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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 06 2012 18:32 GMT
#1221
3 second fear is one of the most broken skills I've seen in this game
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 06 2012 18:37 GMT
#1222
On May 07 2012 03:22 Craton wrote:
They could make Fiddle a lot more viable just by nerfing the fear duration and making it not scale with levels. Give it a bit of damage or something for each rank. That'd let Fiddle's get more points in E and be able to clear jungle 0.2 more quickly.


I think they'd make his Jungle much more viable if they gave his E the Master Yi Q treatment and made it do bonus damage to minions.

All it would do is increase his jungle speed, which as of now is atrocious. I think his clear is like 450~ or something. So slow.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 18:44:10
May 06 2012 18:44 GMT
#1223
4:50 is kinda exaggerating, its like 4:30 max with dorans
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 18:55:08
May 06 2012 18:52 GMT
#1224
On May 07 2012 03:37 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 03:22 Craton wrote:
They could make Fiddle a lot more viable just by nerfing the fear duration and making it not scale with levels. Give it a bit of damage or something for each rank. That'd let Fiddle's get more points in E and be able to clear jungle 0.2 more quickly.


I think they'd make his Jungle much more viable if they gave his E the Master Yi Q treatment and made it do bonus damage to minions.

All it would do is increase his jungle speed, which as of now is atrocious. I think his clear is like 450~ or something. So slow.


actually, the way it is now, if you max e first, fiddle's clear speed isn't half bad (i know because that's how i first started jungling him). The problem is, it makes his general champion vs champion interaction total shit because e is useless past lvl 1 in comparison to fear/drain. So, as it is now, it's pretty much impossible to max e first and actually be useful in any skirmishes.

edit: i agree with craton in that if you buff fear earlygame and make it more of a 1 point wonder, then the flexibility to level e for jungle speed would make fiddle much much stronger and, more importantly, much more stable in the jungle.
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 06 2012 18:56 GMT
#1225
I remember when I used to be bad I would max E over Q on Fiddle, and wondered why I was doing no damage lol.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 19:02:14
May 06 2012 19:01 GMT
#1226
Fiddle's a relic. He needs a complete remake imo. The problem is that in lane, he gets completely shat on by a vast majority of laners to the point where he can become rather worthless. In the jungle, he has no jungle control and is slow as shit. His ganks also aren't all that amazing until he gets quite a few levels. Before the jungle remake, it wasn't that bad 'cause you could fiddle around (pun intended) with jungle paths and manage to keep up for the first few levels; maybe even get ahead if you can sneak a super early dragon. Now, fiddle just falls behind other junglers wayyyy too fast and gets all his shit stolen np.

imo he's one of the worst 3 champs in LoL atm
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
May 06 2012 19:05 GMT
#1227
Eh, fiddle beats a lot of casters and bruisers. Plus anyone that plays him has the advantage that no one knows how to play vs him.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 06 2012 19:10 GMT
#1228
On May 07 2012 04:01 Ryuu314 wrote:
Fiddle's a relic. He needs a complete remake imo. The problem is that in lane, he gets completely shat on by a vast majority of laners to the point where he can become rather worthless. In the jungle, he has no jungle control and is slow as shit. His ganks also aren't all that amazing until he gets quite a few levels. Before the jungle remake, it wasn't that bad 'cause you could fiddle around (pun intended) with jungle paths and manage to keep up for the first few levels; maybe even get ahead if you can sneak a super early dragon. Now, fiddle just falls behind other junglers wayyyy too fast and gets all his shit stolen np.

imo he's one of the worst 3 champs in LoL atm


You get a fiddle to the mid game relatively okay he kills everything. One of the few champions who still has a different power curve.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
May 06 2012 19:13 GMT
#1229
His ult is so much damage and his CC is great, which makes him semi-viable if manage to get to midgame without being too far behind. He's great in all stages of the game except he has no lane he fits in and his jungle kinda sucks. Perhaps support fiddle could work though, that is yet to be seen
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 19:18:23
May 06 2012 19:16 GMT
#1230
Fiddle gets stomped hard by anyone with any form of cc to interrupt his drain channel. He also pushes the lane uncontrollably every time he uses his E, but at the same time he has no way to clear waves so the opposing laner can just shove the lane all day and he'll lose a majority of his farm to the tower. Fiddle also goes oom extremely fast if he's trying to trade damage. That being said, if he manages to get blue+lvl 5 drain he can outtrade pretty much anyone since the cd on lvl 5 blue buff'd drain is super low.

In the midgame, Fiddle needs items. Not to do damage, but so that he doesn't get blown up instantly when he uses his ulti. He has one of the shittiest base stats in the game so he really needs some form of damage mitigation in the form of Zhonyas or tank items. Sure, his fear is very strong, but the range is really short and if you want a cc bot, there are better options. You could try running him support, but I don't see it working. Every viable support has a way to interrupt Fid's drain, which is basically his only form of dps. If you want a kill lane, Leona/Ali does much better. Heck, support Panth will do better for a kill lane than Fid.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 06 2012 19:24 GMT
#1231
Do Swain/Ryze/Vlad beat Rumble top lane? They're ranged, he's not, and he has no gapcloser, so I guess they would do at least okay against him.

