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loci post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16155142
Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 06:28 Craton wrote: He couldn't cut it as a top player, so the next best thing involving League was being a caster, but he's not cut out for a top caster, either. Probably is why he's doing the gimmicky telestrator screen. On September 07 2012 05:43 cLutZ wrote:
My roblem with casters is when they try to explain things that are so basic I feel like an idiot listening.
"The goal is to lasthit minions so you can get gold." or "Taking that first dragon is going to give them global gold."
Then there are the ones who say things that are bizarre/wrong. "Maokai is a really strong farmer against Shyvana." Sounds like Phreak. I 100% disagree with the fact that Dan "isn't a top player." Dan is one of the best leaders in the game. I put Dan and Jatt as the two best leaders. If I made a team I would have Dan or Jatt as my jungler, period. Remember when EG was pretty good? They had Dan. Remember how EG isn't as good? They don't have Dan. Mechanically Dan may not be the best player and in solo queue he's willing to take chances that he wouldn't normally take, but don't for a second think that Dan plays competitively like he does in solo queue. Competitive LoL isn't so much about mechanics as it is about strategy and execution of the strategy. I'm not saying that mechanics don't mean anything, but I think people tend to put too much emphasis on them. I'll try to give you guys some insight into playing competitively that might be lacking on TL (note: this is just my opinion and by no means the final word on competitive play). When I played for Dignitas at IPL the sole reason we won was because of our play calling and cohesiveness. Who called our plays? Our jungler (Jatt). He did a damn fine job of it too. If you guys watch the series on youtube I think we got literally every single dragon in that tournament. If you then watch our teamfighting, Jatt would usually run in and pretty much die, and we would win. Why? Because he knew how to initiate. Initiation does not require much "mechanical" skill, but it requires a good understanding of teamcomposition and each team's current positioning and current powerlevel. You need to know who to initiate on and how the teamfight will play out. Hell, when Jatt was Trundle he would literally pillar, run in, ult a carry, and die. What I find teams are usually missing are good leaders and disciplined players. An example of a lack of discipline would be in a recent game I saw (can't remember if it was a different IPL or not) when Regi as Ahri went for a kill against Elementz's fiddle support in mid lane. While almost killing Elementz, he got feared in the process and Crs came out of the jungle and got a free kill. Even if Regi did get the kill against Elementz most of Crs was missing and there was the chance he would die as well. In a competitive game you shouldn't take those chances. Those kind of mistakes can cause a team to lose the game. At the end of the day a team needs a leader and it needs people willing to follow that leader, otherwise you get bickering and indecision that leads to slow reactions and losses. At IPL we were the most organized team, and I believe it showed. I would have talked about my time on CLG but that was a couple years ago and everyone was bad at the game. Just for those who don't know, I used to actually play for CLG. The original team was myself, Hotshot, Chauster, Jiji, and Kobe. Elementz ended up taking my spot because I decided it was more important to focus on school at the time (He went to WCG 2010 in my place).
These factors aren't really susceptible to analysis by low skilled players. All they can see is the mechanical mistakes or missing pieces of knowledge which JUST DON'T MATTER THAT MUCH.
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On September 24 2012 05:12 qanik wrote:
That is the worst teem build I've ever seen. He was ahead but instead of capitalizing his advantage, he went for philo and dorans blade? He could've owned vlad so much harder.. And then he proceed to build CDR boots + shurelya, combine with DFG gave he way above 40% CDR. thus delaying Death cap and render himself un-threatful.
I think the ionian boots was to cover for lack of CDR before shurelya's, where CDR for a lot of shrooms during laning phase. I personally would've gone merc treads against the Vlad.
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On September 24 2012 05:11 wei2coolman wrote:Well Zyra has been pretty fucking good since release. Been op'd for a while. And Ahri's just fucking stupid champ, she has no bad lanes, and can carry solo queue pretty easy. Winrate at high elo solo queue is pretty good representation of how good it is in current solo queue meta imo. With exception of those who are perma-banned status. Also, I'm so sad  , AL threw so hard by letting Baron stolen. SPELLSY, Wai you guys keep going for dat baron?
Yeah, but it's not like I'm high Elo so whatever they are doing up there, I'm not capable of reproducing it. I suck at the role, I suck at these champions, I just think they're more fun to play than HIT Q, R EVERYTHING Diana, SUP BEST ULT IN THE GAME Gragas or HEYWHAT'SUP I CAN FARM REALLY WELL Morgana. Really just a matter of preference, I'm not really good at either of them.
