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United States3803 Posts
I generally don't do it unless it's completely warranted From your description, this certainly doesn't seem warranted. The only possible explanation I could see for raging at someone in a practice game is if you were genuinely trying to help them and they were not listening (ex: I think you need armor penetration" "No man, I'm getting a fourth zeal" or something like that.) In this case it sounds like they made a mistake and you just got angry without any attempt to help. :/ | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 26 2012 23:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote: the obvious conclusion is to vilify 5hit for raging. i dont like ragers myself but i can think of some possible scenarios where his rage is borderline 'justified' -you made a snide remark / brushed aside his correction of your mistake -you denied the mistake will never know what actually happened but it's probably no big deal. kinda like a car accident when both parties made 'mistakes'. just never play with each other again, that's about it I don't see how raging and verbal abuse can ever be justified. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
There are people who we're going to play with in these inhouses who can't keep their egos/rage in check. Eventually those people will have to bow out as well either of their own accord or because others won't want to play with them. These kinds of games aren't necessarily for everyone and it's only to fair to give everyone a chance to see if they can handle it or not. If they can't, well now we and they both know better. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 27 2012 00:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Listen, I honestly think the discussion should end here. 5HIT has already admitted to the fact the LP is probably not right for him because of his attitude, so he's bowing out. (Having personally played with him before, fucked up a lot, and not had him rage at me I had thought he had changed for the better but maybe not completely so? I don't know.) There are people who we're going to play with in these inhouses who can't keep their egos/rage in check. Eventually those people will have to bow out as well either of their own accord or because others won't want to play with them. These kinds of games aren't necessarily for everyone and it's only to fair to give everyone a chance to see if they can handle it or not. If they can't, well now we and they both know better. It's unfortunate. I just put him on ignore and that was all I planned to do. I didn't find out who he was on TL until he made that comment on this thread after the game. | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 27 2012 00:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Listen, I honestly think the discussion should end here. 5HIT has already admitted to the fact the LP is probably not right for him because of his attitude, so he's bowing out. (Having personally played with him before, fucked up a lot, and not had him rage at me I had thought he had changed for the better but maybe not completely so? I don't know.) There are people who we're going to play with in these inhouses who can't keep their egos/rage in check. Eventually those people will have to bow out as well either of their own accord or because others won't want to play with them. These kinds of games aren't necessarily for everyone and it's only to fair to give everyone a chance to see if they can handle it or not. If they can't, well now we and they both know better. What he's doing by bowing out is very mature. Better to admit his faults rather than deny them, and of course he is always welcome to spectate and give advice to people if he feels like it in the future. His actions certainly aren't justifiable by any means, but at least he can own up to them and say "yeah, this isn't for me". We had a problem, but it's now resolved and life goes on. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
Then on the other hand, there have been games that I thought everyone was messing around in (I think it was like Ziggs vs Orianna AD or something? Lmao) and someone starts getting annoyed because they are trying hard and everyone else is messing around. Maybe the host of the game should clarify if it's going to be a learning game or joking around. It hasn't bothered me too much, but I can see how if someone with limited play time wanted to join a practice game to improve (or vice versa -- having fun and dicking around) and ends up getting stuck in a game with people messing around not taking it seriously, it'd be annoying. Obviously we're all here to just have fun and learn, but in order to avoid people raging or getting upset maybe we should state what type of game it will be (srs or troll game). | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
Matters can be made worse still by what Mondeezy talks about. Everygame doesn't have to be tryhard, but people clearly dicking around are essentially wasting everybody else's time in the game. The goal is practice/fun, but unless everybody is on the same page for a completely non-serious game; there will be those unhappy who are having their time wasted in a losing effort with nothing to learn. | ||
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samthesaluki