Also, which recent champs have been popular? I can see Nautilus, Lulu in tournaments (at my Elo and from what I've spectated not so much), and more ancient stuff like Riven/Graves. Ziggs, Xerath, Viktor, Fiora, Sejuani I haven't really seen at all. I don't know if it's that I barely play normals at all anymore, or that despite the novelty Riot failed to appeal people to them.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
May 06 2012 19:49 GMT
#1232
On May 07 2012 04:24 Alaric wrote:
Do Swain/Ryze/Vlad beat Rumble top lane? They're ranged, he's not, and he has no gapcloser, so I guess they would do at least okay against him.

Also, which recent champs have been popular? I can see Nautilus, Lulu in tournaments (at my Elo and from what I've spectated not so much), and more ancient stuff like Riven/Graves. Ziggs, Xerath, Viktor, Fiora, Sejuani I haven't really seen at all. I don't know if it's that I barely play normals at all anymore, or that despite the novelty Riot failed to appeal people to them.


Going back to Riven:

Riven, Graves, Shyvana, Fizz, Ahri, Ziggs, Nautilus, Lulu are all pretty popular.
Xerath, Volibear, Viktor, Sejuani, Fiora, Hecarim not as popular.

So they have a >50% success rate with new champions.
=O
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
May 06 2012 19:49 GMT
#1233
^^ concerning Rumble top lane, the other day I was vs. one as teemo and got completely shut down once he hit level 4. He hardcore teemod me. Should this happen?
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 19:50:25
May 06 2012 19:49 GMT
#1234
Sejuani is a slow jungler so few people like her (Hecarim also slightly too slow for most people's udyr/shyv/mundo tastes). Ziggs was nerfed therefore he's unusable. Xerath is forgotten because Q looks like silly string. Fiora is way too euro and lacks any fetish skin. Viktor has bad hair and aiming E is too hard even though he's secret OP.

This comes from my very scientific poll of one person.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
May 06 2012 19:59 GMT
#1235
On May 07 2012 04:49 phyvo wrote:
Sejuani is a slow jungler so few people like her (Hecarim also slightly too slow for most people's udyr/shyv/mundo tastes). Ziggs was nerfed therefore he's unusable. Xerath is forgotten because Q looks like silly string. Fiora is way too euro and lacks any fetish skin. Viktor has bad hair and aiming E is too hard even though he's secret OP.

This comes from my very scientific poll of one person.


Sejuani and Hecarim both have the same problem that Riot is completely terrified of buffed Skarner status so they made their early jungle totally suck like release Skarner. If Sejuani got a buff to her early W damage she'd get strong early clears and be fine, and Hecarim just needs Q to not be halved against minions. 50% of Skarner's damage with no slow. Awesome.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
May 06 2012 20:06 GMT
#1236
i think fiora's problem is that she is a melee with no innate tankiness, no cc, no escape, and a lot of bad matchups top lane. don't think aesthetics has anything to do with it. but yeah, she probably suffers from the same fear of the OPness that would result if she actually had a useful kit to go with her ult
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
May 06 2012 20:11 GMT
#1237
On May 07 2012 04:59 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 04:49 phyvo wrote:
Sejuani is a slow jungler so few people like her (Hecarim also slightly too slow for most people's udyr/shyv/mundo tastes). Ziggs was nerfed therefore he's unusable. Xerath is forgotten because Q looks like silly string. Fiora is way too euro and lacks any fetish skin. Viktor has bad hair and aiming E is too hard even though he's secret OP.

This comes from my very scientific poll of one person.


Sejuani and Hecarim both have the same problem that Riot is completely terrified of buffed Skarner status so they made their early jungle totally suck like release Skarner. If Sejuani got a buff to her early W damage she'd get strong early clears and be fine, and Hecarim just needs Q to not be halved against minions. 50% of Skarner's damage with no slow. Awesome.


Yup, a bit higher mana cost & no dmg reduction on Q would make heca a lot better. Seju just clears atrociously slow and loses a lot of health clearing to booth.
For seju I think making W damage independent of her passive would help a ton. At least you dont have to waste Q then to do decent aoe damage.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21665 Posts
May 06 2012 20:16 GMT
#1238
I think Fiora is indeed another case of OP fear. Give her a cc and a little tank and she turns into pre nerf Xin.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
May 06 2012 20:26 GMT
#1239
ugh, fiddle, before the jungle remake he was a common jungler and I banned him every game because he's got the most obnoxious ganks. Nothing about his skills really makes any sense, his basic damage spell requires him to channel and it has OP levels of sustain, put two extremely difficult things to balance on one button, gl with that. To make it work at all they have the most wtf cc in the game, 3 second point and click fear with like 600 range. Then there's zero power left over for his E so it's just a complete piece of shit. His ult I feel is fair, the only problem is having it come out of the jungle at you, pretty much impossible to avoid.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 20:33:55
May 06 2012 20:33 GMT
#1240
Fiddle is like really weak right now, which is sad as his is ultimate creates such an interesting dynamic in team fights and really lets clutch play come into play, I still remember Messiahs flash/silence on Soraka from before s1.
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