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Thats theyango. And he needed that advice as badly as you must have a while ago too huehue.
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The whole Xin remake was to put him in a spot where he is not considered OP in lower ELO and not considered trash in higher ELO yeah? The only difference I see is a bit of utility on his ult, and 15% armor pen. Otherwise, they simply gave him buffs. What exactly has changed so much that made it so he wont stomp lower games even HARDER now?
Right now he looks like a really solid pick for jungle. His damage is high. His itemization flows very well. He fits the metagame of tanky/bruiser jungle. I love Xin Zhao.
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For Xin's passive, does it instantly switch to a new opponent the moment you change targets, or do you have to wait for the 3 seconds on the old one before it kicks in on the new one?
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doh. forgot to look up gman bob's eu accnt lololol
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On July 20 2012 12:57 Ryuu314 wrote:
doh. forgot to look up gman bob's eu accnt lololol
He's 2200 elo but somehow watching his stream compared to other top players' streams just feels so different. Decision making and such is great but man his csing is honestly no better than what 1600s people do (especially dat warwick, miss dem cs all day ery day)
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On July 20 2012 10:38 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 10:06 ReachTheSky wrote:
So happy they added .1 back to Ori's Q. She is in a really great place right now. I play orianna and honestly, I think she's overpowered right now. The global cooldown and QoL changes already made her really good and then the ratio buff to W put her a little over the top. Her damage right now is (I feel) too high. Making her ball more fluid should've been all the buffs she needed but the buffs put her over the top I feel.
I wouldn't say she is OP. I think she is now a contender as a mid/top tier ap mid however. She is pretty much on par with Ahri, Morgana, Cassiopeia, Kassadin, Ryze etc. She can still be manhandled depending on the enemy jungler/mid though. She probably won't be getting banned all that frequently compared to other ap mids. I do think her buffs were quite needed though. The global cooldown is probably the best buff she has gotten. It should have been like this from the start since all her combos come off her Q or E.
But yeah to say she is OP or over the top is probably an exaggeration. Most people don't really know how to play against her in lane. Once people get more practice vs her and learn how to dodge the ball/avoid zoning (which isn't very hard btw since they are skill shots), people shouldn't have many issues vsing her at all.
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On July 20 2012 12:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
For Xin's passive, does it instantly switch to a new opponent the moment you change targets, or do you have to wait for the 3 seconds on the old one before it kicks in on the new one?
instantly i think i noticed when iw as playing him earlier
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On July 20 2012 12:37 sung_moon wrote:
Just wanted to say whoever in the past Jayce thread who suggested when trying to land Ali's W->Q combo to not que it up and wait until I'm in range then pull it out makes it soooooooooooooooo much easier. When I try que'ing it I'm just guessing at that point. Thank you whoever you are; getting it down 4/5 times now.
how can you queue spells in lol?
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On July 20 2012 13:32 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 12:37 sung_moon wrote:
Just wanted to say whoever in the past Jayce thread who suggested when trying to land Ali's W->Q combo to not que it up and wait until I'm in range then pull it out makes it soooooooooooooooo much easier. When I try que'ing it I'm just guessing at that point. Thank you whoever you are; getting it down 4/5 times now. how can you queue spells in lol?
If you use a spell on someone out of range (IE, press the button and click on a target, or press button while hovering over target if you smartcastting) you will run at them until you in range, then when you are in range you will cast the spell.
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On July 20 2012 13:42 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 13:32 Chexx wrote:On July 20 2012 12:37 sung_moon wrote:
Just wanted to say whoever in the past Jayce thread who suggested when trying to land Ali's W->Q combo to not que it up and wait until I'm in range then pull it out makes it soooooooooooooooo much easier. When I try que'ing it I'm just guessing at that point. Thank you whoever you are; getting it down 4/5 times now. how can you queue spells in lol? If you use a spell on someone out of range (IE, press the button and click on a target, or press button while hovering over target if you smartcastting) you will run at them until you in range, then when you are in range you will cast the spell.
Thanks did not know that.
