23 GMT
#134
On October 05 2012 15:32 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 15:13 Cuddle wrote:
On October 01 2012 20:26 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On October 01 2012 20:07 Cuddle wrote:
If Asia comes in and destroy the competition I'm gonna be so sad.


CLGeu has been in Korea for abit, theyve beaten every team atleast once (even frost in some other weekly). Koreans arent that far ahead yet like in sc2


Asia 5 - 1 Rest of World

Let's hope the 3 remaining western teams can do well but I'm doubting!


You Mean 7-1 right


Yes...yes...THATS what I mean. Dunno where I got the 5 from.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
October 06 2012 17:50 GMT
#135
Well this just got linked on LoL FB. Hello people! Welcome to our lovely page.
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agtemd
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada362 Posts
October 06 2012 17:55 GMT
#136
On October 07 2012 02:50 Beyonder wrote:
Well this just got linked on LoL FB. Hello people! Welcome to our lovely page.

Beat me to it >.<
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
October 06 2012 18:08 GMT
#137
Lol I'm ashamed to say that bought me here too!

But great exposure
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 06 2012 18:24 GMT
#138
Hello World!~
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MeriaDoKk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Chile1726 Posts
October 06 2012 18:25 GMT
#139
I thought that image looked familiar.
lipidsnake
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia2 Posts
October 07 2012 09:19 GMT
#140
Fantastic write up but not sure if this has already been noted but I think that TPA are being WAYYY too underrated. Not from the perspective of a fanboy but a dedicated follower to the SEA and Chinese LoL pro scene i can say that TPA are on a level of skill that rivals if not betters Azubu Frost. No way they deserve a 11th place and they've definately proven that with their devastation over Najin Sword. To be fair abit of Azubu Frost's success comes from their experience of playing the NA and EU teams in past tournaments, they've adapted their play to the slower and more restrained meta, it will be interesting to see how M5 plays against TPA this has been my most anticipated matchup of the whole tournament. too bad the DDos ruined the day
bobbob
Profile Joined December 2009
United States368 Posts
October 07 2012 09:45 GMT
#141
On October 07 2012 18:19 lipidsnake wrote:
Fantastic write up but not sure if this has already been noted but I think that TPA are being WAYYY too underrated. Not from the perspective of a fanboy but a dedicated follower to the SEA and Chinese LoL pro scene i can say that TPA are on a level of skill that rivals if not betters Azubu Frost. No way they deserve a 11th place and they've definately proven that with their devastation over Najin Sword. To be fair abit of Azubu Frost's success comes from their experience of playing the NA and EU teams in past tournaments, they've adapted their play to the slower and more restrained meta, it will be interesting to see how M5 plays against TPA this has been my most anticipated matchup of the whole tournament. too bad the DDos ruined the day

Coming into this tournament, TPA was considered a pretty bad team overall, most people thought that they would get steamrolled hard by Sword, but they definitely showed that they are a very strong team.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 07 2012 09:54 GMT
#142
On October 07 2012 18:19 lipidsnake wrote:
Fantastic write up but not sure if this has already been noted but I think that TPA are being WAYYY too underrated. Not from the perspective of a fanboy but a dedicated follower to the SEA and Chinese LoL pro scene i can say that TPA are on a level of skill that rivals if not betters Azubu Frost. No way they deserve a 11th place and they've definately proven that with their devastation over Najin Sword. To be fair abit of Azubu Frost's success comes from their experience of playing the NA and EU teams in past tournaments, they've adapted their play to the slower and more restrained meta, it will be interesting to see how M5 plays against TPA this has been my most anticipated matchup of the whole tournament. too bad the DDos ruined the day

We knew it was possible for TPA to bring their A-game to the tournament. Certainly, when they were on-form they took down Najin in a 25 minute game in Go4LoL Pro Asia. Everything leading up to this implied a continuation of TPA's slump. Even prior to the event, WE's coach Joker was saying that TPA was somewhat inconsistent in scrims with iG and WE.

There was nothing to go on to go on when this article was written to suggest that TPA would show such a drastic return to form. Hindsight is 20:20.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 07 2012 10:02 GMT
#143
90%+ of what I know about the non-Korean Asian scene, I get from TheYango.

If I didn't have faith in TPA, it's his fault. ^o^
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nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
October 07 2012 11:41 GMT
#144
my PM to moonbear

"TPA is slumping (has slumped for a long time, actually) for no good reason, really. I'm not sure if it's due to their training regimen or if it's all part of their plan to shock everyone but I really liked their play from a few months ago and still remain hopeful that they can come back and surprise me."

yay TPA <3
cool beans
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
October 07 2012 14:45 GMT
#145
Based on TPA's most recently shown games (including their showmatch with CLG.eu at the TW Regional Qualifiers) it was very difficult to pinpoint what kind of team would exactly show up at Worlds. It was hard to place them above their current rank when everything is conditional on "if their form improves". Using that kind of argument, nearly everyone deserves to be higher in the rankings.

TPA's performance is definitely one of the most pleasant surprises we've had so far this tournament. I am looking forward to their games with M5!
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Fliida
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Finland4 Posts
October 10 2012 21:47 GMT
#146
Although I wish I had checked past this thread a little earlier I figured better late than never. While you did an excellent job writing it, I'm not sure if you were smoking an enormus amount of pot just before writing the power rankings or if it's simply a lack of observation.

