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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
June 26 2012 07:22 GMT
#3501
I don't know if this is legit, but apparently data on six new champs and four new skins were datamined from the PBE:

Starting off, there are a few interesting names included in these files. There are a ton of files labeled as "DarkSovereign", "Diana", and "Xara" , so I'll start with them, as well as a few files relating to "Teek", "Seth", and "Hexmage"


http://surrenderat20.blogspot.com/2012/06/closer-look-at-6-8-pbe-files.html
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 08:00:11
June 26 2012 07:54 GMT
#3502
Thoughts on Nasus currently? Played him on a whim today and remembered how fun he is. Is his weak early-game too much of a disadvantage?

I feel as if almost any champion that plays forward enough to deny you is going to be be easy pickings for a Wither + jungler curbstomp. Even if you can only get 60-75% of your opponent's farm, that's more than enough to outscale them eventually.

I never see him played ever in competition, spectator matches or even in my own ranked/normal games, so obviously people feel that he's SO weak early game that his lategame isn't enough.
I am the Town Medic.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 26 2012 07:55 GMT
#3503
On June 26 2012 07:02 YouGotNothin wrote:
Alright thanks for the advice, so next question: is there anything for LoL like a Day9 Daily is for SC2? Day9 really helped me improve my SC2 skill with deep analysis and strategy/tactics discussion. I checked out this guy WinRaR who does a show Game of Throwns in which he analyzed CLG.EU vs M5 games but most of his analysis was of picks and he only spent about 3 minutes analyzing the actual gameplay.

If you can't tell I am kind of stuck at my current LoL skill level and am looking for ways to get better beyond just playing.

Watching streams like suggested is a great way to learn to play better. The best people to watch that give self commentary on them selves and what there doing.

My top fave is Scarra he is well mannered. Really analyzes his own play explains what hes doing and why he does it. My favorite streamer. He does mid mostly tho

Another person I found to be really informative was WingsofDeath. He top lanes alot and he is really helpful with his insight and telling people why he does what he does.

Hope I have been helpful. :D

Oh and one more thing. This might help you. I sometimes 1v1 with a higher elo friend of mine like 1900 and it helps to see what he does better. And try to contest him in the game. It will only help your laning not your team fights but it helps i think. Go on skype and talk to them while your playing so you can improve.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
June 26 2012 08:22 GMT
#3504
On June 26 2012 16:54 Alzadar wrote:
Thoughts on Nasus currently? Played him on a whim today and remembered how fun he is. Is his weak early-game too much of a disadvantage?

I feel as if almost any champion that plays forward enough to deny you is going to be be easy pickings for a Wither + jungler curbstomp. Even if you can only get 60-75% of your opponent's farm, that's more than enough to outscale them eventually.

I never see him played ever in competition, spectator matches or even in my own ranked/normal games, so obviously people feel that he's SO weak early game that his lategame isn't enough.


In my opinion nasus as a champion is still extremely strong.
The problem in most of my games is, that my teammates never realise that if a nasus solotop goes 0/4 in the laningphase, but still get his Q farmed up to 300, then your team is NOT behind.
Nasus strength is the lategame. But if your team surrenders at 25 minutes, because "nasus is doing nothing" then he cant shine.
If he get his 200-300 cs and half of them killed with Q, then he will tear shit down in the lategame.
Because his damage comes from his farm, he will only need sheen or triforce as offensive items, all other items can go full tank (my usual build is like mercs/tf/frozen heart/shurelias/banshees/...).
In teamfights his ult will give him the strength to oneshot squishies while standing in the enemies and his wither is the best slow in the game.
If the Nasus-team lasts to the lategame, and the Nasus knows what he is doing, then you have a big bad dog on your team.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
June 26 2012 08:22 GMT
#3505
On June 26 2012 16:54 Alzadar wrote:
Thoughts on Nasus currently? Played him on a whim today and remembered how fun he is. Is his weak early-game too much of a disadvantage?

I feel as if almost any champion that plays forward enough to deny you is going to be be easy pickings for a Wither + jungler curbstomp. Even if you can only get 60-75% of your opponent's farm, that's more than enough to outscale them eventually.

