As long as it's tense I don't mind. Great Wukong jukes, Lee Sin running till his wriggles comes off cd to wall hop, flash pulv from Alistar to save his carry, clutch flash heal from Soraka, stuff like that preventing a kill I don't mind. Snoozefest on the other hand...

Well since it's a new page:

Poll: In terms of kill scores, do you prefer games with:

I don't care (19)

50%

40-40 (10)

26%

5-5 (9)

24%

38 total votes

Your vote: In terms of kill scores, do you prefer games with:

(Vote): 5-5
(Vote): 40-40
(Vote): I don't care

Shiv.

3534 Posts

June 13 2012 09:53 GMT

#1182

nevermind, Alaric beat me to it.

I think the issue with high kill games is that more often than not, they tend to be really really snowbally. I don't enjoy watching other teams completely dismember others (unless it's TSM, huehuehue) without them having a real chance of coming back. What's the point in watching a game post 15 minutes if one team has a 10k gold lead already. I'm obviously exaggerating, but I hope I get my point across.

My vote was 'I don't care', because it's not so much about the kills but clutch/cool plays I want to see. It's okay if the score is 4-6 23 minutes in if Nidalee managed to escape thrice with 30hp.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

June 13 2012 09:57 GMT

#1183

I saw you edit that "somebody" into "Alaric", my heart is still broken.

Shiv.

3534 Posts

June 13 2012 10:01 GMT

#1184

On June 13 2012 18:57 Alaric wrote:
I saw you edit that "somebody" into "Alaric", my heart is still broken.

I just saw the poll and immediately hit edit. For what it's worth, as soon as I recognized your signature (WHICH YOU SHOULD CHANGE, LoL > SC2), I edited it again.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

June 13 2012 10:04 GMT

#1185

That build has been obsolete for more than a year anyway, I just liked the quote (and the build, arguably, shit was fun).

RogerX

New Zealand3180 Posts

June 13 2012 10:58 GMT

#1186

Starting to play ranked games again guys, so i'll be doing my little spammy posts here again. :D

How does Ryze counter Ahri exactly? I'm not sure but it feels like Ryze barely beats ahri, is the strategy to camp till lvl 6 or is it to harass the fk out of her early, because when she lands her Q on me, its quite deadly. (I believe Ahri's Q has a longer range than Ryze Q or W) I don't play mid roles as I try to avoid it but I need some tips on when I do.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

June 13 2012 11:02 GMT

#1187

I believe it's more in teamfights where she has trouble jumping in and getting insta rooted/nuked.

Shiv.

3534 Posts

June 13 2012 11:09 GMT

#1188

On June 13 2012 19:58 RogerX wrote:
Starting to play ranked games again guys, so i'll be doing my little spammy posts here again. :D

How does Ryze counter Ahri exactly? I'm not sure but it feels like Ryze barely beats ahri, is the strategy to camp till lvl 6 or is it to harass the fk out of her early, because when she lands her Q on me, its quite deadly. (I believe Ahri's Q has a longer range than Ryze Q or W) I don't play mid roles as I try to avoid it but I need some tips on when I do.

Funnily, I can't recall the last time I played against a Ryze and DIDN'T get an early gank. The reason Ryze is considered to be decent against Ahri is that she can't pull of her ''sup I hit 6 and 100-0 you if I hit everything without really being in danger to get killed myself'' bullshit against him because of W. That being said, her Q outranges your entire kit (it has 880 range according to the wiki) and if Ahri is decent, you'll eat a Q whenever you try to harass her without really coming close enough to her. I'd say you're best off farming passively and wait for ganks.

One of the biggest strengths of a good Ahri is the ability to hit 6 before your opponent, double up her own creepwave and then all-in you with Ult+Ignite. If that happens, W her about 0.75 seconds after she used R for the first time, try to juke the E and then run for your life.

Ryze scales better than Ahri does, at least in my opinion. Farm as much as you can and it should be a reasonable matchup.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

June 13 2012 11:16 GMT

#1189

According to the wiki every ability of Ahri outranges Ryze heavily. One thing that surprised me more is a 1800 friend who was adviced to take Swain against her by a 2k friend of his. Swain's as outranged as Ryze, his W isn't instant and she'll never hit his full Q as long as she's got an ult charge remaining.

Shiv.

3534 Posts

June 13 2012 11:21 GMT

#1190

On June 13 2012 20:16 Alaric wrote:
According to the wiki every ability of Ahri outranges Ryze heavily. One thing that surprised me more is a 1800 friend who was adviced to take Swain against her by a 2k friend of his. Swain's as outranged as Ryze, his W isn't instant and she'll never hit his full Q as long as she's got an ult charge remaining.

