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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:01 GranDim wrote: More like which Twisted Fate won the race to 20 mejai stack. There was also the fiddle meta and the Twitch + Kayle meta. Eve + 6 Sunfire meta | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 19 2012 08:32 Shiv. wrote: Okay, but except him being all cutesy and shit, they're practically the same assholes in lane, or am I missing something? you're missing CDs and leveling paths. Omen of Famine can be powerleveled to level your damage and sustain at the same time, all going on a 6 second CD. The fact that Nunu has to power level consume to put consume on the same level of crazy lane sustain means he loses damage output, which is why they don't do it, which means that there are actually punishable gaps inbetween Nunu's CDs, as opposed to Yorrick. Also, ghouls lag the game and make it impossible to click on anything without introducing any interesting or fun gameplay. Say what you will about Nunu, but at least what he's doing is simple and straight to the point and doesn't fuck with your basic mechanics by halving your framerate or making everything impossible to click on. On September 19 2012 12:20 gtrsrs wrote: on a related but still completely true note, when i started the game, soraka's ult had a 2.0 AP ratio, healed 100-150 more base heal, and had like 30s shorter cd at all levels. and she was considered a trash tier champ h4h4h4 until people started playing tournaments and getting better and they had to nerf the tits off the kid. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On September 19 2012 12:42 Requizen wrote: General question: when jungling: do you gank the lane that needs to be ganked, or the one that's easy to gank? Situation. I'm Hec jungle. Top is overextended and not warded, but our Yorick is doing fine on farm and kills. Mid is getting shit on, but Annie is playing way safe and always seems to have her stun ready when I show up. Top doesn't need my help, mid does, but mid is nigh impossible to gank, while top is easy. Opinions? Gank top, mid is really hard to gank unless you come at the exact timing | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/world-championship-hotfix-notes Interesting to note: Rengar Rengar can no longer speak his VO lines when he is dead Unseen Predator After leaping, Rengar will now immediately attack the target if it is a Champion Jumping between targets is now smoother Unseen Predator now correctly shows up in death recap Savagery Damage increased to 30/60/90/120/150 from 30/55/80/105/130 The attack speed bonus now applies to his first attack after activation Battle Roar No longer has a cast time (can be cast while moving) Ability power ratio reduced to 0.8 from 1 Rengar no longer loses his attack command after using Battle Roar Bola Strike Now procs Sheen/Trinity Force/Lich Bane Thrill of the Hunt Movement Speed bonus increased to 20/25/30% from 10/15/20% AP Rengar gets nerfed in Shout damage, gains ranged Lichbane nuke. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:01 Vingle wrote: You took the words right out of my salivating mouth. must've been while you were kissing him. + Show Spoiler + meatloaf | ||
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Jumbled
1543 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:06 Requizen wrote: Patch Notes: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/world-championship-hotfix-notes Interesting to note: AP Rengar gets nerfed in Shout damage, gains ranged Lichbane nuke. You're misreading it. Bola Strike doesn't deliver the damage from Sheen et al, they just fixed it so that it actually procs the effect correctly. The damage is still delivered on the next autoattack. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:12 Jumbled wrote: You're misreading it. Bola Strike doesn't deliver the damage from Sheen et al, they just fixed it so that it actually procs the effect correctly. The damage is still delivered on the next autoattack. Ah, so it didn't even give you the proc before? Didn't play him, seems like a pretty shitty bug. | ||
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Glaceau
Wales333 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:13 Requizen wrote: Ah, so it didn't even give you the proc before? Didn't play him, seems like a pretty shitty bug. more importantly, triforce is now much better on him | ||
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Jumbled
1543 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:13 Requizen wrote: Ah, so it didn't even give you the proc before? Didn't play him, seems like a pretty shitty bug. I can't say for sure, since I don't usually build those items on him, but it seems pretty likely that's the patch notes what the patch notes are intended to say. | ||
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Korlin
Canada142 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:16 Jumbled wrote: I can't say for sure, since I don't usually build those items on him, but it seems pretty likely that's the patch notes what the patch notes are intended to say. Yeah I remember when I played him on PBE before the bola didn't even give you the proc. I thought it was kind of odd at the time. | ||
TheSinisterRed
United States1546 Posts
