EPTStarters Guide to Items - Page 2
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On April 11 2012 07:57 sob3k wrote: Yeah, thats kind of getting into other areas of knowledge...I just want to keep this a brief item summary. Basically I just hope I can prevent nubs from ending up building this: ![[image loading]](http://edge4.mobafire.com/images/item/boots-of-swiftness.gif) ![[image loading]](http://edge4.mobafire.com/images/item/thornmail.gif) ![[image loading]](http://edge4.mobafire.com/images/item/tiamat.gif) ![[image loading]](http://edge4.mobafire.com/images/item/avarice-blade.gif) ![[image loading]](http://edge1.mobafire.com/images/item/ionic-spark.gif) ![[image loading]](http://edge2.mobafire.com/images/item/sunfire-cape.gif) and wondering why they suck so bad Bu- bu- but, lighting...  | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 11 2012 07:57 sob3k wrote: Yeah, thats kind of getting into other areas of knowledge...I just want to keep this a brief item summary. Basically I just hope I can prevent nubs from ending up building this: and wondering why they suck so bad Aaa... an.. and Thornmail | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
So the question is: should I finish Zeal into PD before moving on to IE, should I keep doing what I've been doing, or should I skip Zeal and get IE first and then make a PD? This applies to intermediate items in general, should you finish one build at a time or is it sometimes a good idea to make a partial build, move onto another build and then come back to finish it later? Also, reading this guide makes me think I should try getting Wriggles, since nobody ever buys wards in low level games, just to have peace of mind not to get ganked from the river. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On April 11 2012 10:28 Goragoth wrote: As a low-level noob still learning, this looks like a good place to throw out an item build question. Ok, so I often play range AD champs going bot (being low level there's almost never a support). I have been opening with DB but I think I'll go with boots + 3 heals from now on. I will usually get 2-3 DBs, boots (Berserker's), then Zeal and then either IE or BT (liked BT for the sustain but I see now that IE is probably better to get first to get more damage). So the question is: should I finish Zeal into PD before moving on to IE, should I keep doing what I've been doing, or should I skip Zeal and get IE first and then make a PD? This applies to intermediate items in general, should you finish one build at a time or is it sometimes a good idea to make a partial build, move onto another build and then come back to finish it later? Also, reading this guide makes me think I should try getting Wriggles, since nobody ever buys wards in low level games, just to have peace of mind not to get ganked from the river. Outside of Blade stacking, the two trends for AD atm is BF builds or Wriggle's. I only recall seeing PD rushes on Kog and that's because of his W skill. Besides him, I'd recommend you stay with BF if you're ahead in lane. Wriggle's if you got behind. | ||
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SpaceToaster
United States289 Posts
On April 11 2012 10:35 NeoIllusions wrote: Outside of Blade stacking, the two trends for AD atm is BF builds or Wriggle's. I only recall seeing PD rushes on Kog and that's because of his W skill. Besides him, I'd recommend you stay with BF if you're ahead in lane. Wriggle's if you got behind. To clarify a little, safest bet is boots3pot, 2-3 dblades, IE, then PD. That will give you the health and sustain to stick around in lane, and has the smoothest power curve leading into a beastly lategame. PD first is situational on Vayne and Kog'Maw cause of both of their W's, BT is similarly situational, and I like going BT instead of IE on the AD's with really short range like Vayne. I normally get a vampiric scepter after my BF sword for sustain, and just sit on it until lategame, but the timing on that depends on how the lane is going and if you think you need wriggles instead of a doran's stack. Don't just get wriggles for the ward, wards are so cheap they're basically free, the most important part of wriggles over dstack or vamp stick is the armor to mitigate harass. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On April 11 2012 12:21 Goragoth wrote: Thanks for the info NeoIllusions and SpaceToaster. That's quite helpful. Coming from DotA I'm used to only support buying wards but I gather in LoL it is common for all players to buy wards, correct? Support will buy the most wards by far but it is normal for good teams to have multiple ward buyers. | ||
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NationInArms
United States1553 Posts
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Gnabgib
United States381 Posts
On April 11 2012 12:21 Goragoth wrote: Thanks for the info NeoIllusions and SpaceToaster. That's quite helpful. Coming from DotA I'm used to only support buying wards but I gather in LoL it is common for all players to buy wards, correct? If I have 75 gold and a free slot after I head back, I buy a ward, regardless of my role. There's so many places to ward on SR, there's no way the Support can do it on their own. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On April 11 2012 04:38 sob3k wrote: Like I said, I would only go mobility on maybe Twitch/Shaco and Sion, very niche conditional pick so I left them off the list. Mobility on every hero, es numero uno | ||