I never see him played ever in competition, spectator matches or even in my own ranked/normal games, so obviously people feel that he's SO weak early game that his lategame isn't enough.


Irelia has a stronger team fight presence than him imo. He can get kited, whereas kiting Irelia is near impossible unless you have every bit of cc going down on her. Just one reason why he doesn't get played very often.

Also, low mobility.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 26 2012 08:56 GMT
#3506
Nasus problem is that is late game is not even THAT godlike... He is incredible for single target damage and that's it. No AoE, easily kited, no stun/silence/root (even though his slow is nice). I always feel like his ult should be an AoE slow around him.
The legend of Darien lives on
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 26 2012 09:10 GMT
#3507
nasus is really strong but you shouldn't be losing lanes that hard with him. His presence later isn't that disproportiately large unless fights go down to a few people left alive.
Rixxe
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom136 Posts
June 26 2012 09:48 GMT
#3508
Isn't the problem with Nasus is that he just cant stick on someone after the slow as finished? Its cool hitting them for huge amounts of damage, but if its only once per fight....

As a side note: Been trying Karma mid, She seems really strong (good sustain, nice damage, decent burst, clearing ability) but i'm not sure the best way to build her, guessing that new item Athens Grail?
She's not exactly mana efficient at all, so not sure of the best items to build.
*bleep* you up in a gangsta style!
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
June 26 2012 09:51 GMT
#3509
On June 26 2012 17:22 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 16:54 Alzadar wrote:
Thoughts on Nasus currently? Played him on a whim today and remembered how fun he is. Is his weak early-game too much of a disadvantage?

I feel as if almost any champion that plays forward enough to deny you is going to be be easy pickings for a Wither + jungler curbstomp. Even if you can only get 60-75% of your opponent's farm, that's more than enough to outscale them eventually.

I never see him played ever in competition, spectator matches or even in my own ranked/normal games, so obviously people feel that he's SO weak early game that his lategame isn't enough.


Irelia has a stronger team fight presence than him imo. He can get kited, whereas kiting Irelia is near impossible unless you have every bit of cc going down on her. Just one reason why he doesn't get played very often.

Also, low mobility.


Shove a wither on her and watch your AD carry kite her to hell and back.


On June 26 2012 17:56 mr_tolkien wrote:
Nasus problem is that is late game is not even THAT godlike... He is incredible for single target damage and that's it. No AoE, easily kited, no stun/silence/root (even though his slow is nice). I always feel like his ult should be an AoE slow around him.


No AoE? Shit, wish someone had told me so I could just forgo leveling E at all...

E is fucking amazing for the Armour reduction and even for the consistent damage it outputs. Very much an underrated ability and if you're getting starved for farm, it's a safe way to prevent your lane from being pushed to tower.

Nasus' problem is AP tops like vlad and kennen who just harass the shit out of him. Give me an Olaf or an Irelia anyday.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 09:56:40
June 26 2012 09:55 GMT
#3510
nasus with max cdr has basically perma slow up.

nasus also isnt first pickable realistically you need to pick him after they pick top which makes him impossible to practice in solo queue. It's hard to justify picking him when he's strong but there's plenty of other strong picks who don't need to be worried about early game.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 10:31:10
June 26 2012 10:27 GMT
#3511
Nasus just is rather bad overall. Really easy to gank early, not strong enough late. Poor mobility, very vulnerable to CC, can't really win lanes. Not that amazing damage, either. Someone like Malphite has more dmg with a full tank build, someone like Tryndamere can build DPS and have more damage. Requiring 300 minions just to stop being useless really isn't viable

Also yeah during laning super easy ganks. Camping top just wins the game to enemy.

On June 26 2012 18:51 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 17:22 Cloud9157 wrote:
On June 26 2012 16:54 Alzadar wrote:
Thoughts on Nasus currently? Played him on a whim today and remembered how fun he is. Is his weak early-game too much of a disadvantage?

I feel as if almost any champion that plays forward enough to deny you is going to be be easy pickings for a Wither + jungler curbstomp. Even if you can only get 60-75% of your opponent's farm, that's more than enough to outscale them eventually.

