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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 17:12:59
September 25 2012 17:10 GMT
#3701
On September 26 2012 02:00 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 22:49 Tal wrote:
I just feel with trist that if we go into the midgame ahead or even we are fine, but if we're even a little bit behind it's almost autolose, and we never reach a lategame. As you say, the weak midgame makes sense in terms of balancing her, but it leads to a lot of frustrating games where it feels like it's impossible to get back in. Any tips?

split push is the answer. just tell your team not to engage or get caught.

if you have a decent waveclear then you can hold 4v5 at tower easily.

This is a fair point, and is one of Trist's distinct advantages over other 4+1 carries--she can push lanes deeper than Kog'maw because she has an escape, and pushes much faster than Vayne because she has AoE creep clear.

On September 26 2012 02:08 Mogwai wrote:
You guys really need more DFG in your Annie builds. DFG is the most absurd bursting item in the game right now.

It was honestly a pretty smooth buy on her before the remake, it was just underbought in general then.

Naturally, given that its much better now, it's an obvious buy for her.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
September 25 2012 17:12 GMT
#3702
Annie da bes, never forget salcing 1v4/5ing at barno with tibbers up back in S1.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
September 25 2012 17:18 GMT
#3703
On September 26 2012 02:12 JackDino wrote:
Annie da bes, never forget salcing 1v4/5ing at barno with tibbers up back in S1.

Translation:

Annie DA BEARS, Never forget, Salsa recipe: 1 part annie to four-fifths part baron with a side of tibbers. Back in S1 this was the best salsa.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 25 2012 17:22 GMT
#3704
People forget that baron applies a stacking abyssal debuff :S I've had a lot of game where my teammates insist on doing 5v4 baron even though enemy team is like kennen/malphite/sona with their ults up.
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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
September 25 2012 17:23 GMT
#3705
Can i just mention how happy i am that Blitz free week is over?

Playing on my low level account was so annoying with so many bad blitzes on my side.
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
September 25 2012 17:33 GMT
#3706
On September 26 2012 02:23 Morfildur wrote:
Can i just mention how happy i am that Blitz free week is over?

Playing on my low level account was so annoying with so many bad blitzes on my side.


The Thirtieth Law of League Of Legends: A Blitzcrank on your team shall hit 0 hooks. Any enemy Blitzcrank has GODHAND.
JokerSan
Profile Joined April 2005
United States306 Posts
September 25 2012 17:34 GMT
#3707
I'm starting to hate RoA on all of my casters. It just seems like a crutch item. The only good part is the sustain and boost to mana, but if you just play better, you shouldn't really need those things. Nowadays it seems just so much better to get a pick and then rush dcap, hourglass, or dfg.
LoL: Soles | forever 1600
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 25 2012 17:35 GMT
#3708
On September 26 2012 02:33 Leonite7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 02:23 Morfildur wrote:
Can i just mention how happy i am that Blitz free week is over?

Playing on my low level account was so annoying with so many bad blitzes on my side.


The Thirtieth Law of League Of Legends: A Blitzcrank on your team shall hit 0 hooks. Any enemy Blitzcrank has GODHAND.


I dunno I played in a MF/Blitz lane and blitz just dominated everyone. Like I did nothing as MF
SoulSever
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada779 Posts
September 25 2012 17:41 GMT
#3709
Playing Corki I've been going Tri>LW>GA then I'm not sure if BT or IE is best. Advice? I would think IE is good because crit stacking but after GA respawn, lifesteal is super important
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 25 2012 17:45 GMT
#3710
On September 26 2012 02:35 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 02:33 Leonite7 wrote:
On September 26 2012 02:23 Morfildur wrote:
Can i just mention how happy i am that Blitz free week is over?

Playing on my low level account was so annoying with so many bad blitzes on my side.


The Thirtieth Law of League Of Legends: A Blitzcrank on your team shall hit 0 hooks. Any enemy Blitzcrank has GODHAND.


I dunno I played in a MF/Blitz lane and blitz just dominated everyone. Like I did nothing as MF

If I support, and blitz ain't banned, it's almost always an insta pick for me. I have god hands with blitz. Always land grabs. all day, erry day.
liftlift > tsm
StateAlchemist
Profile Joined January 2011
France1946 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 17:45:39
September 25 2012 17:45 GMT
#3711
I prefer triforce into IE or BT, depending of the situation. Not sure if LW is good to buy, if you're against people who heavily stack armor early on then yes, but i dont see a lot of people doing this nowadays.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 25 2012 17:46 GMT
#3712
On September 26 2012 02:41 SoulSever wrote:
Playing Corki I've been going Tri>LW>GA then I'm not sure if BT or IE is best. Advice? I would think IE is good because crit stacking but after GA respawn, lifesteal is super important


Can your team peel for you and frontline for you while you pewpew? IE
If you have to skirmish and sometimes 1v1 their carries (even their bruisers at times). BT
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
September 25 2012 17:49 GMT
#3713
On September 26 2012 02:34 JokerSan wrote:
I'm starting to hate RoA on all of my casters. It just seems like a crutch item. The only good part is the sustain and boost to mana, but if you just play better, you shouldn't really need those things. Nowadays it seems just so much better to get a pick and then rush dcap, hourglass, or dfg.


