EPT[Patch 1.0.0.146: Late August] General Discussion - Page 152
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Kaal
Djibouti2539 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On September 12 2012 17:59 Kaal wrote: Anyone know when the Korean Champs come on? Is it in an hour? 35 minutes. There is a special Thread for it. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11713 Posts
On September 12 2012 16:02 Lmui wrote: Alright I'm learning the intricacies of top lane. In a game today, I was playing jax vs darius, I got a kill onto darius at level 4, cleared the wave, sent ~3 creeps into his tower, nothing much and then the lane reset to the middle. I came back with a definite item advantage, double dorans + ward + pots vs a ruby crystal. I kept the advantage and attempted to snowball it but from level 6 onwards, I was constantly towerdived by their mid or their mid+jungle. I consistently took one or two of them with me so I was staying even as far as kills go but would lose 1-2 waves of creeps to tower. I slowly lost the early lead I held thanks to that because I was falling behind in levels even though I was still ahead/even in gold. Besides having your jungler/mid do something as absurd as come top, is there any other way to deal with that? Do I just run away from tower as soon as I know the tower dive is coming and sacrifice the tower instead of trading kills away? Sacrifice the tower and freeze the lane at the inner turret? On another note, AP eve is so dumb if she gets one or two kills early. Early dfg -> surprise ganks on any lane that'll remove 50% of someones health if they flash immediately and kills them if the stay for another second. I think Riot needs to look again at 1.0 scaling skills on short cooldowns, especially on champions paired with high mobility (rengar ==  Your team should also be getting drakes while that is happening. | ||
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Solaris.playgu
Sweden480 Posts
On September 12 2012 17:28 TheLink wrote: Ashe is serving drinks to Gragas, Gangplank, Olaf and randomly Teemo. Didn't recognise it as his hand until you pointed it out. :S Justicar skins light balls are waaaaay harder to see than normal Syndra's dark balls. Also Lmui you can just wander down mid and take that tower if theres 3 top (depending on each sides wave-clearing, but jax is pretty good at pushing). Mid outer is the most valuable tower on the map imo. Mid outer is really important, but as a jungler I also consider purple outer top and blue outer bottom extremely important because they give free access to a huge part of red-side jungle to the enemy. It not only makes stealing camps easy, but also gives easy ganking paths mid and makes a large part of the jungle unsafe for the jungler. Blue-side (bluebuff that is) is way easier to defend because a single ward att bluebuff will spot all gank-attempts as well as all attempts to steal blue. Losing bot tower as blue team also gives a huge amount of dragon control to the enemy team. You could probably say the same for purple teams top tower and baron-control, but at that point it will be a lot less significant since the laning phase is already over and both teams have started grouping up, in which case it is mosly a question of warding properly. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Jungle TF... Where's Two_Down? | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Every time, I'm like "oh no, I'm gonna die in this teamfight!". But then enemy Yorick goes, "It's k bro, I got you, eat this". And then I nom his ghouls and get triple kills. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
On September 12 2012 22:43 Requizen wrote: I would just like to thank anyone who plays Yorick against Nunu. Every time, I'm like "oh no, I'm gonna die in this teamfight!". But then enemy Yorick goes, "It's k bro, I got you, eat this". And then I nom his ghouls and get triple kills. You, good sir, win this thread. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On September 12 2012 22:43 Requizen wrote: I would just like to thank anyone who plays Yorick against Nunu. Every time, I'm like "oh no, I'm gonna die in this teamfight!". But then enemy Yorick goes, "It's k bro, I got you, eat this". And then I nom his ghouls and get triple kills. Or we can all just hate both of them. Since both are dickhead top laners. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On September 12 2012 22:34 JackDino wrote: nvm comment wasn't sarcastic enough? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Lee Sin Udyr Shyvana Mundo Sound like no brainers to me. Other junglers I should be warry of? Maybe Nunu. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 12 2012 23:31 -Zoda- wrote: I'd definitely ban Lesan and Yudeer. These guys are just very strong 1v1 early and you can counterjungle as you please. Shyvana also but she's not played a lot imo. And from what I experienced Mundo needs to coordinate with other lanes to counterjungle without risk, maybe I played him bad but I felt a bit fragile with him if you have to fight in the jangle, if you know where the ennemy jungler is it's very easy tho. Nunu sounds annoying but not scary in jungle Nunu won't counterjungle in that he'll fight you at level 1, but he will steal all your shit and laugh while doing it. If he's good, that is, but I really only see Nunu as support at my ELO anyway unless I'm playing him top. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
No it actually was a question that didn't need ot be answered anymore because I spoke to god. Fuck is your problem | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On September 12 2012 23:21 Alaric wrote: Let's say I want to train Maokai without having to worry too much about counterjungling and stuff like that, to focus on my ganking. Who should I ban? Lee Sin Udyr Shyvana Mundo Sound like no brainers to me. Other junglers I should be warry of? Maybe Nunu. you don't need to ban anything but banning lee would be a good bet because he's pretty annoying In about 90% of games you won't need to worry about invades, and in the other 10% well yousaid you wanted to train maokai so why are you scared of invade plays? Top teams don't ban agressive junglesr when they play maokai why should you, it's good experience to learn to play against it. If you play maokai scared you're never going to be confident with him. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On September 12 2012 23:48 JackDino wrote: No it actually was a question that didn't need ot be answered anymore because I spoke to god. Fuck is your problem was a joke dudez why so mad | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 12 2012 23:50 Slayer91 wrote: you don't need to ban anything but banning lee would be a good bet because he's pretty annoying In about 90% of games you won't need to worry about invades, and in the other 10% well yousaid you wanted to train maokai so why are you scared of invade plays? Top teams don't ban agressive junglesr when they play maokai why should you, it's good experience to learn to play against it. If you play maokai scared you're never going to be confident with him. I want to train specific aspects, namely learn to force myself to gank more. It'd be a lot harder to do it if I have to deal with counterjungling and invades since I don't trust my soloQ teammates to collapse on him should his happen (or even to pick strong early laners if I have Mao), so until I'm satisfied with my "attitude" toward ganking I'd rather avoid the more aggressive match-ups. If I wanted to improve my Mao in general I wouldn't try to ban anything (as much as Irelia vs Jayce makes me rage, I don't ban him because I have to be able to handle the match-up). | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
in any case your idea is stupid because not only will you not be fucked with like 90%+ of the time if you're ganknig a lot you don't care about counterjungling because you aren't there | ||
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
On September 12 2012 00:17 TheYango wrote: This is a good point that's also supported by the fact that drafting in DotA is actually noticeably less counterpick-oriented than LoL. Could you give a detailed description of how a draft would go with a 2nd ban phase (picks, bans and why you would pick/ban those champs)? I'm having a hard time seeing how a 2nd ban phase would largely affect the game | ||
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