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On September 18 2012 14:42 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 14:27 agtemd wrote:
Anyone done GP support lately? It's so fun and I haven't lost my lane and game in the 5 games that i've played him as support.
Excelent poke with a global ulti that makes racking up assists easy as hell. It helps that you actualyl do damage too. Everytime my adc dies in a full on confrontation I usually rack up the double kill anyways.
It helps that you can get avarice blade too.
I go 0-21-9 with focus on MS in both trees which makes his poke even better. IMO, the support position has very very little flexibility; essentially, whenever I see myself matched against a non-standard support, I chuckle at the free win coming my way. Basically, any support that doesn't have very good damage potential, or very strong sustain is an easy win for any of the standard support combos. How will your support GP deal with an Ezrael Sona lane? You have no way to protect your AD from damage, except for your gun; Sona+Ez's burst will do a lot more than your unfarmed Q will be able to do. The same holds true for a Taric Sivir lane, a Leona Corki lane, etc etc I guess the thing with supports is that it's quite easy to say "why ever use X, Y is better in all ways".
I think there are plenty of viable support after the period of Soraka and Janna getting nerfed every patch. Sona and Taric are obviously very strong right now, Blitzcrank and Leona are good aggressive supports with their respective pros and cons, and Lulu is absolutely brutal to play against if you are playing a non-sustain lane. I think having 7 "viable" supports is plenty.... how many viable top lane bruisers are there?
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I had a Graves ask me if QSS gets rid of Skarner ult at 1650 Elo. Interesting. I mean I guess he could just be new to AD? Or something?
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On September 18 2012 15:00 HazMat wrote:
I had a Graves ask me if QSS gets rid of Skarner ult at 1650 Elo. Interesting. I mean I guess he could just be new to AD? Or something?
I vaguely recall a guy around 1400 complaining about how his Cleanse did not remove Skarnar ult.
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On September 18 2012 14:57 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 14:42 EchelonTee wrote:On September 18 2012 14:27 agtemd wrote:
Anyone done GP support lately? It's so fun and I haven't lost my lane and game in the 5 games that i've played him as support.
Excelent poke with a global ulti that makes racking up assists easy as hell. It helps that you actualyl do damage too. Everytime my adc dies in a full on confrontation I usually rack up the double kill anyways.
It helps that you can get avarice blade too.
I go 0-21-9 with focus on MS in both trees which makes his poke even better. IMO, the support position has very very little flexibility; essentially, whenever I see myself matched against a non-standard support, I chuckle at the free win coming my way. Basically, any support that doesn't have very good damage potential, or very strong sustain is an easy win for any of the standard support combos. How will your support GP deal with an Ezrael Sona lane? You have no way to protect your AD from damage, except for your gun; Sona+Ez's burst will do a lot more than your unfarmed Q will be able to do. The same holds true for a Taric Sivir lane, a Leona Corki lane, etc etc I guess the thing with supports is that it's quite easy to say "why ever use X, Y is better in all ways". I think there are plenty of viable support after the period of Soraka and Janna getting nerfed every patch. Sona and Taric are obviously very strong right now, Blitzcrank and Leona are good aggressive supports with their respective pros and cons, and Lulu is absolutely brutal to play against if you are playing a non-sustain lane. I think having 7 "viable" supports is plenty.... how many viable top lane bruisers are there?
In Tournaments? I've seen: Cho, Darius, Mundo, GP, Irelia, Jax, Jayce, Kayle, Lee, Malph, Nunu, Olaf, Panth, Renek, Riven, Shen, Singed, Udyr, and Yorik... recently, maybe more.
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On September 18 2012 15:05 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 14:57 Sufficiency wrote:On September 18 2012 14:42 EchelonTee wrote:On September 18 2012 14:27 agtemd wrote:
Anyone done GP support lately? It's so fun and I haven't lost my lane and game in the 5 games that i've played him as support.
