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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
June 13 2012 01:19 GMT
#1121
On June 13 2012 09:52 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 09:08 Zhiroo wrote:
Man it's ridiculous how a few good rocket grabs can snowball the bottom lane.

Blitz is my least favorite support to see down there. Not only is it a CC, it's a CC that completely fucks you over most of the time, even moreso than Taric stun, Janna Q, or Ali's combo. Well, maybe not Alistar's, but it's easier to pull off and safer as well. Which is why I'm going to master him MUAHAHAHA


You can be down 20 cs and be losing lane completely, but one random grab that hits = win lane
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
June 13 2012 01:20 GMT
#1122
On June 13 2012 10:19 Abenson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 09:52 Requizen wrote:
On June 13 2012 09:08 Zhiroo wrote:
Man it's ridiculous how a few good rocket grabs can snowball the bottom lane.

Blitz is my least favorite support to see down there. Not only is it a CC, it's a CC that completely fucks you over most of the time, even moreso than Taric stun, Janna Q, or Ali's combo. Well, maybe not Alistar's, but it's easier to pull off and safer as well. Which is why I'm going to master him MUAHAHAHA


You can be down 20 cs and be losing lane completely, but one random grab that hits = win lane

If one random grab costs you the lane, your lane either has the wrong support or the wrong players.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
June 13 2012 01:34 GMT
#1123
On June 13 2012 07:50 TheYango wrote:
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On June 13 2012 07:49 Slayer91 wrote:
It does however from design perspective its a question of do they want that type of stuff to happen. Maybe it would actually be good for the game. I don't know. I just didn't like the idea, from LoL casual design perspective it's "anti-fun".

I can understand that. I just don't like the argument of "kills should only happen when people make mistakes", because by stretching your definition of what a mistake is, you can really use that to support any sort of change that makes the game more forgiving.

EDIT: The other thing wrong with "kills should only happen when the person being killed makes a mistake" is that it doesn't allow room for sacrificial gameplay. Baiting a whole team's focus and sacrificing yourself to allow your team to make a turnaround ace is a hard decision to make that can be very rewarding. I don't think anyone has ever been in the situation where that happened and said "Man, my team turnaround aced them in exchange for just me dying, and got an inhib off of it, but I died! This game SUCKS!"

When I wrote that deaths should only happen due to mistakes I was really only thinking about ganks and mostly just during the laning phase. Obviously dying is often the right play (another good example is suiciding to steal Baron) and that's good. Anyway, I think LoL provides a good balance between providing players the tools to punish mistakes and giving them ways to play safe/escape mechanisms. I much prefer this over DotA where wards are limited, few heroes have escapes and there is a lot of hard CC, all of which I find leads to more "I just died and I have no idea what I could have done better to survive" moments. It fits much better to my playstyle of minimizing my deaths > maximizing my kills.

As for the flashing between CC, I guess it is possible that when a CC effect ends the game now checks if any spells (such as Flash) were cast and casts them without checking if any other CC effects are still applied. Might be a bug in the game logic, might be working as intended or might just be lag making it look buggy.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
June 13 2012 01:55 GMT
#1124
It's tremendously more likely to do with latency code than simply not checking for CC.
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 02:19:03
June 13 2012 02:15 GMT
#1125
Why does Riot allow people who don't speak english at all to play on the NA server? Just had a 3man triple Q on my team who spammed korean or chinese or something in my game for 30min straight. Never listened to pings and couldn't communicate with them at all. It's so frustrating losing because I can only talk with 1 other person on my team. Does Riot have some sort of logic behind this? It's essentionally 2v5 + a random 3rd party that decides what they want to do, don't even have majority to control what obj the team does if any.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 02:21:41
June 13 2012 02:21 GMT
#1126
Why are you so racist? The U.S. should be a land where every1 is accepted regardless of what language they use.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
June 13 2012 02:23 GMT
#1127
On June 13 2012 11:21 0123456789 wrote:
Why are you so racist? The U.S. should be a land where every1 is accepted regardless of what language they use.