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I will explain in more detail
There are several kinds of critiques, first one I can think of is critiquing someone for missing information he should have known, for example not seeing the enemy jungler head top after holding a lane and thus not factoring a gank in the near future into consideration when laning. These kinds of mistakes almost never happens in 5s, and if it does it has more to do with a team's communication and overall awareness rather than the individual player's awareness. So if someone gets ganked in a pro game and he indeed had 0 knowledge about it and didn't expect it all, not really his fault but the team's in general.
Second kind is critiquing logic. For example if a jungler chooses to gank a losing lane, while understanding he will most likely get counterganked and snowball the enemy team even further, but chooses to do it anyway on the logic that he thinks his lane can burst down down the other lane fast enough that they won't get counterganked, for the reason that if he doesn't gank the losing lane, it will be over and the other lane will be strong enough to 1v2 soon; If that gank fails for whatever reason, because he underestimated the enemy laner's strength, misjudged how far away the enemy jungler is, etc, as a spectator you OUGHT to only critique his logic. And if the situation is really as I just described, his logic would be technically correct in most situations, but he cannot predict how the actual gank itself will turn out. In that case it's really no one's fault unless they did fuck up the gank mechanically. Criticizing the gank AFTER it doesn't work and the jungler for being stupid is being results oriented and dumb, this is the level of critique of pretty much every caster and fanboy.
There are more types but basically, spectators are results oriented, and are inevitably so because they don't know what a team is actually thinking. But despite that you should have a self-awareness that you are results oriented and you don't understand every decision a team or a player makes. People are too fast to pass judgment on players, and are not rational enough when analyzing games. During laning at least, mistakes usually are a team's responsibility than any individual's, unless someone dies 1v1. Don't watch the games like you're playing solo queue, don't just blame and be like so and so is the worst jungler in game. I mean you can think that but please don't shit up the forums like that's actually a worthwhile opinion.
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Krepo, Froggen and Yellowpete denied by US customs. gg
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Personally, my impression of Hotshot has nothing to do with critiquing his play, but rather his attitude. Pretty much any time I've seen someone critique him on the team (be it Chauster, Saint, etc.), he has always been very defensive, and doesn't feel like he really listens to those criticisms. Even if you're not *wrong*, and their criticism is off-base, there's always SOMETHING you can learn from other peoples' criticisms (for example, if your top laner complains that as a jungler you don't gank enough for them--even if in this particular game it wasn't really practical to do so, you might make note of the fact that your top laner plays more comfortably if you give them little more attention--and apply this to future games). It is NEVER helpful to be defensive about it--it's something that is detrimental to your growth as a player, particularly as a player in a team environment where you have to be able to trust your teammates. This is what I have meant by "his attitude doesn't feel like he's compatible with competitive teamplay" before.
At the same time, this is not a flaw that I can say is unique to him amongst LoL pros (if Chauster's AMA is to be believed, it's a problem that plagues CLG as a team--with Doublelift being the only one to really learn from his mistakes).
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Client said server is unavailable for like 5minutes for me.
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They failed the football-soccer check for terrorists. they have a couple weeks to learn the difference tho so its okay.
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dude i see 'scarfs' online in channel and its pretty full anyway its probably on your end
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On September 24 2012 05:25 Zhiroo wrote:
Client said server is unavailable for like 5minutes for me.
just got a little patch that didn't exist this morning, but the server is available.
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On September 24 2012 05:14 UniversalSnip wrote:loci post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16155142Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 06:28 Craton wrote: He couldn't cut it as a top player, so the next best thing involving League was being a caster, but he's not cut out for a top caster, either. Probably is why he's doing the gimmicky telestrator screen. On September 07 2012 05:43 cLutZ wrote:
My roblem with casters is when they try to explain things that are so basic I feel like an idiot listening.
"The goal is to lasthit minions so you can get gold." or "Taking that first dragon is going to give them global gold."