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seRapH
United States9777 Posts
On April 11 2012 15:01 Terranasaur wrote: I'd like to see a little discussion about when you want to get pieces of different items instead of finishing one item and which pieces to prioritize. Ect. This was a very uncomfortable thing to learn for me while I was leveling up. There's not much to say. It's pretty much almost always the biggest item in the recipe that you want to get first. You rush phage towards tri/mallet, belt in mogs/rylais, etc. Exceptions (off the top of my head) would be negatron and chain vest towards bv and atmas, or gp5 components. Oh and you don't need to finish negatron into fon until really late. + Show Spoiler [don't build these either :<] + ![[image loading]](http://edge2.mobafire.com/images/item/madreds-bloodrazor.gif) ![[image loading]](http://edge2.mobafire.com/images/item/manamune.gif) | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On April 11 2012 13:14 NationInArms wrote: Is there a good Newbie's Guide to LoL here or any other website? I've tried finding a good guide that explains the game, terms, and concepts of LoL, but most of them are either to basic (example: You can buy items at the shop, killing the big building in the corner wins the game) or way to complicated (uses a lot of terms that I don't understand). Is there a guide that explains builds, what categories Champions fall into, what buffs are, etc? I'm really new to LoL and I don't understand the majority of the things I read or hear from casts. x_x There's no Newbie's guide of the kind that you're talking about, at least not to my knowledge. I do know that Neo and co. plan on releasing a series of guides detailing different roles and stuff soon*. If you have specific questions you can always ask in the General Discussion thread or the Simple Answers thread. We're usually pretty good at answering questions. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
you should change the reasoning for wits end vs phantom dancer on ranged ads. its because of crit. has nothing to do with kiting. or else you could say get pd on melees to chase better =/ ranged carries will buy mr in the form of qss. edit: qss would make more sense in the defensive items section instead of support lol. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On April 11 2012 15:01 Terranasaur wrote: I'd like to see a little discussion about when you want to get pieces of different items instead of finishing one item and which pieces to prioritize. Ect. This was a very uncomfortable thing to learn for me while I was leveling up. Pieces of items that are cost efficient are good. Examples would be brutalizer, phage, hexdrinker. Brutalizer is very good/efficient, but you don't usually want to get ghostblade without some tank items first so you don't blow up(generally building glass cannon is bad except for ranged AD carries). Phage is good for the slow proc and extra health in lane, but you don't need it in mallet very quickly because you don't need the extra health that badly, nor does having 100% slow proc help you all too much in lane for what you pay early on. Hexdrinker's another example. You needed some MR to lane, but building the full MoM would mean you blow up in teamfights because of their AD/jungler's physical damage, so you built hexdrinker and then bought a chain vest to build into something else. Also Gp10 items. General rule of thumb is if you are going to get them, do it before 15 minutes. Also delay upgrading them if you can get away with it, because that's the whole point of buying GP10. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On April 11 2012 13:14 NationInArms wrote: Is there a good Newbie's Guide to LoL here or any other website? I've tried finding a good guide that explains the game, terms, and concepts of LoL, but most of them are either to basic (example: You can buy items at the shop, killing the big building in the corner wins the game) or way to complicated (uses a lot of terms that I don't understand). Is there a guide that explains builds, what categories Champions fall into, what buffs are, etc? I'm really new to LoL and I don't understand the majority of the things I read or hear from casts. x_x http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=166096 Somewhat out of date but has a lot of the basics you might be looking for. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 11 2012 12:21 Goragoth wrote: Thanks for the info NeoIllusions and SpaceToaster. That's quite helpful. Coming from DotA I'm used to only support buying wards but I gather in LoL it is common for all players to buy wards, correct? Supports buy almost all the wards in DotA because the number of wards is capped. In LoL everyone buys wards because wards are infinite, and obviously having more wards is better because ward vision is OP as hell. | ||
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