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Man, the Xin remake brings back memories... mostly bad ones where the jungle Xin on your team runs straight into bad situations and never contemplates turning around. <_<
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So I am convinced the Eve remake has made her viable. Q spam with triforce, that E attack speed buff and W for oracle carrying make her jungle quick. Her ganks are like Shyvana's tho, run at them real fast and you need exhaust (imo.) Her ult is godly in team fights holy fucking shit. I am thinking stacking resists and minimal health. Like Tri and maybe Randuins for health. Been running Exhaust/Smite starting boots 3 wolves-blue-wraiths-wolves-red-wraiths path. I was surprised her W cost no mana. Such a large MS buff for free. But yeah she is fast, does great damage especially with sheen.
I've been going boots 3 -> wriggles -> sheen -> situational tank item -> Triforce.
The all Orange build works well also. (Mobility boots, triforce, hexdrinker, rageblade, shurelyas,wriggles. Did it in a normal for the lulz and won)
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On July 20 2012 14:02 Bladeorade wrote:
So I am convinced the Eve remake has made her viable. Q spam with triforce, that E attack speed buff and W for oracle carrying make her jungle quick. Her ganks are like Shyvana's tho, run at them real fast and you need exhaust (imo.) Her ult is godly in team fights holy fucking shit. I am thinking stacking resists and minimal health. Like Tri and maybe Randuins for health. Been running Exhaust/Smite starting boots 3 wolves-blue-wraiths-wolves-red-wraiths path. I was surprised her W cost no mana. Such a large MS buff for free. But yeah she is fast, does great damage especially with sheen.
I've been going boots 3 -> wriggles -> sheen -> situational tank item -> Triforce.
The all Orange build works well also. (Mobility boots, triforce, hexdrinker, rageblade, shurelyas,wriggles. Did it in a normal for the lulz and won)
Her jungle is okay at most, she's beyond vulnerable in jungle, and it's silly how her reset doesn't give her any increased killling power, increased movespeed as a reset sucks, it would be more awesome if her E was the one on reset, instead of her W.
She has no real counter jungle ability, due to how the invis work, she can get caught pretty hard.
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On July 20 2012 14:25 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 14:02 Bladeorade wrote:
So I am convinced the Eve remake has made her viable. Q spam with triforce, that E attack speed buff and W for oracle carrying make her jungle quick. Her ganks are like Shyvana's tho, run at them real fast and you need exhaust (imo.) Her ult is godly in team fights holy fucking shit. I am thinking stacking resists and minimal health. Like Tri and maybe Randuins for health. Been running Exhaust/Smite starting boots 3 wolves-blue-wraiths-wolves-red-wraiths path. I was surprised her W cost no mana. Such a large MS buff for free. But yeah she is fast, does great damage especially with sheen.
I've been going boots 3 -> wriggles -> sheen -> situational tank item -> Triforce.
The all Orange build works well also. (Mobility boots, triforce, hexdrinker, rageblade, shurelyas,wriggles. Did it in a normal for the lulz and won) Her jungle is okay at most, she's beyond vulnerable in jungle, and it's silly how her reset doesn't give her any increased killling power, increased movespeed as a reset sucks, it would be more awesome if her E was the one on reset, instead of her W. She has no real counter jungle ability, due to how the invis work, she can get caught pretty hard.
In what way is she vulnerable? She deals damage incredibly fast and if she has to can get the fuck out. I find W reset to be very nice as it allows you to keep pace to keep spamming Q and auto while stuttering. Playing Eve actually reminded me of playing SC2 with all the stuttering and spamming while repositioning. She seems like the fastest champ in game tbh. I was able to duel an olaf to an even trade which makes me think favorably of her as well.
Her counter jungle ability is also fine, run in kill camp run out. Thats like saying shyvana and mundo have no counter jungle ability. Her W removes slows so even if someone catches you it doesnt mean you are screwed. Also her ult is great in skirmishes and team fights. %health is freaking ridic as is 300 shield per champion hit. I find it very easy to hit 3 champions minimum and the shield lasts forever. Its like a Shen ult, onto yourself, that does 20% max damage health, in an AoE, and it slows... I mean that sounds absolutely ridiculous just reading it. Just as ridiculous in practice I am finding.