I could care less what language they speak. But when it makes it impossible to communicate with them and forces us into bad positions which make us lose then I have a problem.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 02:26:34
June 13 2012 02:25 GMT
#1128
On June 13 2012 11:23 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 11:21 0123456789 wrote:
Why are you so racist? The U.S. should be a land where every1 is accepted regardless of what language they use.


I could care less what language they speak. But when it makes it impossible to communicate with them and forces us into bad positions which make us lose then I have a problem.

Who says they can't speak english? Just because they don't speak english with you doesn't mean they can't speak english. You want to ban people for using different keyboard layouts from you?
And I dont see how it's any different from bad players that don't listen to pings or calls. And riot won't/can't ban people just for being bad at the game.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 13 2012 02:26 GMT
#1129
Maybe their server is offline or they're just extremely bored lol.

Easy solution to your problem: play premade 5's.
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Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
June 13 2012 02:26 GMT
#1130
On June 13 2012 11:23 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 11:21 0123456789 wrote:
Why are you so racist? The U.S. should be a land where every1 is accepted regardless of what language they use.


I could care less what language they speak. But when it makes it impossible to communicate with them and forces us into bad positions which make us lose then I have a problem.


LOL what do you find Riot to do, IP ban every household that contains ethnic minorities?
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 02:30:43
June 13 2012 02:27 GMT
#1131
Because it is the North American server. There are 3 countries + 3 languages principally spoken in North America (excluding Greenland/Greenlandic+Danish). Not to mention there is another continent south of it that has no principal server that adds an additional language (Portuguese).

Edit: Because of this there is no reason I see to exclude any language at all.

Edit 2 : Thank you Craton I wasn't aware of the existence of said SA server. That doesn't change the point however.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 02:29:17
June 13 2012 02:28 GMT
#1132
On June 13 2012 11:25 beefhamburger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 11:23 Zooper31 wrote:
On June 13 2012 11:21 0123456789 wrote:
Why are you so racist? The U.S. should be a land where every1 is accepted regardless of what language they use.


I could care less what language they speak. But when it makes it impossible to communicate with them and forces us into bad positions which make us lose then I have a problem.

Who says they can't speak english? Just because they don't speak english with you doesn't mean they can't speak english. You want to ban people for using different keyboard layouts from you?
And I dont see how it's any different from bad players that don't listen to pings or calls. And riot won't/can't ban people just for being bad at the game.


I guess I'll just take it to QQ thread if this is gonna turn into a topic about bad players. If they can't speak english, don't play on NA servers because you are gimping any team who play with. If they can speak english but refuse to, that's just as bad or worse and deserves punishment imo. So ya thats my 2cents and peace.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 02:29:36
June 13 2012 02:29 GMT
#1133
I thought they added a SA server months ago, or at least a BR one.
twitch.tv/cratonz
CaffeineFree-_-
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States712 Posts
June 13 2012 02:50 GMT
#1134
On June 13 2012 11:28 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 11:25 beefhamburger wrote:
On June 13 2012 11:23 Zooper31 wrote:
On June 13 2012 11:21 0123456789 wrote:
Why are you so racist? The U.S. should be a land where every1 is accepted regardless of what language they use.


I could care less what language they speak. But when it makes it impossible to communicate with them and forces us into bad positions which make us lose then I have a problem.

Who says they can't speak english? Just because they don't speak english with you doesn't mean they can't speak english. You want to ban people for using different keyboard layouts from you?
And I dont see how it's any different from bad players that don't listen to pings or calls. And riot won't/can't ban people just for being bad at the game.


I guess I'll just take it to QQ thread if this is gonna turn into a topic about bad players. If they can't speak english, don't play on NA servers because you are gimping any team who play with. If they can speak english but refuse to, that's just as bad or worse and deserves punishment imo. So ya thats my 2cents and peace.

Some of the replies to this guy are so ignorant lmao. He asks a legit inquiry and it somehow turns into 'y u so close minded'. Mentions people spamming korean and chinese and people bring up the fact NA is comprised of 2 other countries. Korea and China they are not...