On September 19 2012 11:42 Jumbled wrote: I actually went the reverse route, switching from maxing W to maxing Q. W has nice range and good damage when you hit it, but it telegraphs itself so much that I feel it's unreliable against an alert opponent in lane. Landing it can be a problem, but I find if I W the orb or minion close to my opponent it lands faster and is easier to hit. Then again, I am pretty low elo so I don't have alert lane opponents often. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:03 Mogwai wrote: you're missing CDs and leveling paths. Omen of Famine can be powerleveled to level your damage and sustain at the same time, all going on a 6 second CD. The fact that Nunu has to power level consume to put consume on the same level of crazy lane sustain means he loses damage output, which is why they don't do it, which means that there are actually punishable gaps inbetween Nunu's CDs, as opposed to Yorrick. Also, ghouls lag the game and make it impossible to click on anything without introducing any interesting or fun gameplay. Say what you will about Nunu, but at least what he's doing is simple and straight to the point and doesn't fuck with your basic mechanics by halving your framerate or making everything impossible to click on. until people started playing tournaments and getting better and they had to nerf the tits off the kid. I dunno, it's fucking hard to CS when you're at -60% movespeed and -25% AS over half the time. I am walking up to the low health creep ahh snowball noooOOoooo... *starts auto animation as minions steal cs* Soraka was trash tier what? I remember her consistently having one of the top winrates (bringing winrate into conversation... ugh i hate myself right now!) though this might be because most games, nobody would pick a real support for their duo lane, so when someone did, they were pretty heavily favored. (I remember doing a lot of soraka or sona + ANYTHING in bot lane and winning lane 90% of the time with pure faceroll, but it was always against things that people would consider trash bot lane comps now, since this was back when AD carry was usually mid.) | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:31 sylverfyre wrote: I dunno, it's fucking hard to CS when you're at -60% movespeed and -25% AS over half the time. I am walking up to the low health creep ahh snowball noooOOoooo... *starts auto animation as minions steal cs* Soraka was trash tier what? I remember her consistently having one of the top winrates (bringing winrate into conversation... ugh i hate myself right now!) though this might be because most games, nobody would pick a real support for their duo lane, so when someone did, they were pretty heavily favored. (I remember doing a lot of soraka or sona + ANYTHING in bot lane and winning lane 90% of the time with pure faceroll, but it was always against things that people would consider trash bot lane comps now, since this was back when AD carry was usually mid.) Soraka was trash tier when roaming supports were powerful. Babysitting bottom lane didn't mean jack when roaming ganks were trashing top and mid and Soraka had no counter-roaming ability. So picking Soraka meant you had 1 winning lane and 2 losing lanes + losing jungle. It doesn't matter how well you babysit your carry in that scenario--if you're losing both other lanes and jungle, it's hard to carry from that situation. When roaming essentially died, Soraka became god-tier because she was far and away the best support on lane, just with the tradeoff of zero roaming power (which instantly became irrelevant because nobody was roaming anymore). | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:42 TheYango wrote: Soraka was trash tier when roaming supports were powerful. Babysitting bottom lane didn't mean jack when roaming ganks were trashing top and mid and Soraka had no counter-roaming ability. So picking Soraka meant you had 1 winning lane and 2 losing lanes + losing jungle. It doesn't matter how well you babysit your carry in that scenario--if you're losing both other lanes and jungle, it's hard to carry from that situation. When roaming essentially died, Soraka became god-tier because she was far and away the best support on lane, just with the tradeoff of zero roaming power (which instantly became irrelevant because nobody was roaming anymore). Oh yeah, I remember the hard-roam meta. Ali / Taric all day every day. | ||
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gaizka
United States991 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:43 Cloud9157 wrote: I like the little Wukong q buff. Hated when I couldn't get off my full damage from e>aa>q. Now if only q slowed... And dealt 20% of max hp as magic damage, and was 0 mana... fuck jayce, Fuck taht guy. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:50 sylverfyre wrote: Oh yeah, I remember the hard-roam meta. Ali / Taric all day every day. Practically speaking, that's probably one of the best examples of perceived champion strength being skewed by the popular styles of play. Soraka and Sona were actually quite good at the time, it's just the most common styles of play on NA didn't favor supports with no roaming power, so they were perceived as trash tier. Realistically, roaming supports and babysitting supports were probably balanced relative to one another (as evidenced by roaming's popularity on NA and babysitting supports' popularity on EU), with the particulars dictated by the draft in a given game (e.g. drafting a safe jungler and hard to gank laners discourages roaming). Then Riot decided they just didn't like roaming (which I do not understand, as I think the dynamic between having a roaming support vs. having a lane support is an interesting one) so they essentially gutted some of the core champions to roaming's viability (remade Alistar, nerfed Eve into the ground, severely nerfed the 1v2-ing ability of various core bot lane champions like Cho'gath). This killed roaming and thrust Soraka and Sona into "OP" status because suddenly their tradeoff for strong laning power was no longer a drawback anymore. | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
On September 19 2012 14:01 Vanka wrote: I've interrupted jax and panth's jumps with Alistar q and janna tornado, can anyone confirm any other gap closers they stop? Jayce, irelia, amumu? I know it stops Amumu at whatever point he was in flight same with Irelia. Not sure of them all but if you ever interupt Corki/Trist jumps with Tornado every now and again it seems to just freak out and launch them into space for about 20 seconds. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
Repeating this since it got ignored T_T: Can plat/diamond players explain to me armor quints vs hp/5 top lane? I want to hear how lane mechanics would work in high level play. All I know is the basics that hp/5 is better to heal up and armor quints wins you trades. | ||
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