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[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 85
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
A champion with a built in snowball item. how fun. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 08 2012 17:15 Ryuu314 wrote: A viktor 2.0 with a built in snowball item. how fun. We all know how bad leviathan/mejais/soto are in competitive play... | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
I would think it's probably concept, because at lower levels(where dozens of kills occur before 10 min), this champion could be hilariously overpowered. At the same time at higher elo's, the kills can still be in the single digits by 20 minutes and this champion would look like shit. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6215 Posts
On August 08 2012 16:59 arb wrote: I run AD, i've seen some guides by Chaox i think it was mixing armorpen/ad though. dont think it really matters much either way(armpen better for champions ad better for last hitting blah blah) IIRC, chaox runs a minimum of +10 AD on all champions except urgot. How much over that I believe depends on if he wants to run any MS quints. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 08 2012 17:15 Ryuu314 wrote: A champion with a built in snowball item. how fun. Veigar. No items required. | ||
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act.hero
United States205 Posts
Nasus too XD Farm champs don't really work in push meta tho | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 08 2012 18:02 act.hero wrote: Nasus too XD Farm champs don't really work in push meta tho Nonsense. You just farm champions instead of minions  | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
read the whole thing, also leave the music on. it's worth your time. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
Also, saying protect the Kog doesn't work any more because of Soraka ULT nerf and because Lulu got toned down a tad is just hilarious. Protect the Kog existed back when people were building shit like Manamune and MBR on him, and it will keep existing. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
But I'm pretty sure pushing towers and trying to play off that early game advantage isn't anything especially groundbreaking. you know what apparently is groundbreaking for LoL teams time and time again? The fact that the team with a PLAN is the one that dominates. M5 had their jungle invade half-plan which worked out really well. Now blaze shows up with this fully fleshed out gameplan and boom they crush everyone. Maybe it's just the way this whole event got covered-- I'll be the first to admit I don't pay real close attention to tournaments most of the time. But it seems like the most we ever get out of US/EU teams is 'oh CLG's going for a poke comp' and then they pick heroes that can poke and they play the game and poke at the other guys when appropriate and nothing's really all that different. Or maybe one team picks a nonstandard champ top, or they do some kind of protect-the-kog (which is the best), or whatever, but it's always just a game *theme* instead of an actual, concrete *plan* that they've obviously practiced. in short I wish western pro LoL teams would get their shit together already, I don't want another esport 100% dominated by koreans  | ||
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
Also, saying protect the Kog doesn't work any more because of Soraka ULT nerf and because Lulu got toned down a tad is just hilarious. Protect the Kog existed back when people were building shit like Manamune and MBR on him, and it will keep existing. That has to be an insanly long time ago after the "recent" kogmaw buffs (like 1 year ago) everyone in europe build IE/PD which ended up being the by far superior item build. I have to agree though that "protect the kogmaw" still works esp cause you didnt play soraka that often with him (dont know much about lulu tbh) one weakness supports midlane are quite nerfed and not that easy playable anymore (all got nerfed quite hard) | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On August 08 2012 19:44 Xevious wrote: http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2653&l=854135 read the whole thing, also leave the music on. it's worth your time. haha wtf is this, this is pure gold man, was this written by a korean? reading this with the music made my week. gj | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 08 2012 20:04 Eiii wrote: man all this meta and new playstyle hype really kind of bugs me. a friend of mine who follows the scene pretty closely was kind of ranting today about how amazing the blaze players were, how they managed to pull off an amazing strategy, etc etc But I'm pretty sure pushing towers and trying to play off that early game advantage isn't anything especially groundbreaking. you know what apparently is groundbreaking for LoL teams time and time again? The fact that the team with a PLAN is the one that dominates. M5 had their jungle invade half-plan which worked out really well. Now blaze shows up with this fully fleshed out