I agree to your sentiments and think not being able to speak any language native to NA should be reportable, why else bother with different server regions?
We say we love flowers, yet we pluck them. We say we love trees, yet we cut them down. And people still wonder why some are afraid when told they are loved
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
June 13 2012 02:57 GMT
#1135
It's no worse than someone who uses /ignore ally, who naturally wouldn't respond chat. If they don't respond to/use pings either, "refusing to communicate with team" is a reportable offense. It's pretty cut and dry.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 03:28:38
June 13 2012 03:25 GMT
#1136
On June 13 2012 10:17 Cloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 08:41 TheYango wrote:
On June 13 2012 08:37 1ntrigue wrote:
Edit: and make suppression immune to QSS so that QSS and cleanse have the same properties and that suppression gives a special, higher form of cc

Even if you changed that, QSS and Cleanse wouldn't be the same. QSS removes ANY debuff, not just crowd control. Cleanse only removes CC.

Cleanse also removes ignite which isn't cc. Actually it removes the damage part, don't know if the healling debuff too.

89% sure it only removes damage. Blitz is not a hard lane imo, compared to leona he doesn't have get hit by a rather large hitbox through creeps then die factor.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
June 13 2012 03:54 GMT
#1137
On June 13 2012 11:50 CaffeineFree-_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 11:28 Zooper31 wrote:
On June 13 2012 11:25 beefhamburger wrote:
On June 13 2012 11:23 Zooper31 wrote:
On June 13 2012 11:21 0123456789 wrote:
Why are you so racist? The U.S. should be a land where every1 is accepted regardless of what language they use.


I could care less what language they speak. But when it makes it impossible to communicate with them and forces us into bad positions which make us lose then I have a problem.

Who says they can't speak english? Just because they don't speak english with you doesn't mean they can't speak english. You want to ban people for using different keyboard layouts from you?
And I dont see how it's any different from bad players that don't listen to pings or calls. And riot won't/can't ban people just for being bad at the game.


I guess I'll just take it to QQ thread if this is gonna turn into a topic about bad players. If they can't speak english, don't play on NA servers because you are gimping any team who play with. If they can speak english but refuse to, that's just as bad or worse and deserves punishment imo. So ya thats my 2cents and peace.

Some of the replies to this guy are so ignorant lmao. He asks a legit inquiry and it somehow turns into 'y u so close minded'. Mentions people spamming korean and chinese and people bring up the fact NA is comprised of 2 other countries. Korea and China they are not...

I agree to your sentiments and think not being able to speak any language native to NA should be reportable, why else bother with different server regions?


The server regions is to keep this pings manageable ... neither English, French nor Spanish is native to NA, please report this guy if you see him in game.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35144 Posts
June 13 2012 04:06 GMT
#1138
On June 13 2012 11:29 Craton wrote:
I thought they added a SA server months ago, or at least a BR one.


Last I heard, Riot said they wanted to have one up by October.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 13 2012 04:13 GMT
#1139
BR server, aka HUEHUEHUE server, Mordekaiser every game cus he es #1!
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 13 2012 04:30 GMT
#1140
On June 13 2012 12:25 Eppa! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 10:17 Cloud wrote:
On June 13 2012 08:41 TheYango wrote:
On June 13 2012 08:37 1ntrigue wrote:
Edit: and make suppression immune to QSS so that QSS and cleanse have the same properties and that suppression gives a special, higher form of cc

Even if you changed that, QSS and Cleanse wouldn't be the same. QSS removes ANY debuff, not just crowd control. Cleanse only removes CC.

Cleanse also removes ignite which isn't cc. Actually it removes the damage part, don't know if the healling debuff too.

89% sure it only removes damage. Blitz is not a hard lane imo, compared to leona he doesn't have get hit by a rather large hitbox through creeps then die factor.

Cleanse only removes damage.

I find that Alistar lane destroys Blitz lane unless Blitz gets a turret hook off, otherwise Ali just steamrolls him and his partner after grab np
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