I never see him played ever in competition, spectator matches or even in my own ranked/normal games, so obviously people feel that he's SO weak early game that his lategame isn't enough.


Irelia has a stronger team fight presence than him imo. He can get kited, whereas kiting Irelia is near impossible unless you have every bit of cc going down on her. Just one reason why he doesn't get played very often.

Also, low mobility.


Shove a wither on her and watch your AD carry kite her to hell and back.

For... 2 seconds? Doesn't WW accomplish that way better?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6215 Posts
June 26 2012 10:39 GMT
#3512
The main problem with nasus late game is that although it forces a QSS from their AD carry, once they cleanse it, you're gimped until it comes off cooldown again. In the 5 seconds during which all you do is Q their front line which is generally as tanky as you are, their AD carry is melting your team. Vayne/kogmaw/corki don't care about your 300 armour, 200 MR. They'll just shoot you from max range and you'll die in those 5 seconds, even with FH/randuins.

Nasus does do amazing damage with full tank + farm but getting that is absurdly hard if the other team plays correctly. (I generally have trinity, randuins, FH, shurelyas, mercs, FoN/GA endgame). He's viable if the other team picked a weak early jungler (WW, Shen, Mumu) and your team picked a strong jungler (Udyr, Lee Sin, Nocturne). If you can hit level 6 on an even footing with the enemy laner, you're well on the way to winning lane.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 10:53:42
June 26 2012 10:52 GMT
#3513
People will come up with every possible reason that nasus sucks but honestly the main reason is that nobody plays him, if he got a miniscule buff he would probably see play again.

Also malphite just honestly feels overpowered right now. He does decent damage has great engage and the attack speed slow is insane. How did people only discover him recently?
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6215 Posts
June 26 2012 11:09 GMT
#3514
Malphite got a minor buff during the darius patch and he was seeing a bit more play out of that but what really made him stand out was xhazzard's use of malphite during MLG. He actually dominated with him enough to get malph banned and I think that's where the popularity stems from. He wrecks teamcomps centered around a protect the AD since his Q+E removes an AD's damage and MS, something that's reduced even further by FH/randuins, two items that're commonly built on him.

Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 11:17:56
June 26 2012 11:16 GMT
#3515
He also basically wins every lane now because of how hard sustain got nerfed.

I haven't faced kennen or vlad yet, but just about everything else he seems to win.

Nasus can probably lane against him actually, because of the passive lifesteal, but it's not free farm. I should try it if they first pick malph.
Gaslo
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland951 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 11:42:22
June 26 2012 11:41 GMT
#3516
Is it true that there is some update that you don't lose elo if you dodge? Wtf? It has taken me something like 7 tries to get in to a game today, because people just keep dodging at the last second...
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
June 26 2012 11:51 GMT
#3517
On June 26 2012 20:41 Gaslo wrote:
Is it true that there is some update that you don't lose elo if you dodge? Wtf? It has taken me something like 7 tries to get in to a game today, because people just keep dodging at the last second...


Really?
People rarely dodge nowadays, even in normals.
Dodge = 1hour to log in
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
June 26 2012 11:54 GMT
#3518
On June 26 2012 20:51 Abenson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 20:41 Gaslo wrote:
Is it true that there is some update that you don't lose elo if you dodge? Wtf? It has taken me something like 7 tries to get in to a game today, because people just keep dodging at the last second...


Really?
People rarely dodge nowadays, even in normals.
Dodge = 1hour to log in

Is that real? Oh my client froze, guess I won't play for an hour. Wtf my client crashed, guess I won't be playing for an hour.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 26 2012 11:59 GMT
#3519
On June 26 2012 20:16 Slayer91 wrote:
He also basically wins every lane now because of how hard sustain got nerfed.

I haven't faced kennen or vlad yet, but just about everything else he seems to win.

Nasus can probably lane against him actually, because of the passive lifesteal, but it's not free farm. I should try it if they first pick malph.

If Malph rushes FH, and you don't have AS, there's nothing you can do. Takes 3 seconds to do an AA.
Guranteed to lose every trade, passive is a non-issue because of the insane AS reduction.

Buy AS early. Or pray he doesn't rush FH.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 26 2012 12:05 GMT
#3520
You don't trade.
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