First of all, of all these teams, SK would be the bottom seed at any given time, untill they replace Ocelote. Yes I know he's extremely popular, but he's also a player who doesn't win his lane often enough for his team to benefit any from having him, and when he does win his lane it's usually not because he outplays his opponent, it's merely because his lane snowballs out of control.

Secondly - while they may be strong teams - putting both TSM and iG over CLG.EU isn't precisely logical at any level, we're talking about the only team out there who have been able to challenge M5 so far. And M5 are really the team to beat for whoever wishes to take home the first price.

TPA may have been more than shaky before entering the World Finals, but they'd still rank higher than both SK and CLG.NA regardless of circumstances. After all CLG.NA haven't had any real success outside of the US for a long time, and going up against the rest of the world, they were doomed to fall flat. And SK, well, I think I covered that rather well earlier.

As for the showdown between regions, I'd say Europe is still the number one contender in any cathegory mostly due to M5 and CLG.EU, with Korea as a close second. While the US audience may think their server is the strongest out there, most of their top teams have either undergone large changes lately or simply do not possess the innovation considering strategies. And most importantly, none of them except perhaps TSM in top shape possess the consistent game to game stability of M5, Azubu and CLG.EU.

Appart from that, entertaining reading even though most games have already been played.
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
October 14 2012 06:48 GMT
#147
While cynically you can match (Taipei Assassins') slump with the release of Diablo III


I'd like to know more about this!
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 14 2012 06:55 GMT
#148
It's hard to pinpoint the exact start of TPA's slump. I think I first noticed it when TPA lost to Najin Shield in a showmatch right around the start of OGN Summer, and subsequently when one Dignitas player (I can't remember who) talked about TPA massively underperforming in scrims.
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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
October 14 2012 07:01 GMT
#149
On October 14 2012 15:55 TheYango wrote:
It's hard to pinpoint the exact start of TPA's slump. I think I first noticed it when TPA lost to Najin Shield in a showmatch right around the start of OGN Summer, and subsequently when one Dignitas player (I can't remember who) talked about TPA massively underperforming in scrims.

Its their secret strategy to decieve enemy teams before the grand finals and IT WORKED
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 07:06:28
October 14 2012 07:06 GMT
#150
On October 14 2012 16:01 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 15:55 TheYango wrote:
It's hard to pinpoint the exact start of TPA's slump. I think I first noticed it when TPA lost to Najin Shield in a showmatch right around the start of OGN Summer, and subsequently when one Dignitas player (I can't remember who) talked about TPA massively underperforming in scrims.

Its their secret strategy to decieve enemy teams before the grand finals and IT WORKED

My first indication of them being able to come out was Joker (WE's coach) talking about TPA's performance being 50:50 against iG/WE in practice, followed by iG's explosive group stage performance. A team that goes 50:50 against iG/WE at the very least deserves better than 11th place on the rank.

I still don't think placing TPA below the halfway mark was "wrong" based on pre-World Championships knowledge. Bear in mind that at the worst point in their slump, they were arguably much worse than "50:50 vs. iG/WE" (they got demolished 3-0 by a Najin Shield that went on to get demolished equally hard by WE in OGN Summer). But it should also have been equally clear that a TPA playing on peak performance was capable of what we saw today.
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 07:16:14
October 14 2012 07:14 GMT
#151
On October 14 2012 16:06 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 16:01 Caphe wrote:
On October 14 2012 15:55 TheYango wrote:
It's hard to pinpoint the exact start of TPA's slump. I think I first noticed it when TPA lost to Najin Shield in a showmatch right around the start of OGN Summer, and subsequently when one Dignitas player (I can't remember who) talked about TPA massively underperforming in scrims.

Its their secret strategy to decieve enemy teams before the grand finals and IT WORKED

My first indication of them being able to come out was Joker (WE's coach) talking about TPA's performance being 50:50 against iG/WE in practice, followed by iG's explosive group stage performance. A team that goes 50:50 against iG/WE at the very least deserves better than 11th place on the rank.

I still don't think placing TPA below the halfway mark was "wrong" based on pre-World Championships knowledge. Bear in mind that at the worst point in their slump, they were arguably much worse than "50:50 vs. iG/WE" (they got demolished 3-0 by a Najin Shield that went on to get demolished equally hard by WE in OGN Summer). But it should also have been equally clear that a TPA playing on peak performance was capable of what we saw today.

The most recent VoDs of TPA games I was able to watch before writing the Power Rank was their show match against CLG.eu at the Taiwanese Regional Qualifiers (September). It wasn't the best of indications, but combined with their slump it was massively difficult for me to place them. I didn't have a reason to place them in the top half (esp considering the quality of those teams) but then ever since their shake up after WCG it was clear they were a good team overall. One of the problems is that very rarely have teams in a slump completely shaken it off and come out all cylinders revving just before a major tournament.

In hindsight, I definitely undervalued them. But if I had to write the Power Rank again, using only pre-Worlds knowledge, I would probably place them in the bottom half again.

With time and practise, hopefully we'll be able to start getting more accurate and better at this.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
FindMeInKenya
Profile Joined February 2011
United States797 Posts
October 14 2012 07:53 GMT
#152
Nah, don't sell yourself short. Your pre-Worlds ranking and write up were excellent, keep up the good work.

Also, would you guys by any chance do a review write up?
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