Then there are the ones who say things that are bizarre/wrong. "Maokai is a really strong farmer against Shyvana." Sounds like Phreak. I 100% disagree with the fact that Dan "isn't a top player." Dan is one of the best leaders in the game. I put Dan and Jatt as the two best leaders. If I made a team I would have Dan or Jatt as my jungler, period. Remember when EG was pretty good? They had Dan. Remember how EG isn't as good? They don't have Dan. Mechanically Dan may not be the best player and in solo queue he's willing to take chances that he wouldn't normally take, but don't for a second think that Dan plays competitively like he does in solo queue. Competitive LoL isn't so much about mechanics as it is about strategy and execution of the strategy. I'm not saying that mechanics don't mean anything, but I think people tend to put too much emphasis on them. I'll try to give you guys some insight into playing competitively that might be lacking on TL (note: this is just my opinion and by no means the final word on competitive play). When I played for Dignitas at IPL the sole reason we won was because of our play calling and cohesiveness. Who called our plays? Our jungler (Jatt). He did a damn fine job of it too. If you guys watch the series on youtube I think we got literally every single dragon in that tournament. If you then watch our teamfighting, Jatt would usually run in and pretty much die, and we would win. Why? Because he knew how to initiate. Initiation does not require much "mechanical" skill, but it requires a good understanding of teamcomposition and each team's current positioning and current powerlevel. You need to know who to initiate on and how the teamfight will play out. Hell, when Jatt was Trundle he would literally pillar, run in, ult a carry, and die. What I find teams are usually missing are good leaders and disciplined players. An example of a lack of discipline would be in a recent game I saw (can't remember if it was a different IPL or not) when Regi as Ahri went for a kill against Elementz's fiddle support in mid lane. While almost killing Elementz, he got feared in the process and Crs came out of the jungle and got a free kill. Even if Regi did get the kill against Elementz most of Crs was missing and there was the chance he would die as well. In a competitive game you shouldn't take those chances. Those kind of mistakes can cause a team to lose the game. At the end of the day a team needs a leader and it needs people willing to follow that leader, otherwise you get bickering and indecision that leads to slow reactions and losses. At IPL we were the most organized team, and I believe it showed. I would have talked about my time on CLG but that was a couple years ago and everyone was bad at the game. Just for those who don't know, I used to actually play for CLG. The original team was myself, Hotshot, Chauster, Jiji, and Kobe. Elementz ended up taking my spot because I decided it was more important to focus on school at the time (He went to WCG 2010 in my place). These factors aren't really susceptible to analysis by low skilled players. All they can see is the mechanical mistakes or missing pieces of knowledge which JUST DON'T MATTER THAT MUCH.
These factors aren't susceptible to analyse by high skilled players either because you need to be part of the team (or hear the conversations) to know if there is a leader or not... This has nothing to do with skill but information.
Note that Loci doesn't say that Dan has great mechanics but that people can't see it because it's too high skilled.
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Hmm, lately I'm not like exited to play, but I got banned 3 day ago, 1 hour till my bans lifted and IM SO FUCKING EXITED :D
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On September 24 2012 05:11 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Is it just me, or do most jungle alistar players now suck. Or maybe people are able to deal with lvl 2 and constant ganks better.
Ali has joined the ranks of Kass and Morg as one of the "he's always banned, so i need to pick him and feed" champions.
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So half of CLG.EU just got denied entry to US. Ill assume its not them being terrorists and just not filling out the proper papers. Wonder who teams screw things like that up since i would assume people know by now its something you have to get right.
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Speaking of bans... I read not long ago that Riot would start to ban out people who trollpicked in champion select to force others to dodge. I sometimes use this tactic, like when I get in my team "Xx5k4t3rG0H4NxX", "WORST TOP BR", surge/tp graves and ghost/heal yi, I just pick promote/cv soraka and wait until last second to dodge myself or switch my summoners to legit ones and carry on with the game. Does anyone know if they actually started banning people for that? If so, how do they get the reports? It is hard to believe that players will take the effort to screenshoot it and send it to Riot with a ticket...
Just out of curiosity, I wouldn't mind stopping to do that.
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On September 24 2012 05:27 OutlaW- wrote:
dude i see 'scarfs' online in channel and its pretty full anyway its probably on your end
Wasn't only me dude people were bitching about EuW being down in Reddit. Apparently typing down 'thereisnourflevel' or switching servers then switching back allowed you to log in but I saw that too late. Anyways it went green like after 5 mins.
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On September 24 2012 05:46 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 05:11 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Is it just me, or do most jungle alistar players now suck. Or maybe people are able to deal with lvl 2 and constant ganks better. Ali has joined the ranks of Kass and Morg as one of the "he's always banned, so i need to pick him and feed" champions.
I never in my life see people banning kass or morg.
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On September 24 2012 05:55 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 05:46 Requizen wrote:On September 24 2012 05:11 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Is it just me, or do most jungle alistar players now suck. Or maybe people are able to deal with lvl 2 and constant ganks better. Ali has joined the ranks of Kass and Morg as one of the "he's always banned, so i need to pick him and feed" champions. I never in my life see people banning kass or morg.
Did you not play like ~2 months ago? I couldn't convince people not to.
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