Excelent poke with a global ulti that makes racking up assists easy as hell. It helps that you actualyl do damage too. Everytime my adc dies in a full on confrontation I usually rack up the double kill anyways.
It helps that you can get avarice blade too.
I go 0-21-9 with focus on MS in both trees which makes his poke even better. IMO, the support position has very very little flexibility; essentially, whenever I see myself matched against a non-standard support, I chuckle at the free win coming my way. Basically, any support that doesn't have very good damage potential, or very strong sustain is an easy win for any of the standard support combos. How will your support GP deal with an Ezrael Sona lane? You have no way to protect your AD from damage, except for your gun; Sona+Ez's burst will do a lot more than your unfarmed Q will be able to do. The same holds true for a Taric Sivir lane, a Leona Corki lane, etc etc I guess the thing with supports is that it's quite easy to say "why ever use X, Y is better in all ways". I think there are plenty of viable support after the period of Soraka and Janna getting nerfed every patch. Sona and Taric are obviously very strong right now, Blitzcrank and Leona are good aggressive supports with their respective pros and cons, and Lulu is absolutely brutal to play against if you are playing a non-sustain lane. I think having 7 "viable" supports is plenty.... how many viable top lane bruisers are there? In Tournaments? I've seen: Cho, Darius, Mundo, GP, Irelia, Jax, Jayce, Kayle, Lee, Malph, Nunu, Olaf, Panth, Renek, Riven, Shen, Singed, Udyr, and Yorik... recently, maybe more.
I am pretty sure in the regionals, only Darius Irelia Jax Jayce Olaf Shen and Yorick were played.
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On September 18 2012 14:51 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Shake your Lee plays make me all tingly inside.
Agreed, his highlight videos are damn impressive. The only problem is after watching them I go and play Lee Sin and proceed to just fall over left right and centre -.-
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I unintentionally qualified myself for the lolking contest by playing female champions 10 times over the last 10 games. Thank you Syndra.
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Shake needs to teach us how he breaks this game with lee. I could watch the plays over and over again and would still just botch the whole thing if I tried (and i just did. tower diving at level 4 too stronk).
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On September 18 2012 15:08 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 15:05 cLutZ wrote:On September 18 2012 14:57 Sufficiency wrote:On September 18 2012 14:42 EchelonTee wrote:On September 18 2012 14:27 agtemd wrote:
Anyone done GP support lately? It's so fun and I haven't lost my lane and game in the 5 games that i've played him as support.
Excelent poke with a global ulti that makes racking up assists easy as hell. It helps that you actualyl do damage too. Everytime my adc dies in a full on confrontation I usually rack up the double kill anyways.
It helps that you can get avarice blade too.
I go 0-21-9 with focus on MS in both trees which makes his poke even better. IMO, the support position has very very little flexibility; essentially, whenever I see myself matched against a non-standard support, I chuckle at the free win coming my way. Basically, any support that doesn't have very good damage potential, or very strong sustain is an easy win for any of the standard support combos. How will your support GP deal with an Ezrael Sona lane? You have no way to protect your AD from damage, except for your gun; Sona+Ez's burst will do a lot more than your unfarmed Q will be able to do. The same holds true for a Taric Sivir lane, a Leona Corki lane, etc etc I guess the thing with supports is that it's quite easy to say "why ever use X, Y is better in all ways". I think there are plenty of viable support after the period of Soraka and Janna getting nerfed every patch. Sona and Taric are obviously very strong right now, Blitzcrank and Leona are good aggressive supports with their respective pros and cons, and Lulu is absolutely brutal to play against if you are playing a non-sustain lane. I think having 7 "viable" supports is plenty.... how many viable top lane bruisers are there? In Tournaments? I've seen: Cho, Darius, Mundo, GP, Irelia, Jax, Jayce, Kayle, Lee, Malph, Nunu, Olaf, Panth, Renek, Riven, Shen, Singed, Udyr, and Yorik... recently, maybe more. I am pretty sure in the regionals, only Darius Irelia Jax Jayce Olaf Shen and Yorick were played.