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On July 20 2012 14:32 Bladeorade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 14:25 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2012 14:02 Bladeorade wrote:
So I am convinced the Eve remake has made her viable. Q spam with triforce, that E attack speed buff and W for oracle carrying make her jungle quick. Her ganks are like Shyvana's tho, run at them real fast and you need exhaust (imo.) Her ult is godly in team fights holy fucking shit. I am thinking stacking resists and minimal health. Like Tri and maybe Randuins for health. Been running Exhaust/Smite starting boots 3 wolves-blue-wraiths-wolves-red-wraiths path. I was surprised her W cost no mana. Such a large MS buff for free. But yeah she is fast, does great damage especially with sheen.
I've been going boots 3 -> wriggles -> sheen -> situational tank item -> Triforce.
The all Orange build works well also. (Mobility boots, triforce, hexdrinker, rageblade, shurelyas,wriggles. Did it in a normal for the lulz and won) Her jungle is okay at most, she's beyond vulnerable in jungle, and it's silly how her reset doesn't give her any increased killling power, increased movespeed as a reset sucks, it would be more awesome if her E was the one on reset, instead of her W. She has no real counter jungle ability, due to how the invis work, she can get caught pretty hard. In what way is she vulnerable? She deals damage incredibly fast and if she has to can get the fuck out. I find W reset to be very nice as it allows you to keep pace to keep spamming Q and auto while stuttering. Playing Eve actually reminded me of playing SC2 with all the stuttering and spamming while repositioning. She seems like the fastest champ in game tbh. I was able to duel an olaf to an even trade which makes me think favorably of her as well. Her counter jungle ability is also fine, run in kill camp run out. Thats like saying shyvana and mundo have no counter jungle ability. Her W removes slows so even if someone catches you it doesnt mean you are screwed. Also her ult is great in skirmishes and team fights. %health is freaking ridic as is 300 shield per champion hit. I find it very easy to hit 3 champions minimum and the shield lasts forever. Its like a Shen ult, onto yourself, that does 20% max damage health, in an AoE, and it slows... I mean that sounds absolutely ridiculous just reading it. Just as ridiculous in practice I am finding.
The problem with her counter jungling, with shyvana and mundo, is that they're excellent duelist, and escapist as well. Shyvanna has a very long MS steroid, not to mention she's fucking super durable, and already has amazing base MS. Mundo has a constant slow, along with disable reduction, and he's also a very good 1v1'r, and ridiculously tanky.
though Eve, does have her "w" as an escape, a long ass cool down, might I say. And 8 sec cooldown on going back invis after last damage taken, good lucky trying to get away going invis. She also can't 1v1 that well.
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On July 20 2012 14:38 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 14:32 Bladeorade wrote:On July 20 2012 14:25 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2012 14:02 Bladeorade wrote:
So I am convinced the Eve remake has made her viable. Q spam with triforce, that E attack speed buff and W for oracle carrying make her jungle quick. Her ganks are like Shyvana's tho, run at them real fast and you need exhaust (imo.) Her ult is godly in team fights holy fucking shit. I am thinking stacking resists and minimal health. Like Tri and maybe Randuins for health. Been running Exhaust/Smite starting boots 3 wolves-blue-wraiths-wolves-red-wraiths path. I was surprised her W cost no mana. Such a large MS buff for free. But yeah she is fast, does great damage especially with sheen.
I've been going boots 3 -> wriggles -> sheen -> situational tank item -> Triforce.
