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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
Explain why a few champs can use lichbane (fizz), manamune (blitz, corki if you are not good at mana management), sunfire (rare and only on poorly farming tanks), thornmail (rammus if they are heavy AD?) and other items that you should not get in normal cases (if ever + Show Spoiler + "cough" tiamat "cough" This may help new players to see why they should NOT get those items on [insert generic AD/AP/support], but why it is okay to build if you are playing a character with unusual itemisation. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 11 2012 22:52 Slayer91 wrote: If you're laning against an AP top with some champs who don't need the extra pots immediately but kinda want philo it's not bad at all. True, but then again, we are talking about a list of items for new players who are probably gonna need the extra regen from pots because they are, well, not very good yet. Not to mention they arent gonna be able to diferentiate between those situations yet. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also stubborn people "I read it in a guide, I'll do it". I feel it's too situational to let them believe they can realistically get away with it ("yeah it's Fiora but that guide says philostone first"). | ||
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On April 11 2012 23:57 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: pendant + pot first is great on top laners that have great survivability but struggle with sustain without wriggles (Poppy and Singed comes to mind, Panth to a lesser degree). Its basically less immediate sustain than cloth 5, but results in faster philo and better midgame (no wriggles = 300 wasted gold on cloth). Singed tends to eat harass and can't trade very well in his earliest levels and doing that without more than a single potion is suicide. Not sure how Poppy's early laning works well enough to say whether or not she can get away with it. When Pantheon doesn't need potions, he should probably be opening dorans blade and trucking his opponent, not buying regrowth. The only time cloth is a wasted 300 gold is when you're against a magic-damage top lane, in which case why are you considering opening cloth5? Even if you're sitting on it for AGES and not building it into anything until you're building a frozen heart or randuins or something, it's a perfectly fine item by itself. | ||
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NationInArms
United States1553 Posts
On April 11 2012 16:42 NeoIllusions wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=166096 Somewhat out of date but has a lot of the basics you might be looking for. Thanks, I trying to get into LoL, but some weird errors popped up so now I have to repair. T_T | ||
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Xirt
Scotland52 Posts
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On April 11 2012 04:38 sob3k wrote: Like I said, I would only go mobility on maybe Twitch/Shaco and Sion, very niche conditional pick so I left them off the list. Your opinion doesn't match with what many people do. Mobility boots are common on champions like AP Sion and show up with some regularity on Jungle Alistar and Skarner. You should include the boot with an explanation on how it's used and why it's situational, not try to pretend nobody does it or that it isn't viable just because you never do it. If you aren't willing to do that much, you should leave writing guides to those who are. Objectivity is key. | ||
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Fawkes
Canada1935 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 12 2012 06:11 Craton wrote: Your opinion doesn't match with what many people do. Mobility boots are common on champions like AP Sion and show up with some regularity on Jungle Alistar and Skarner. You should include the boot with an explanation on how it's used and why it's situational, not try to pretend nobody does it or that it isn't viable just because you never do it. If you aren't willing to do that much, you should leave writing guides to those who are. Objectivity is key. I said Sion... The entire point of this guide is that it is not objective in the slightest. As opposed to me just going through every item in the game and writing a page on each detailing their use in every matchup (and having it be useless), I'm just trying to make a quick and dirty help sheet to get newer players to start building viable items. I seriously considered just having the boot section just be Zerkers, Mercs, and Sorcs, because all the other boots are much more uncommon and I think new player will have better success just building one of those three than getting confused by choices. Mobility boots being used on 2-5 specific builds (jungle alistar probably wont even be seen until you have played like 300 games) out of 95+ champs is not going to make my cut. Once people have a basic handle on building for different champs there are literally thousands of incredibly detailed guides to help them zero in on exactly what is optimal in a given matchup. On April 12 2012 06:17 Fawkes wrote: The three Dorans Ring mid is not really ONLY used as a mana regen tool, it provides hp buffer, damage and the mana regen. Something you need as a mid to survive ganks and burst damage. I though I mentioned that but I guess I didn't, added. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
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Leeoku
1617 Posts
On April 11 2012 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote: Couple things. Regarding your solo top starting items you said "Sheen is a common early item in Champions that will use it in lane and to build Trinity Force." That's not exactly true. If a champion wants Triforce, the most common item that they'll get is Phage. I wouldn't ever go Sheen before Phage on my solo top bruisers. In fact, off the top of my head the only solo top champ that I would ever get Sheen before Phage on is Poppy. Also, it's not as common, but if you plan on getting Wriggles opening cloth5 on AD bot isn't completely unheard of/bad. I know M5 did that a few times at IEM. Additionally, Frozen Heart is also extremely good on bruisers that want CDR but don't want to go too far out of their way to itemize for it. Zhonyas should be in the AP items list. Frozen Mallet should also trump Warmogs. Part of the reason why you don't see many Warmogs builds nowadays is because after the nerf, Frozen Mallet is almost always a more useful pickup than Warmogs. forgot nasus | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Yea forgot about him. But with Nasus it's pretty situational which one u want first imo. I haven't played him in a long time tho so iunno. On April 12 2012 07:49 57 Corvette wrote: Is Dring not a viable mid opening any more? It's not particularly all that good. If you open Dring and the other guy has boots+3, they will be able to punish you for having lower movespeed and no sustain. | ||
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Fawkes
Canada1935 Posts
On April 12 2012 07:49 57 Corvette wrote: Is Dring not a viable mid opening any more? You become too vulnerable to skill shots and ganks. | ||
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Silencioseu
Cyprus493 Posts
On April 12 2012 07:49 57 Corvette wrote: Is Dring not a viable mid opening any more? Skillshots as time passes by become more and more powerful( as they are intended) so Dring wont help you as much as boots mid cuz of many nukers with powerful skill shots(at least thats what i think how it goes). | ||
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Strykemard
168 Posts
On April 12 2012 07:49 57 Corvette wrote: Is Dring not a viable mid opening any more? It depends on the hero. Like on lux for example I just cannot manage without a Dring as her mana pool and damages were too low for me to have any impact on the enemy. Boots 2 hp and 1 mana pot might work though. But on heroes like say brand its not such a great item. | ||
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