EPT[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 100
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ihasaKAROT
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Shiv.
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On August 22 2012 14:40 Sufficiency wrote: Please don't jungle with Diana. She is pretty bad at that role. While this might be true (I wouldn't know), she's a, lemme quote Smash on this, metric fuckton of fun to play in the jungle. Always clear in 3 seconds never lose more than 10% HP. Haven't played her in ranked because I suck balls at jungling, but in normals, she seems REALLY good if you manage to get ahead just a little. Snowballs so well. If I manage to get a second blue buff, I feel like I really have to mess up to not make a serious impact on the game any more. I mean, sure, she might not be the best, but she's INSANELY fun. Also, I've managed to get Kage/2xDoran's/Sorc/Deathcap in under 20 minutes every time I've jungled her, so that might explain the amounts of fun I had this far. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
tbh if you are scoring free wins off Zyra support it's probably a shoehorn support picking Zyra out of spite, a support main rocking Zyra can get a lot of milage out of her (I feel the same way about support Ashe) | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
But I'll get my usual support to play zyra a few times, maybe she does like it | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I think he really really good, you can play him just like Shyvana; has same Q, W makes him clear stupid fast, his R does effectively the same thing in a teamfight (just no CC I guess). Thing is his ganks actually like really really good. He impossible to juke and if you save up 4 Fury charges you can have them slowed by 50% for 5 seconds as early as level 2 with double E with a 1 second root while being able to teleport directly to the enemy champion. Imo his mid lane ganks like the best in the entire game. Just walk into sidebrush, insta teleport to them and double E. Rengar feels so versatile in the jungle, and his Q aa reset as well as his free resists from W make him a pretty good duelist too. I dunno about at a competitive level but at my low Elo this champion feels really really strong. Been going Q first for buff camp because it stronger single target and it allows you to build up more Fury charges (so you can either double E for ganks, or double W for instaclear small camps) then either E if I want to ganks level 2 or W if I want to just free farm. (Never seen him win a top lane though in about 4-5 games.) | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 22 2012 15:53 ChaoSbringer wrote: I feel like Riot need to release a new Support Champion. It has been 8 champions since Lulu, 9 if you want to count the upcoming Syndra release. While true, there just isn't much more for them to do as far as straight foreword supports, I honestly don't think they could add something better at support than Zyra without recycling moves from the traditional supports, if that makes sense. I'd love to be proven wrong (I would love to see a bard type) but I just don't see that happening and I'm pretty sure a true bard would make either Sona bad, or be outshined by Sona. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On August 22 2012 17:47 zulu_nation8 wrote: diana jungle is fine.. Jungle is fine but mid is quicker. | ||
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Leonite7
Ireland921 Posts
On August 22 2012 17:52 TheKefka wrote: I think rengar is pretty mediocre to borderline bad as he is right now. So me using my Orianna refund to buy pentakill yorick and trundle was not a stupid idea? | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On August 22 2012 17:55 Leonite7 wrote: So me using my Orianna refund to buy pentakill yorick and trundle was not a stupid idea? Well, you got a Yorick skin, so obviously it WAS a stupid idea. Getting Trundle was choice, though. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 22 2012 17:52 TheKefka wrote: I think rengar is pretty mediocre to borderline bad as he is right now. Jungle is fine but mid is quicker. I think Rengar top lane is pretty broken. He has great sustain, a gap closer, a CC, a steroid, manaless, and his R stealths him immediately so he gets away from any ganks. As for the jungle Diana issue, I will conservatively say that it's "just as good" as Olaf or Jax jungle. Sure, you might be able to do great in case you got lucky and got fed via ganking, but they are just so much better at laning that there is absolutely no point in taking them to the jungle.... even though all of them have some sort of CC and camp clear which allow them to jungle. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Oh well. It'll be easy to save up for Syndra over the next couple weeks. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On August 22 2012 18:02 Sufficiency wrote: I think Rengar top lane is pretty broken. He has great sustain, a gap closer, a CC, a steroid, manaless, and his R stealths him immediately so he gets away from any ganks. Yea see that's the thing,he might have all that but he doesn't actually do any damage lol. He has a gap closer yea and when he gets close to you the only thing you need to do is stand,fight and kill him. Only thing he has going for him top lane right now is that his ult is kinda a free escape to getting away from ganks and he has sustain,big deal,vlad and lee sin sustain better all day and do double the damage he can do in a burst. I have seen literally nothing aside from Rengars getting shat on all day and I highly doubt it's because he is such high skill cap. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 22 2012 17:52 TheKefka wrote: I think rengar is pretty mediocre to borderline bad as he is right now. Jungle is fine but mid is quicker. Try him in the jungle QWWEWR (R>W>Q>E). His level 2 ganks are silly good, like better than LeeSin's silly good. He gets the same instateleport, and he gets a better slow (by 20%) for a longer period of time as well as the 1 second of root. His Q gives him the attacks speed bonus (admittedly slightly lower 30% compared to 40%) but you actually get more attacks in because with blue buff you get 2 aa resets (like 4 second CD with 9/21/0 masteries and blue). He also clears better. He also has similar sustain as Lee Sin and gets twice the free Armor/Mres. That being said his teamfight is kind of awkward, because as a bruiser he can't really peel for people unless he has Omen. I mean his E a good CC, but much smarter to use Ferocity W for the heals imo. He also kind of lacks escapes... but he really good at chasing/diving. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Crs Saintvicious @CrsStvicious Renger is not worth playing GG I'm not a sv fanboy but I guess he knows what he's talking about sometimes. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 22 2012 18:12 TheKefka wrote: Idk I admit I did not play him in the jungle or seen more than one there but than again I'm not a sv fanboy but I guess he knows what hes talking about sometimes lol. He also said Shyvana was just a shitty Mundo (then went and carried hard for CLG the next week with Shy in Vegas), that Nocturne was a just garbage champion that shouldn't be played, still thinks Amumu is awful, that Nautilus is no good/just good at abusing piss poor play, and that Skarner is one of the worst junglers in the game because he clears slow, has mana issues, and has no utility or damage in teamfights. I'm a huuuge SV fanboy, but the dude isn't necessarily the #1 authority on how good/viable champions are. | ||
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TheKefka
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