The all Orange build works well also. (Mobility boots, triforce, hexdrinker, rageblade, shurelyas,wriggles. Did it in a normal for the lulz and won) Her jungle is okay at most, she's beyond vulnerable in jungle, and it's silly how her reset doesn't give her any increased killling power, increased movespeed as a reset sucks, it would be more awesome if her E was the one on reset, instead of her W. She has no real counter jungle ability, due to how the invis work, she can get caught pretty hard. In what way is she vulnerable? She deals damage incredibly fast and if she has to can get the fuck out. I find W reset to be very nice as it allows you to keep pace to keep spamming Q and auto while stuttering. Playing Eve actually reminded me of playing SC2 with all the stuttering and spamming while repositioning. She seems like the fastest champ in game tbh. I was able to duel an olaf to an even trade which makes me think favorably of her as well. Her counter jungle ability is also fine, run in kill camp run out. Thats like saying shyvana and mundo have no counter jungle ability. Her W removes slows so even if someone catches you it doesnt mean you are screwed. Also her ult is great in skirmishes and team fights. %health is freaking ridic as is 300 shield per champion hit. I find it very easy to hit 3 champions minimum and the shield lasts forever. Its like a Shen ult, onto yourself, that does 20% max damage health, in an AoE, and it slows... I mean that sounds absolutely ridiculous just reading it. Just as ridiculous in practice I am finding. The problem with her counter jungling, with shyvana and mundo, is that they're excellent duelist, and escapist as well. Shyvanna has a very long MS steroid, not to mention she's fucking super durable, and already has amazing base MS. Mundo has a constant slow, along with disable reduction, and he's also a very good 1v1'r, and ridiculously tanky. though Eve, does have her "w" as an escape, a long ass cool down, might I say. And 8 sec cooldown on going back invis after last damage taken, good lucky trying to get away going invis. She also can't 1v1 that well.
How much of her have you played I am wondering. There is no situation you should be counter jungling without W up which gives you so much MS no one should be able to catch you.
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On July 20 2012 14:41 Bladeorade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 14:38 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2012 14:32 Bladeorade wrote:On July 20 2012 14:25 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2012 14:02 Bladeorade wrote:
So I am convinced the Eve remake has made her viable. Q spam with triforce, that E attack speed buff and W for oracle carrying make her jungle quick. Her ganks are like Shyvana's tho, run at them real fast and you need exhaust (imo.) Her ult is godly in team fights holy fucking shit. I am thinking stacking resists and minimal health. Like Tri and maybe Randuins for health. Been running Exhaust/Smite starting boots 3 wolves-blue-wraiths-wolves-red-wraiths path. I was surprised her W cost no mana. Such a large MS buff for free. But yeah she is fast, does great damage especially with sheen.
I've been going boots 3 -> wriggles -> sheen -> situational tank item -> Triforce.
The all Orange build works well also. (Mobility boots, triforce, hexdrinker, rageblade, shurelyas,wriggles. Did it in a normal for the lulz and won) Her jungle is okay at most, she's beyond vulnerable in jungle, and it's silly how her reset doesn't give her any increased killling power, increased movespeed as a reset sucks, it would be more awesome if her E was the one on reset, instead of her W. She has no real counter jungle ability, due to how the invis work, she can get caught pretty hard. In what way is she vulnerable? She deals damage incredibly fast and if she has to can get the fuck out. I find W reset to be very nice as it allows you to keep pace to keep spamming Q and auto while stuttering. Playing Eve actually reminded me of playing SC2 with all the stuttering and spamming while repositioning. She seems like the fastest champ in game tbh. I was able to duel an olaf to an even trade which makes me think favorably of her as well. Her counter jungle ability is also fine, run in kill camp run out. Thats like saying shyvana and mundo have no counter jungle ability. Her W removes slows so even if someone catches you it doesnt mean you are screwed. Also her ult is great in skirmishes and team fights. %health is freaking ridic as is 300 shield per champion hit. I find it very easy to hit 3 champions minimum and the shield lasts forever. Its like a Shen ult, onto yourself, that does 20% max damage health, in an AoE, and it slows... I mean that sounds absolutely ridiculous just reading it. Just as ridiculous in practice I am finding. The problem with her counter jungling, with shyvana and mundo, is that they're excellent duelist, and escapist as well. Shyvanna has a very long MS steroid, not to mention she's fucking super durable, and already has amazing base MS. Mundo has a constant slow, along with disable reduction, and he's also a very good 1v1'r, and ridiculously tanky. though Eve, does have her "w" as an escape, a long ass cool down, might I say. And 8 sec cooldown on going back invis after last damage taken, good lucky trying to get away going invis. She also can't 1v1 that well. How much of her have you played I am wondering. There is no situation you should be counter jungling without W up which gives you so much MS no one should be able to catch you.