I've learned that Rylai's > RoA, nearly always. Unless you plan to buy both, or are in desperate need of mana, just get the Giant's Belt instead of Catalyst, and then finish the item and enjoy your slows.

I still have a soft spot in my heart for tanky-AP-cassiopeia, though. RoA>Rylai's>abyssal/hourglass>the other one>wota>never die, hue. I realize that never getting a DCap is kinda dumb, but I still feel like my damage is fine, and I can stay in teamfights forever.
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SoulSever
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada779 Posts
September 25 2012 17:51 GMT
#3714
On September 26 2012 02:45 StateAlchemist wrote:
I prefer triforce into IE or BT, depending of the situation. Not sure if LW is good to buy, if you're against people who heavily stack armor early on then yes, but i dont see a lot of people doing this nowadays.


Just kind of mindlessly gave it a go after browsing Genja's profile. Really liking it so far. The AD that LW gives is pretty decent and you finish around the time where people are starting to stack armor instead of health. Doesn't give them any kind of window where I do no damage to them
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 25 2012 17:58 GMT
#3715
MF Blitz is one of the best combos IMO. You hook and it guarantees full exposure to her E/R, which is a shit load of damage.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 25 2012 17:59 GMT
#3716
Well you have to understand this is like level 19 game and I play dota not LoL so my only LoL exposure is through streams. I don't think I've watched a pro MF so had no idea what I'm doing past mechanics. I think I went R > E > W and blitz just won the game while I was figuring out stuff. He roamed bot mid top everywhere and just dominated. Good blitz so strong at low levels ;<
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 18:08:21
September 25 2012 18:06 GMT
#3717
On September 26 2012 02:49 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 02:34 JokerSan wrote:
I'm starting to hate RoA on all of my casters. It just seems like a crutch item. The only good part is the sustain and boost to mana, but if you just play better, you shouldn't really need those things. Nowadays it seems just so much better to get a pick and then rush dcap, hourglass, or dfg.


I've learned that Rylai's > RoA, nearly always. Unless you plan to buy both, or are in desperate need of mana, just get the Giant's Belt instead of Catalyst, and then finish the item and enjoy your slows.

I still have a soft spot in my heart for tanky-AP-cassiopeia, though. RoA>Rylai's>abyssal/hourglass>the other one>wota>never die, hue. I realize that never getting a DCap is kinda dumb, but I still feel like my damage is fine, and I can stay in teamfights forever.



Cassio kind of needs to build tanky enough to survive and then the rest can be damage. That often means skipping the hat. Never getting it might be a mistake, but usually it's not your go-to item. Cassio is ok-ish with RoA, since even with your passive you might run oom, usually mana regen is preferred on her though.

Rod of Ages is really cost efficient, but only for champions that can make use of the extra mana pool. Catalyst is really good for lane too, which means that RoA has a nice way of building it. In the end there are only a few champion on which you really want RoA. With Karthus and Swain I always get it, Anivia, Kassadin and Ryze are good RoA candidates too. I used to like it on Ori, but am preferring grail a bit more these days.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 25 2012 18:07 GMT
#3718
Rylais + Dorans gives you the same health as RoA doesn't it? So you should never get RoA unless you get something out of that mana.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 18:11:47
September 25 2012 18:10 GMT
#3719
On September 26 2012 02:59 Numy wrote:
Well you have to understand this is like level 19 game and I play dota not LoL so my only LoL exposure is through streams. I don't think I've watched a pro MF so had no idea what I'm doing past mechanics. I think I went R > E > W and blitz just won the game while I was figuring out stuff. He roamed bot mid top everywhere and just dominated. Good blitz so strong at low levels ;<

good blitz is strong at any level, even in tourney picks.
I think MF is suppose to be R>W>Q>E.
Personally I don't think MF syncrho's well with Blitz, pre-6, and post 6, that combo isn't any more deadly then any other offensive supports post 6. (like taric or leona). blitz's pre-6 is super deadly if done correctly. But it doesn't really matter, since MF should almost always win lane phase anyways, she's got one of the strongest laning phases in the game.

Also on the topic of giving support cs, i've noticed crs's botlane does this with elementz, cop seems to give a decent amount of cs to elementz, especially if elementz is playing fiddle or blitz.


RoA has catalyst, which is fucking amazing during laning phase, I dunno why people discount catalyst?
liftlift > tsm
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 18:13:57
September 25 2012 18:13 GMT
#3720
I thought MFs maxed E after W, since the slow scales and Q mana cost scales, which makes it really expensive.


On September 26 2012 03:07 xes wrote:
Rylais + Dorans gives you the same health as RoA doesn't it? So you should never get RoA unless you get something out of that mana.



Ya, RoA is only for champs that can make use of the mana pool.
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