People keep telling me Swain's a counter to Ahri, I keep eating Swains alive. If you hit 6 simultaneously, you're fucked because Ahri takes too long to kill people to really burst him down. Then again, in my opinion, Ahri is all about hitting 6 before your opponent, so that's that.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

June 13 2012 11:22 GMT

#1191

Ahri usually uses Q to farm and there Ryze has a nice opening for some QWEQ harrass, apart from that yeah it's basically the snare and also the thing that Ahri shouldn't be able to instagib ryze and ryze is stronger late

Alaric

France45622 Posts

June 13 2012 11:32 GMT

#1192

Well I don't think Swain is a counter to Ahri in any way, as he can't harass her unless she says "ok, I let you come close without unloading everything on your bald face" and she can easily outpush him, especially pre-6, so while she has map presence and can go and gank whenever she pleases, Swain can't follow her without losing a lot of cs and he can't really take her tower when she's away either.
People complain about Morgana but when playing Swain I'd have a Morg over an Ahri any day.

Shiv.

3534 Posts

June 13 2012 11:35 GMT

#1193

On June 13 2012 20:22 Shikyo wrote:
Ahri usually uses Q to farm and there Ryze has a nice opening for some QWEQ harrass, apart from that yeah it's basically the snare and also the thing that Ahri shouldn't be able to instagib ryze and ryze is stronger late

So basically your point is that if Ahri is dumb enough to walk into Ryze's range she's going to get some? Yeah. Also, I'm really interested in why she shouldn't be able to instagib Ryze.

valheru

Australia966 Posts

June 13 2012 11:41 GMT

#1194

I think the idea is that you can zone the Ahri with QWEQ and she can't go all in on you since W stops her from ulting. I've never really liked Ryze as a counter to Ahri though. As a slightly favourable matchup fine but I don't think you can say that Ryze is a counter pick to Ahri.
I've had a fair amount of sucess with Morde against Ahri actually push all day and get 6 first keep shield up and you're fine.
EDIT: Grammar typos.

Dark_Chill

Canada3353 Posts

June 13 2012 11:42 GMT

#1195

I don't get Draven. I was playing Ez vs him, and at level 1, he forced me to back with about two auto attacks, a short pause of cs, and hitting me once more while I was cs as well. I thought, "fuck, that's it. Draven op".
Then, at about level 4, I 1v1'd him and beat him. ... I'm not even sure how it worked. I know Ez's w is really good, but I had no idea how that worked out. It was actually as if his axes decreased in damage with levels. Is there any explanation to this?

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

June 13 2012 11:44 GMT

#1196

On June 13 2012 20:35 Shiv. wrote:

Show nested quote +

So basically your point is that if Ahri is dumb enough to walk into Ryze's range she's going to get some? Yeah. Also, I'm really interested in why she shouldn't be able to instagib Ryze.

Yeah and if not ryze gets to freefarm ^-^

Deleted User 101379

4849 Posts

June 13 2012 11:51 GMT

#1197

On June 13 2012 20:42 Dark_Chill wrote:
I don't get Draven. I was playing Ez vs him, and at level 1, he forced me to back with about two auto attacks, a short pause of cs, and hitting me once more while I was cs as well. I thought, "fuck, that's it. Draven op".
Then, at about level 4, I 1v1'd him and beat him. ... I'm not even sure how it worked. I know Ez's w is really good, but I had no idea how that worked out. It was actually as if his axes decreased in damage with levels. Is there any explanation to this?

His damage is very reliant on his axes actually being used as well as his W being used. His damage is good without the axes but it increases exponentially when he actually uses his Q (Spinning axes) correctly. However, either way his initial burst is not that strong, he can just sustain his "burst" for a longer period when played well by catching axes and refreshing his W constantly.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

June 13 2012 11:54 GMT

#1198

Also his passive has a good base (30) so at level 1 it can be quite significant that he hit it twice or around, while at level 4 it did matter less.

Shiv.

3534 Posts

June 13 2012 12:41 GMT

#1199

On June 13 2012 20:44 Shikyo wrote:

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Yeah and if not ryze gets to freefarm ^-^

That I can agree with. I mean, yeah, I got this idea from someone in the forum, I think it was zulu, that Ahri is supposed to hit 6 before her opponent does and then just snowball the fuck out of the lane. It works really well for me, and it also works for Ryze. I usually ask for an early gank though, because most Ryzes still tend to build tear first even if they get behind.