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ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
July 06 2012 15:18 GMT
#5661
I can't imagine his clears would be very fast.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 06 2012 15:20 GMT
#5662
On July 07 2012 00:18 ViZe wrote:
I can't imagine his clears would be very fast.

Shatter seemed to help, since it's an armor shred and AoE damage. Still not fast, but once he got blue it was safe as houses thanks to how his heal works.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 06 2012 15:21 GMT
#5663
On July 07 2012 00:18 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 23:50 Schwopzi wrote:
On July 06 2012 23:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Blue pots are secret op. I've been getting them during laning phase for quite some time now. If you secure a kill with it, it's 100% worth it. Even if you don't, you can pressure harder with that extra AP and CDR. I just really like them.


Red pots are so op in close lanes as well, a 200+ hp heal that ignores ignite makes all the difference in a duel


Uh It doesn't ignore ignite and its only 125 hp per pot how I'm pretty sure.


Red Elixer. Not health pot.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 15:30:15
July 06 2012 15:29 GMT
#5664
On July 07 2012 00:18 ViZe wrote:
I can't imagine his clears would be very fast.


He's certainly no Udyr, but he clears well enough. Like a lot of non-bruiser tanky junglers his clear speed starts slowing once he caps out his AoE ability, but by that point objectives/ganks/warding take precedence anyway and your lanes should happily clear any neglected camps for you.
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JokerSan
Profile Joined April 2005
United States306 Posts
July 06 2012 15:32 GMT
#5665
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.

The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 06 2012 15:34 GMT
#5666
On July 07 2012 00:32 JokerSan wrote:
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.

The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.


So don't build him like a support...?
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
July 06 2012 15:40 GMT
#5667
AP Taric is outrageous, truly outrageous.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 15:47:41
July 06 2012 15:45 GMT
#5668
On July 07 2012 00:32 JokerSan wrote:
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.

The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.


Then what is maokai and naut defined as in your book? They're more of a tanky support than anything with their tons of cc and utility. They don't go diving the enemy carry like a bruiser would. They don't have the damage lategame that a bruiser would. They're main jobs are to protect your carry.
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JokerSan
Profile Joined April 2005
United States306 Posts
July 06 2012 15:49 GMT
#5669
On July 07 2012 00:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 00:32 JokerSan wrote:
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.

The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.


So don't build him like a support...?


Yeah you can run a full aspd page and get offensive items on him to improve his clear time, but it's just so bad. His AP ratios are jokes and he has no AD steroids except for his ult. Furthermore he has no mobility so in team fights the only thing he can really do is sit on the carry.

Like I am pretty sure it is obvious and everyone knows Taric is not a jungler and should only be a support. If you wanna argue that he's better than pretty much every other support at jungling, sure you got it, but he's still really terrible at jungling.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 06 2012 16:02 GMT
#5670
On July 07 2012 00:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 00:32 JokerSan wrote:
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.

The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.


So don't build him like a support...?


Yeah man, gotta get the DFG.

I dont think it actually good, but something about 1 shotting people with Taric feels so righteous.

I think Jungle Taric's ganks could be really really strong. Come from behind W->R then E them if they gonna get away.
TheSamuraj
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands27 Posts
July 06 2012 16:03 GMT
#5671
On July 07 2012 00:49 JokerSan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 00:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 07 2012 00:32 JokerSan wrote:
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.

The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.


So don't build him like a support...?


Yeah you can run a full aspd page and get offensive items on him to improve his clear time, but it's just so bad. His AP ratios are jokes and he has no AD steroids except for his ult. Furthermore he has no mobility so in team fights the only thing he can really do is sit on the carry.

Like I am pretty sure it is obvious and everyone knows Taric is not a jungler and should only be a support. If you wanna argue that he's better than pretty much every other support at jungling, sure you got it, but he's still really terrible at jungling.


His ganks are quite deadly, a 1.5 sec stun is strong. His ulti gives everybody 35 AD and AP (himself twice as much) and has decent AP ratios on his skills, 240 + 60% on shatter. He ist as terrrible as you think
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
July 06 2012 16:10 GMT
#5672
The real problem with Taric is if you don't get successful ganks in the early game you start rapidly falling off in the mid game, and of course makes your late game shitty. He is also blue reliant because his mana costs are too high and his passive doesn't help regen mana as much as you would like

His ganks are DECENT but almost every jungler can gank/clear better than him, so he's just a niche for a troll jungler in normals if you're bored
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 16:33:39
July 06 2012 16:31 GMT
#5673
Ultimately it comes down to, if you're thinking about jungling taric, why aren't you picking Alistar, who brings a similar things to the table (Tanky, Supportive CC kit, Great ganks, and a healing ability) but jungles with it far more effectively.

Taric's bursty kit is fine in lane and gives him a good niche, but burst doesn't get you through the jungle very well.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
July 06 2012 16:34 GMT
#5674
On July 07 2012 01:02 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 00:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 07 2012 00:32 JokerSan wrote:
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.

The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.


So don't build him like a support...?


Yeah man, gotta get the DFG.

I dont think it actually good, but something about 1 shotting people with Taric feels so righteous.

I think Jungle Taric's ganks could be really really strong. Come from behind W->R then E them if they gonna get away.

Should be R->W instead. That way W deals more damage from the AP boost, and R doesn't profit from the Armor reduction anyways.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
July 06 2012 16:37 GMT
#5675
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/w4g7e/skarner_needs_a_new_skin_why_not_zoidberg/

upvote pls
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
July 06 2012 16:41 GMT
#5676
On July 07 2012 01:37 Xevious wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/w4g7e/skarner_needs_a_new_skin_why_not_zoidberg/

upvote pls


Not before Obsidian Skarner.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 16:43:49
July 06 2012 16:43 GMT
#5677
On July 07 2012 01:37 Xevious wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/w4g7e/skarner_needs_a_new_skin_why_not_zoidberg/

upvote pls


I feel like you might be biased on this one, Karthold Trump.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 17:53:25
July 06 2012 16:58 GMT
#5678
And now support Maokai. Low ELO = random things all day.

Edit: Skarnold, why you play Mundo? I wanted to spectate your Skarner :\

On a related note, if you spectate a game with Pulsefire Ez, you can hear the robot chick everywhere on the map, not just near him.
It's your boy Guzma!
yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1142 Posts
July 06 2012 17:34 GMT
#5679
On July 07 2012 01:58 Requizen wrote:
And now support Maokai. Low ELO = random things all day.

Support Maokai is random?
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samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
July 06 2012 17:37 GMT
#5680
On July 07 2012 01:58 Requizen wrote:
And now support Maokai. Low ELO = random things all day.


what elo are you?
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