[Patch 1.0.0.139: Spectator Mode] General Discussion - Pag…

On May 13 2012 04:39 Craton wrote:
Smart-selfcast is probably the worst thing in the game. Just get used to pressing alt + ability and you'll save yourself a lot of headache from not accidentally self-casting something you wanted on someone else.

I'm pretty sure Galio should have no trouble whatsoever against LB since he can just stack MR, potentially get an early veil if he so chooses, push her into tower (she sucks at LH under tower), and has Bulwark to further block any burst.

On May 13 2012 04:32 aRyuujin wrote:
quick tips on galio vs leblanc?

On May 13 2012 04:41 Gorsameth wrote:


This is something i have wondered about aswell. Not sure what the comps were but if your getting hit as ad carry its usual by assassins or bruisers and i dont really think the ~15% lifesteal you will be getting from BT is going to keep you alive any more then the extra damage of IE will.

Isnt it better to be able to kill the bruiser before he gets to you then being able to take 1second longer to die when he does get there.

On May 13 2012 04:41 Gorsameth wrote:


This is something i have wondered about aswell. Not sure what the comps were but if your getting hit as ad carry its usual by assassins or bruisers and i dont really think the ~15% lifesteal you will be getting from BT is going to keep you alive any more then the extra damage of IE will.

Isnt it better to be able to kill the bruiser before he gets to you then being able to take 1second longer to die when he does get there.

On May 13 2012 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote:

for me, the alt+ability is really unresponsive atm. it's kinda annoying especially when jungling/playing lee sin

On May 13 2012 05:34 Haasts wrote:
Sadly nobody's going to remember any of Xpecial's great Janna ults and just that one that saved Na'vi from Regi's Kennen ult :/
That Nunu was doing work peeling for Kog'maw - I'm amazed the knew just how long they could kite Dyrus' fed Olaf through his ult.

On May 13 2012 05:34 Haasts wrote:
Sadly nobody's going to remember any of Xpecial's great Janna ults and just that one that saved Na'vi from Regi's Kennen ult :/
That Nunu was doing work peeling for Kog'maw - I'm amazed the knew just how long they could kite Dyrus' fed Olaf through his ult.

On May 13 2012 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:

Can't tell if sarcastic, but yes, I agree. His burst combo requires a little more than say, Vik/Annie or any of the other massive burst level 6 combos from APs, but I believe his does the most damage?

His poke is alright too, it's just having to root yourself for the same range as Ziggs level insane poke kinda sucks.

Edit: Level 6 Xerath = 600 + 3.1*AP burst if you hit all your spells.
Level 6 Ahri (Assuming max Q first) = 620 + 2.66*AP if you hit everything on the same target.
Level 6 Annie = not even close. Even with Tibbers AoE and attack damage.
Level 6 Viktor = 740 + 3.65*AP if your storm stays on target for full duration. Not unreasonable.

Hmm....gonna go through the rest of these but I think Viktor may win the level 6 burst combo. (I'm not going to include Cassiopeia because she is always hands down going to come up #1 if you can Hit R-->Q/W--> E spam for a few secs. Also won't include Ryze because he doesn't really have a 'burst,' per se.)

For most of these I am assuming level 3 of commonly maxed skill (ie Ziggs - bouncing Bomb, Annie - Disintegrate, etc) and 1 point in every other skill.

Level 6 Ziggs = 685 + 3.4*AP however, this is assuming the champion in question is sitting in the middle of your giant bomb explosion AND runs over every single mine you drop, so in reality this will be lower (both AP multiplier and damage).
Level 6 Vlad = 510 + 1.75*AP assuming you get 4 Tides of Blood stacks and sit on them for whole pool duration.
Level 6 Gragas = 465 + 2.4*AP (and a little bit of damage from AD)


Level 6 Brand = 806+ 3.45*AP + Blaze damage (Assuming of course that you hit Pillar after Conflag and you miraculously have one enemy minion to bounce Pyroclasm off of to hit enemy champ 3 times. In reality, much lower.)
Level 6 Veigar = 540 + 2.8*AP + 0.8 enemy*AP
Level 6 Kennen = 545 + 3.1*AP + a couple autos I guess for stun combo/W passive. This is a really good one because it's essentially all guaranteed damage with the stun so in reality the number is somewhere above 600.
Level 6 Malzahar = 530 + 2.9*AP + whatever damage done from Nullzone. (Assuming E max, I guess) Also a huge combo.
Level 6 Morgana = 705 + 3.3*AP (assuming W max) another huge one.


Not 100% sure why I did this but it's still interesting to see. Anyone I forgot?

On May 13 2012 05:28 TheLink wrote:
Chaox needs to have a rule before every single game when he's calling the team comp.

"Do we need to initiate or can we poke/split."
"How are we initiating."
"What is our plan when besieging a tower."

TSM ALWAYS looks so lost every time basic scenario's occur.