gameplan and boom they crush everyone. Maybe it's just the way this whole event got covered-- I'll be the first to admit I don't pay real close attention to tournaments most of the time. But it seems like the most we ever get out of US/EU teams is 'oh CLG's going for a poke comp' and then they pick heroes that can poke and they play the game and poke at the other guys when appropriate and nothing's really all that different. Or maybe one team picks a nonstandard champ top, or they do some kind of protect-the-kog (which is the best), or whatever, but it's always just a game *theme* instead of an actual, concrete *plan* that they've obviously practiced. in short I wish western pro LoL teams would get their shit together already, I don't want another esport 100% dominated by koreans Well tbh, I'm super excited/interested in the whole metagame shift in LoL because it's mirroring the metagame development in DotA so damn closely. First we had the mass aoe teamfight with amumu/morg/galio and those guys dominating. Then we had the 3 carry setup, which is still somewhat prevalent but top has shifted from being a third carry to generally playing more a support/tanky role (unless you're running double AP and you still see hyper carry tops like Jax/Riven but not as much). After that gank comps was pretty common with TF/Nocturne or M5's variation with super mobile, tanky champs exerting extreme map control. Then resurgence of Shen brings splitpush comps. And throughout all this you had 4 protect 1 ricing comps with Dig's famous Lulu/Soraka shit then CLG.eu's turtle Anivia strat. And now we have the Korean's new meta which focuses on taking down towers fast to establish map control, which is pretty much where DotA metagame is right now. Ofc, there's a lot of variations and different strats are played regardless of which strat is the "most new," but I find it interesting how closely LoL metagame mirrors that of DotA. Probably not very surprising though given how the games do share similarities in the fundamental aspects of the game. I just tried tanky Diana and I must say I'm almost convinced it's superior to AP Diana. You still do decent amounts of damage with minimal AP. With tanky items and cdr you're super disruptive with E and can chase squishies out of fights pretty easily. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21961 Posts
On August 08 2012 19:44 Xevious wrote: http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2653&l=854135 read the whole thing, also leave the music on. it's worth your time. Funny enough aside from the sharing becca and HS's sobbing i could actualy see it happen like that :p | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On August 08 2012 19:53 Shiv. wrote: I like how every new strategy instantly becomes THE NEW META. After Kiev, we had everyone and their mums crying about snowball meta, now Azubu pulled out something unexpected and there we go, THE PUSHING META HAS ARRIVED. Also, saying protect the Kog doesn't work any more because of Soraka ULT nerf and because Lulu got toned down a tad is just hilarious. Protect the Kog existed back when people were building shit like Manamune and MBR on him, and it will keep existing. Honestly, so long as teams like CLG.EU exist, I don't know if aggressive/push comps will exist. They're willing to play for lategame and just stall out forever, forcing you to make a mistake. | ||
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Reggiegigas
234 Posts
On August 08 2012 17:28 Tooplark wrote: YES I love Diana. Finally, a chance to actually bust out the GUINSOO'S RAGEBLADE. That's all you need for damage. Rest is cdr/tank goodies. Rageblade seems like an odd choice, she's more of a nuker than an autoattacker from what I've seen. Boots+3 -> dring- > kages -> sorcs -> DFG -> Lich Bane, Zhonyas, Abyssals is what I've heard is a good build for jungle Love that she's actually a AP jungler that builds AP and not tanky | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On August 08 2012 20:06 Ente wrote: That has to be an insanly long time ago after the "recent" kogmaw buffs (like 1 year ago) everyone in europe build IE/PD which ended up being the by far superior item build. I have to agree though that "protect the kogmaw" still works esp cause you didnt play soraka that often with him (dont know much about lulu tbh) one weakness supports midlane are quite nerfed and not that easy playable anymore (all got nerfed quite hard) I remember Chaox at IEM Cologne building Manamune and MBR, not sure if it was in conjunction. Wasn't even my point, you're obviously right - it's a horrible build nowadays, and it has been for a while. I was just trying to put across that protect the Kog has been around for a loooooooong, long time. And about the meta talk, I'm not even saying I like or dislike the way this game is currently played, I just think it's odd that every little trend is treated as if everyone would instantly pick this sort of play up. It's not meta game if it's not done by the vast majority of the professional scene, or am I missing something? | ||
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