30% ms (only 1 point in w), is nice, but there are stronger slows from other champions totally wrecks you, also lack of durability is a major issue as well.
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as far as ganking as eve is concerned, rush Cutlass then get triforce. Seriously, Cutlass is OP in ganks.
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On July 20 2012 14:58 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 14:41 Bladeorade wrote:On July 20 2012 14:38 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2012 14:32 Bladeorade wrote:On July 20 2012 14:25 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2012 14:02 Bladeorade wrote:
So I am convinced the Eve remake has made her viable. Q spam with triforce, that E attack speed buff and W for oracle carrying make her jungle quick. Her ganks are like Shyvana's tho, run at them real fast and you need exhaust (imo.) Her ult is godly in team fights holy fucking shit. I am thinking stacking resists and minimal health. Like Tri and maybe Randuins for health. Been running Exhaust/Smite starting boots 3 wolves-blue-wraiths-wolves-red-wraiths path. I was surprised her W cost no mana. Such a large MS buff for free. But yeah she is fast, does great damage especially with sheen.
I've been going boots 3 -> wriggles -> sheen -> situational tank item -> Triforce.
The all Orange build works well also. (Mobility boots, triforce, hexdrinker, rageblade, shurelyas,wriggles. Did it in a normal for the lulz and won) Her jungle is okay at most, she's beyond vulnerable in jungle, and it's silly how her reset doesn't give her any increased killling power, increased movespeed as a reset sucks, it would be more awesome if her E was the one on reset, instead of her W. She has no real counter jungle ability, due to how the invis work, she can get caught pretty hard. In what way is she vulnerable? She deals damage incredibly fast and if she has to can get the fuck out. I find W reset to be very nice as it allows you to keep pace to keep spamming Q and auto while stuttering. Playing Eve actually reminded me of playing SC2 with all the stuttering and spamming while repositioning. She seems like the fastest champ in game tbh. I was able to duel an olaf to an even trade which makes me think favorably of her as well. Her counter jungle ability is also fine, run in kill camp run out. Thats like saying shyvana and mundo have no counter jungle ability. Her W removes slows so even if someone catches you it doesnt mean you are screwed. Also her ult is great in skirmishes and team fights. %health is freaking ridic as is 300 shield per champion hit. I find it very easy to hit 3 champions minimum and the shield lasts forever. Its like a Shen ult, onto yourself, that does 20% max damage health, in an AoE, and it slows... I mean that sounds absolutely ridiculous just reading it. Just as ridiculous in practice I am finding. The problem with her counter jungling, with shyvana and mundo, is that they're excellent duelist, and escapist as well. Shyvanna has a very long MS steroid, not to mention she's fucking super durable, and already has amazing base MS. Mundo has a constant slow, along with disable reduction, and he's also a very good 1v1'r, and ridiculously tanky. though Eve, does have her "w" as an escape, a long ass cool down, might I say. And 8 sec cooldown on going back invis after last damage taken, good lucky trying to get away going invis. She also can't 1v1 that well. How much of her have you played I am wondering. There is no situation you should be counter jungling without W up which gives you so much MS no one should be able to catch you. 30% ms (only 1 point in w), is nice, but there are stronger slows from other champions totally wrecks you, also lack of durability is a major issue as well.
You are aware her W also removes slows yes?
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On July 20 2012 15:16 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
as far as ganking as eve is concerned, rush Cutlass then get triforce. Seriously, Cutlass is OP in ganks.
I was actually thinking about this myself. This would require Gunblade before Triforce but I'm not so sure that' a bad thing.
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