Well that ignores all double AP comps which include Rumble and Vlad, which were played obviously + AP Nid.
And Kayle (but as AD Kayle).
Its also unfair to expect pros to try out things at such a high stakes tournament if they aren't comfortable with the champ AND think its a very strong champ.
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On September 18 2012 15:29 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 15:08 Sufficiency wrote:On September 18 2012 15:05 cLutZ wrote:On September 18 2012 14:57 Sufficiency wrote:On September 18 2012 14:42 EchelonTee wrote:On September 18 2012 14:27 agtemd wrote:
Anyone done GP support lately? It's so fun and I haven't lost my lane and game in the 5 games that i've played him as support.
Excelent poke with a global ulti that makes racking up assists easy as hell. It helps that you actualyl do damage too. Everytime my adc dies in a full on confrontation I usually rack up the double kill anyways.
It helps that you can get avarice blade too.
I go 0-21-9 with focus on MS in both trees which makes his poke even better. IMO, the support position has very very little flexibility; essentially, whenever I see myself matched against a non-standard support, I chuckle at the free win coming my way. Basically, any support that doesn't have very good damage potential, or very strong sustain is an easy win for any of the standard support combos. How will your support GP deal with an Ezrael Sona lane? You have no way to protect your AD from damage, except for your gun; Sona+Ez's burst will do a lot more than your unfarmed Q will be able to do. The same holds true for a Taric Sivir lane, a Leona Corki lane, etc etc I guess the thing with supports is that it's quite easy to say "why ever use X, Y is better in all ways". I think there are plenty of viable support after the period of Soraka and Janna getting nerfed every patch. Sona and Taric are obviously very strong right now, Blitzcrank and Leona are good aggressive supports with their respective pros and cons, and Lulu is absolutely brutal to play against if you are playing a non-sustain lane. I think having 7 "viable" supports is plenty.... how many viable top lane bruisers are there? In Tournaments? I've seen: Cho, Darius, Mundo, GP, Irelia, Jax, Jayce, Kayle, Lee, Malph, Nunu, Olaf, Panth, Renek, Riven, Shen, Singed, Udyr, and Yorik... recently, maybe more. I am pretty sure in the regionals, only Darius Irelia Jax Jayce Olaf Shen and Yorick were played. Well that ignores all double AP comps which include Rumble and Vlad, which were played obviously + AP Nid. And Kayle (but as AD Kayle). Its also unfair to expect pros to try out things at such a high stakes tournament if they aren't comfortable with the champ AND think its a very strong champ.
Exactly my point.
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On September 18 2012 13:48 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 13:45 zulu_nation8 wrote:
its more the graves vs vayne than blitz No, it's not.
yes wtf, graves pushes lane, blitz puts pressure, someone eventually gets hooked and dies to burst combo.
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I'm like all relaxed and shit after watching shakes video
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On September 18 2012 15:30 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 15:29 cLutZ wrote:On September 18 2012 15:08 Sufficiency wrote:On September 18 2012 15:05 cLutZ wrote:On September 18 2012 14:57 Sufficiency wrote:On September 18 2012 14:42 EchelonTee wrote:On September 18 2012 14:27 agtemd wrote:
Anyone done GP support lately? It's so fun and I haven't lost my lane and game in the 5 games that i've played him as support.
Excelent poke with a global ulti that makes racking up assists easy as hell. It helps that you actualyl do damage too. Everytime my adc dies in a full on confrontation I usually rack up the double kill anyways.
It helps that you can get avarice blade too.
