EPT[Patch 1.0.0.147: Syndra] General Discussion - Page 86
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On September 18 2012 12:35 OutlaW- wrote: apparently she has like 35% winrate in ranked It's closer to 28% lol. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 18 2012 11:51 Haasts wrote: Meat Playground beat iG 2-0; great Morgana play by Pobelter - clutch Black Shields on Altec's Graves stopped Skarner/Morde/Shen turning situations into 4v6s. The Malphite/Morgana combo was making iG's melee-range-heavy team fairly sad, too. I only watched the first game, so was Meat Playground just looking that good, or was iG playing poorly? iG beat CLG pretty handily, but I can't imagine Meat Playground giving CLG too much trouble. | ||
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Jumbled
1543 Posts
On September 18 2012 12:25 Dark_Chill wrote: What the hell is with Syndra! I haven't seen a single one yet! I've been hoping to see one in action, but it's like a champion who looks that awesome is just pushing people away. She's tough to play effectively. I've been trying her out in normals and racking up a bunch of losses. Even when I dominate lane, it can be quite tough to turn that advantage into general ownage. Hard to say what the best build is with her too. She needs a fair bit of CDR and mana as well as AP, and I'm thinking about going rather tanky as well, just because she needs to survive for a while to get her extremely slow combos off. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 18 2012 12:50 Jumbled wrote: She's tough to play effectively. I've been trying her out in normals and racking up a bunch of losses. Even when I dominate lane, it can be quite tough to turn that advantage into general ownage. Hard to say what the best build is with her too. She needs a fair bit of CDR and mana as well as AP, and I'm thinking about going rather tanky as well, just because she needs to survive for a while to get her extremely slow combos off. I have been going Grail -> DCAP -> Rylai -> Void Staff. It's serving me well. I feel that she needs a bit of help. Her mechanics greatly rely on her orbs, but her orbs feel too expensive to spawn. She will probably be more playable with her Q's cost lowered by 10 for all ranks. Just my own opinion. | ||
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Bwaaaa
Australia969 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On September 18 2012 12:57 Sufficiency wrote: I have been going Grail -> DCAP -> Rylai -> Void Staff. It's serving me well. I feel that she needs a bit of help. Her mechanics greatly rely on her orbs, but her orbs feel too expensive to spawn. She will probably be more playable with her Q's cost lowered by 10 for all ranks. Just my own opinion. She is actually quite a beast with Archangels, she maxes it faster than any other champ I have ever played, including Kog. Her setups within a setup makes her bring it to max REALLY fast. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 18 2012 12:58 GhandiEAGLE wrote: She is actually quite a beast with Archangels, she maxes it faster than any other champ I have ever played, including Kog. Her setups within a setup makes her bring it to max REALLY fast. Maxing Tear is way too expensive. Her orb costs 90 mana per cast at rank 5..... I admit I always have a soft spot for Tear. I often build it on Cassiopeia when I am really ahead, but Syndra building tear is really, REALLY costly. | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
like Rengar in the beginning. I dont understand how somebody can take the winrate from a champion in his/her firstweek and argue that he/she needs buff | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On September 18 2012 13:06 Chexx wrote: like Rengar in the beginning. I dont understand how somebody can take the winrate from a champion in his/her firstweek and argue that he/she needs buff I think a low winrate shouldn't be examined too closely, but a high winrate can usually spell problems. If they've mastered the champ immediately, unless they absolutely have no depth it will only get worse. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On September 18 2012 13:06 Chexx wrote: like Rengar in the beginning. I dont understand how somebody can take the winrate from a champion in his/her firstweek and argue that he/she needs buff Well isn't it sort of agreed that AD Rengar is trash? Once people started abusing AP Rengar he obviously started winning more but I doubt AD Rengar w/l has improved too much. Maybe the secret to Syndra is building her AD. edit: Actually I shouldn't say trash because I've seen some Rengar's so well and apparently Diamonprox has been crushing with it? Maybe he should be tested more, dunno. I do think that the reason for Rengar's increased wins is the AP aspect. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 18 2012 13:24 HazMat wrote: Well isn't it sort of agreed that AD Rengar is trash? Once people started abusing AP Rengar he obviously started winning more but I doubt AD Rengar w/l has improved too much. Maybe the secret to Syndra is building her AD. You mean support. Support Syndra. I mean, she DOES have a line stun that lasts 1.5 seconds and 11 seconds CD at rank 5 E. And it knocks back. And you have another slow with W. | ||
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