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Play seriously when you're in game. Just because people left some strong champs in the pool doesn't mean go all out troll. It's perfectly possible to build reasonable team compositions out of a fairly average selection of champions. Honestly, the biggest problem is that Draft Mode gets people in a certain mindset when playing this game that's probably not in line with what we want. If there was a DotA style All Pick option where there's no bans/pick order, but still unique picking, I'd say that would be more appropriate for the level of games we're going for. | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 27 2012 03:45 TheYango wrote: The issue goes back to what I brought up with Neo several pages ago. Try hard and play seriously, but do it in game. These games are still essentially pubs though, so that doesn't mean that we want/should see Malph/TF/Shen/etc. every game just because they're in the pool. It's Liquid Practice--practice what's useful to you. Spamming games on a champ you won't reliably see get through bans in solo queue isn't good practice for you or your opponents. Play seriously when you're in game. Just because people left some strong champs in the pool doesn't mean go all out troll. It's perfectly possible to build reasonable team compositions out of a fairly average selection of champions. Honestly, the biggest problem is that Draft Mode gets people in a certain mindset when playing this game that's probably not in line with what we want. If there was a DotA style All Pick option where there's no bans/pick order, but still unique picking, I'd say that would be more appropriate for the level of games we're going for. Yeah one thing that bothers me is when people pick only one champion, and then you look and they've played like 200 games with that champion.. really? Play something new to get better at it! I play Orianna and AD's because I never play those champs normally. Sure I could just play nid or morde who i've played hundreds of games on, but that isn't helping me get better. | ||
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pikaaarrr :3
United States593 Posts
ELO: ~1250 Preferred Role(s): any Schedule: after August 4th, should be free a lot of the time. right now, barely ever. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Zabad
United States23 Posts
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Summoner Name: Promethean Trowa ELO: 1380 Preferred Role: AP top/AD top, AD ranged, Support, Jungle on a few champions, same with mid. Looking to improve, and would really like a higher level player to tell me why I'm bad. On starcraft2 I find it much easier to identify my mistakes and learn from other, better players - not so much on LoL  .Also - dat Malph sleeper OP. Hadn't seem him for about a year unless I was playing him, now hes like banned every game. FUUUU! I was hoping people would continue to underestimate him | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On July 27 2012 03:51 Perplex wrote: Yeah one thing that bothers me is when people pick only one champion, and then you look and they've played like 200 games with that champion.. really? Play something new to get better at it! I play Orianna and AD's because I never play those champs normally. Sure I could just play nid or morde who i've played hundreds of games on, but that isn't helping me get better. While I agree that you shouldn't spam your best champion over and over and over, I think you should still be allowed to "practice" your best champions. Renek is one of my best champs, and normally I can stomp anyone around my ELO with him, but I'd love to practice him vs lets say a 1700 rated player to get more trading experience. Idk, if players were willing to decide what roles they're playing during the team lobby phase, it'd definitely make for better lane matchups and an overall better practice experience. I just don't know how many players would be willing to take the extra couple mins to do that. Bottom line however is that the games should be taken seriously unless everyone in the party is aware it's just a messing around game, otherwise someone's time is going to be wasted, and that sucks. | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
In the end, I feel like it is a question of what you are trying to learn. Inhouses should be kept to people mostly playing what they are used to to in order to learn more about teamfight and how they function in a full on game. People looking to practice individual champs or roles that they don't usually do should be looking for 1v1s to get the repetitive mechanics practicing out of the way. Handicaps can be imposed to make the game resemble more of a real game. If there are 6 people around, then you can just do some 10~12min's worth of game with 2 solo lanes and a jungle on both side. You can even impose certain handicaps and conditions that need to be met if you want more realism. | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On July 27 2012 04:02 Trowa127 wrote: Sorry to ask what is probably a really obvious question - do we have an EU West practice group? If so... Summoner Name: Promethean Trowa ELO: 1380 Preferred Role: AP top/AD top, AD ranged, Support, Jungle on a few champions, same with mid. Looking to improve, and would really like a higher level player to tell me why I'm bad. On starcraft2 I find it much easier to identify my mistakes and learn from other, better players - not so much on LoL .Also - dat Malph sleeper OP. Hadn't seem him for about a year unless I was playing him, now hes like banned every game. FUUUU! I was hoping people would continue to underestimate him http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355156 Some did try to set one up for EUW but I'm not sure how successful it's been so far. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On July 27 2012 04:15 JBright wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355156 Some did try to set one up for EUW but I'm not sure how successful it's been so far. Not very | ||
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