I go 0-21-9 with focus on MS in both trees which makes his poke even better. IMO, the support position has very very little flexibility; essentially, whenever I see myself matched against a non-standard support, I chuckle at the free win coming my way. Basically, any support that doesn't have very good damage potential, or very strong sustain is an easy win for any of the standard support combos. How will your support GP deal with an Ezrael Sona lane? You have no way to protect your AD from damage, except for your gun; Sona+Ez's burst will do a lot more than your unfarmed Q will be able to do. The same holds true for a Taric Sivir lane, a Leona Corki lane, etc etc I guess the thing with supports is that it's quite easy to say "why ever use X, Y is better in all ways". I think there are plenty of viable support after the period of Soraka and Janna getting nerfed every patch. Sona and Taric are obviously very strong right now, Blitzcrank and Leona are good aggressive supports with their respective pros and cons, and Lulu is absolutely brutal to play against if you are playing a non-sustain lane. I think having 7 "viable" supports is plenty.... how many viable top lane bruisers are there? In Tournaments? I've seen: Cho, Darius, Mundo, GP, Irelia, Jax, Jayce, Kayle, Lee, Malph, Nunu, Olaf, Panth, Renek, Riven, Shen, Singed, Udyr, and Yorik... recently, maybe more. I am pretty sure in the regionals, only Darius Irelia Jax Jayce Olaf Shen and Yorick were played. Well that ignores all double AP comps which include Rumble and Vlad, which were played obviously + AP Nid. And Kayle (but as AD Kayle). Its also unfair to expect pros to try out things at such a high stakes tournament if they aren't comfortable with the champ AND think its a very strong champ. Exactly my point.
I don't get your point? EU regions saw Malph, GP, Nunu, Renekton, and Xin top in addition to the NA champs. A lot of it is just the comfort level NA Toplaners have with certain champs.
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I am eternal fan of Shake just because of his ridiculously awesome name. The fact that he makes da plays is just gravy.
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On September 18 2012 15:02 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 15:00 HazMat wrote:
I had a Graves ask me if QSS gets rid of Skarner ult at 1650 Elo. Interesting. I mean I guess he could just be new to AD? Or something? I vaguely recall a guy around 1400 complaining about how his Cleanse did not remove Skarnar ult.
Is Skarner ult a suppression? If it is then Cleanse doesn't remove it. Cleanse won't remove WW ult or Malz ult and I think Skarner ult is also a suppression. QSS is the only way in the game to remove suppression.
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On September 18 2012 15:43 Slusher wrote:
I'm like all relaxed and shit after watching shakes video
Yeah, that song choice.
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On September 18 2012 15:56 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 15:02 Sufficiency wrote:On September 18 2012 15:00 HazMat wrote:
I had a Graves ask me if QSS gets rid of Skarner ult at 1650 Elo. Interesting. I mean I guess he could just be new to AD? Or something? I vaguely recall a guy around 1400 complaining about how his Cleanse did not remove Skarnar ult. Is Skarner ult a suppression? If it is then Cleanse doesn't remove it. Cleanse won't remove WW ult or Malz ult and I think Skarner ult is also a suppression. QSS is the only way in the game to remove suppression.
Skarnar ult is suppression. All channeled CCs are suppression.
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On September 18 2012 15:08 Skithiryx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 14:51 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Shake your Lee plays make me all tingly inside. Agreed, his highlight videos are damn impressive. The only problem is after watching them I go and play Lee Sin and proceed to just fall over left right and centre -.-
I proceed to go legendary, and unable to carry my team >.< life of normal queue.
Seriously, shake lee sin so impressive. I wish I would be more patient w. my Q's on lee sin. Every move feels well thought out. Loved that TOO clip.
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Can't tell you how many times I've cockily built troll items on lee sin and lost.
gunblade, trinity, infinity edge, my old friends... I've died in so many teamfights with you in my hands...
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Dan Dihn has always been my favorite player out of the really unpleasant personalities in the LoL pro scene and I feel really bad for saying this, but he just seems awful now. Even in solo queue, he is doing bad for his standards.
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