I was Vayne, and we lost lane because we didn't want to get caught out and bursted down, so by the end of laning phase we had each died once (more due to stupidity and blitz landing retarded hooks - he was like 2/20 hooks) and I was ~40 cs behind. We won the game, but graves got mad cuz he lost and started giving lip about how taric/vayne should win lane and how he destroyed us. I know I'm not the best laner in the world, but we did outplay them in team fights which caused us to win the game. IMO graves/blitz should win. Taric can stun, sure, and I can get off a condemn if we get a good positioning going, but who are we gonna kill? Graves can dash further out so blitz can then run interference (graves is never near a wall anyways). Blitz is tanky as shit with his shield, and has longer range than taric. I could possibly outplay graves if it was 1v1 with really good q's and trades, but the blitz threat is always there and makes me play cautious since graves is such a strong laner and vayne isn't. Most real case I can think of is that we chain stun blitz, have exhaust on graves and manage to kill blitz before he knocks one of us up and w's out. All blitz/graves needs to do is land 1 grab and one of us is likely fucked, the burst is way higher than vayne/taric. I guess it's feasible that we can slowly whittle them down, but taric only has so much heal. One wrong move and we lose, whereas I feel like they play a super safe lane. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 18 2012 13:35 King K. Rool wrote: who should win lane, taric/vayne or graves/blitz? I was Vayne, and we lost lane because we didn't want to get caught out and bursted down, so by the end of laning phase we had each died once (more due to stupidity and blitz landing retarded hooks - he was like 2/20 hooks) and I was ~40 cs behind. We won the game, but graves got mad cuz he lost and started giving lip about how taric/vayne should win lane and how he destroyed us. I know I'm not the best laner in the world, but we did outplay them in team fights which caused us to win the game. IMO graves/blitz should win. Taric can stun, sure, and I can get off a condemn if we get a good positioning going, but who are we gonna kill? Graves can dash further out so blitz can then run interference (graves is never near a wall anyways). Blitz is tanky as shit with his shield, and has longer range than taric. I could possibly outplay graves if it was 1v1 with really good q's and trades, but the blitz threat is always there and makes me play cautious since graves is such a strong laner and vayne isn't. Most real case I can think of is that we chain stun blitz, have exhaust on graves and manage to kill blitz before he knocks one of us up and w's out. I am pretty sure you are supposed to lose the lane because there is Vayne in it. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On September 18 2012 13:24 HazMat wrote: Well isn't it sort of agreed that AD Rengar is trash? Once people started abusing AP Rengar he obviously started winning more but I doubt AD Rengar w/l has improved too much. Maybe the secret to Syndra is building her AD. edit: Actually I shouldn't say trash because I've seen some Rengar's so well and apparently Diamonprox has been crushing with it? Maybe he should be tested more, dunno. I do think that the reason for Rengar's increased wins is the AP aspect. I saw diamondprox destroy a game with jungle Rengar like 2 days ago or something (ad). Now I can't really tell if he was doing well because M5 were just way better than the other team or because jungle Rengar is actually legit strong but idk. I would try it out more but IP is hard to come across now when I'm back to school  | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
On September 18 2012 08:55 wei2coolman wrote: Well yeah, AD carries were always core, what I meant was that we've been seeing higher kill counts on AD's, where it's not uncommon to see a legendary AD Carry in midgame, and completely carry the team before the 35min count, in tourney play. Before it use to be AD carries were chosen for their late game presence, now they're chosen for strong midgame presence. Though you're probably right on the fact that the trend was happening, and life steal nerfs hit, and trend continued. Yeah, that's what I was going for in terms of mentioning how her skill leveling works. That's just due to the metagame shift to emphasis or early and mid game. Sustain got nerfed across every role so bursty and dueling champs became stronger. Junglers buy early oracles to clear wards and lanes began to favor taking tower ASAP and grouping for map control. The days of farming in lane for 30+ minutes are over. Now it's all about snowballing as soon as you get the slightest advantage. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On September 18 2012 13:35 King K. Rool wrote: who should win lane, taric/vayne or graves/blitz? I was Vayne, and we lost lane because we didn't want to get caught out and bursted down, so by the end of laning phase we had each died once (more due to stupidity and blitz landing retarded hooks - he was like 2/20 hooks) and I was ~40 cs behind. We won the game, but graves got mad cuz he lost and started giving lip about how taric/vayne should win lane and how he destroyed us. I know I'm not the best laner in the world, but we did outplay them in team fights which caused us to win the game. IMO graves/blitz should win. Taric can stun, sure, and I can get off a condemn if we get a good positioning going, but who are we gonna kill? Graves can dash further out so blitz can then run interference (graves is never near a wall anyways). Blitz is tanky as shit with his shield, and has longer range than taric. I could possibly outplay graves if it was 1v1 with really good q's and trades, but the blitz threat is always there and makes me play cautious since graves is such a strong laner and vayne isn't. Most real case I can think of is that we chain stun blitz, have exhaust on graves and manage to kill blitz before he knocks one of us up and w's out. All blitz/graves needs to do is land 1 grab and one of us is likely fucked, the burst is way higher than vayne/taric. I guess it's feasible that we can slowly whittle them down, but taric only has so much heal. One wrong move and we lose, whereas I feel like they play a super safe lane. Always have gotten the impression that vayne is pretty weak in the lane phase, while graves is pretty solid. Just some guys ego blinding him so he can run off talking about how elo hell is screwing him. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On September 18 2012 13:35 King K. Rool wrote: who should win lane, taric/vayne or graves/blitz? Them, easily. If you want to play Vayne, ban Blitz + Alistar and hope they can't Leona. Alternatively camp the fuck out of them until you're so ahead it doesn't matter. | ||
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Navi
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MANDATORYCLOUD #1 HOW DOES IT SOUND? | ||
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