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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 07 2012 03:22 Craton wrote: They could make Fiddle a lot more viable just by nerfing the fear duration and making it not scale with levels. Give it a bit of damage or something for each rank. That'd let Fiddle's get more points in E and be able to clear jungle 0.2 more quickly. I think they'd make his Jungle much more viable if they gave his E the Master Yi Q treatment and made it do bonus damage to minions. All it would do is increase his jungle speed, which as of now is atrocious. I think his clear is like 450~ or something. So slow. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On May 07 2012 03:37 iCanada wrote: I think they'd make his Jungle much more viable if they gave his E the Master Yi Q treatment and made it do bonus damage to minions. All it would do is increase his jungle speed, which as of now is atrocious. I think his clear is like 450~ or something. So slow. actually, the way it is now, if you max e first, fiddle's clear speed isn't half bad (i know because that's how i first started jungling him). The problem is, it makes his general champion vs champion interaction total shit because e is useless past lvl 1 in comparison to fear/drain. So, as it is now, it's pretty much impossible to max e first and actually be useful in any skirmishes. edit: i agree with craton in that if you buff fear earlygame and make it more of a 1 point wonder, then the flexibility to level e for jungle speed would make fiddle much much stronger and, more importantly, much more stable in the jungle. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
imo he's one of the worst 3 champs in LoL atm | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 07 2012 04:01 Ryuu314 wrote: Fiddle's a relic. He needs a complete remake imo. The problem is that in lane, he gets completely shat on by a vast majority of laners to the point where he can become rather worthless. In the jungle, he has no jungle control and is slow as shit. His ganks also aren't all that amazing until he gets quite a few levels. Before the jungle remake, it wasn't that bad 'cause you could fiddle around (pun intended) with jungle paths and manage to keep up for the first few levels; maybe even get ahead if you can sneak a super early dragon. Now, fiddle just falls behind other junglers wayyyy too fast and gets all his shit stolen np. imo he's one of the worst 3 champs in LoL atm You get a fiddle to the mid game relatively okay he kills everything. One of the few champions who still has a different power curve. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
In the midgame, Fiddle needs items. Not to do damage, but so that he doesn't get blown up instantly when he uses his ulti. He has one of the shittiest base stats in the game so he really needs some form of damage mitigation in the form of Zhonyas or tank items. Sure, his fear is very strong, but the range is really short and if you want a cc bot, there are better options. You could try running him support, but I don't see it working. Every viable support has a way to interrupt Fid's drain, which is basically his only form of dps. If you want a kill lane, Leona/Ali does much better. Heck, support Panth will do better for a kill lane than Fid. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also, which recent champs have been popular? I can see Nautilus, Lulu in tournaments (at my Elo and from what I've spectated not so much), and more ancient stuff like Riven/Graves. Ziggs, Xerath, Viktor, Fiora, Sejuani I haven't really seen at all. I don't know if it's that I barely play normals at all anymore, or that despite the novelty Riot failed to appeal people to them. | ||
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Shifft
Canada1085 Posts
On May 07 2012 04:24 Alaric wrote: Do Swain/Ryze/Vlad beat Rumble top lane? They're ranged, he's not, and he has no gapcloser, so I guess they would do at least okay against him. Also, which recent champs have been popular? I can see Nautilus, Lulu in tournaments (at my Elo and from what I've spectated not so much), and more ancient stuff like Riven/Graves. Ziggs, Xerath, Viktor, Fiora, Sejuani I haven't really seen at all. I don't know if it's that I barely play normals at all anymore, or that despite the novelty Riot failed to appeal people to them. Going back to Riven: Riven, Graves, Shyvana, Fizz, Ahri, Ziggs, Nautilus, Lulu are all pretty popular. Xerath, Volibear, Viktor, Sejuani, Fiora, Hecarim not as popular. So they have a >50% success rate with new champions. | ||
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Juddas
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
This comes from my very scientific poll of one person. | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On May 07 2012 04:49 phyvo wrote: Sejuani is a slow jungler so few people like her (Hecarim also slightly too slow for most people's udyr/shyv/mundo tastes). Ziggs was nerfed therefore he's unusable. Xerath is forgotten because Q looks like silly string. Fiora is way too euro and lacks any fetish skin. Viktor has bad hair and aiming E is too hard even though he's secret OP. This comes from my very scientific poll of one person. Sejuani and Hecarim both have the same problem that Riot is completely terrified of buffed Skarner status so they made their early jungle totally suck like release Skarner. If Sejuani got a buff to her early W damage she'd get strong early clears and be fine, and Hecarim just needs Q to not be halved against minions. 50% of Skarner's damage with no slow. Awesome. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On May 07 2012 04:59 Seiuchi wrote: Sejuani and Hecarim both have the same problem that Riot is completely terrified of buffed Skarner status so they made their early jungle totally suck like release Skarner. If Sejuani got a buff to her early W damage she'd get strong early clears and be fine, and Hecarim just needs Q to not be halved against minions. 50% of Skarner's damage with no slow. Awesome. Yup, a bit higher mana cost & no dmg reduction on Q would make heca a lot better. Seju just clears atrociously slow and loses a lot of health clearing to booth. For seju I think making W damage independent of her passive would help a ton. At least you dont have to waste Q then to do decent aoe damage. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21666 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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