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nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 21 2012 19:01 GMT
#581
On March 22 2012 03:59 Caphe wrote:
TSM just got demolished by CLG.eu. FF after 26 mins. They really need to work on their team co-ordination.


I hate to say it but...

TSM went from being a Top rated NA team to a B rated EU team.

fcgog
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom876 Posts
March 21 2012 19:03 GMT
#582
TSM are so quiet when playing compared to CLG.eu
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
March 21 2012 19:04 GMT
#583
Enjoying TSM being dismantled hahh

TOO never feels like he does anything.. He just farms up his stuff, but he is never ever a threat.

They need a leader, especially in fights. "KILL X". Just look at the M5 coordination skills..

its a sad story, feels like NA in SC2 XD
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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 21 2012 19:06 GMT
#584
On March 22 2012 04:01 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 03:59 Caphe wrote:
TSM just got demolished by CLG.eu. FF after 26 mins. They really need to work on their team co-ordination.


I hate to say it but...

TSM went from being a Top rated NA team to a B rated EU team.


Yeah, but not to this bad. That earlier arguement really brought their morale down. I think they should just stop playing after this bo3, just chill for the rest of the day and get a fresh start tomorrow.
CLG.eu was not playing brilliant at all. Just some very typical ganks and dragon timing and thats enough to pick TSM apart.
Terran
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 19:09:15
March 21 2012 19:07 GMT
#585
On March 21 2012 19:40 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 17:08 UniversalSnip wrote:
On March 21 2012 15:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
can someone teach me the ways of the twisted treeline please...have a tourney coming up


It's pretty simple.

Rule 0) Call the timers. 4 5 6, minor buffs 4 minutes, red 5 minutes, dragon 6 minutes (you can remember this because you already know SR is 5 6 7 buffs dragon baron)

1) You need a jungler. Jungler is more like a roamer that picks up jungle farm and they need to be very durable early because the creeps hit like a fucking truck. Lots of ganks early and often.

2) If you come out behind in the level 1 fight you will lose unless they're completely retarded. If your comp is worse lvl 1 or you're not confident about getting a good engage or they have better summoners for a level 1 fight don't risk it, just sit at towers.

3) Singed is S tier, pick or ban.

4) Most other popular heroes are counterpickable. For example vs tryndamere pick nasus, vs hard engage teams pick nidalee. Counterpicking is very significant.

5) Keep red and dragon warded as soon as possible, pinks are good.

6) Dragon is about as good as baron is in 5s. As soon as somebody is close to wriggles it must be warded all the time, no exceptions and don't send two bot if you risk losing dragon. The best way to win a dragon fight is poke, this is typically how you beat a hard engage comp: someone goes back and buys some pinks and greens, then just go top and poke them down at dragon. They can't leave or you win.

7) Having your lane pushed is better and it doesn't really make you more vulnerable to ganks if you have wards, and only slightly more vulnerable if you don't for some reason. Also if you are pushing your lane the chance of killing someone or forcing them back based on popping a level earlier than them is fairly high. Since the lanes are so long killing someone 1 vs 1 is much more realistic than in 5s.

8) If your tanky guy gets fed oracles is the fastest way to shut the game out. It's a risk but there is no way to win vs a team that keeps an oracles up.

Minor buffs are 3 mins, liz 4, dragon 5...
Also don't pick Nasus. Wither vs trynd isn't enough to justify picking him. There's also an insane amount of op heroes in 3 atm. Shyv, Shen, Shaco, WW, Skarner, Singed, Mundo and Lee Sin. Singed used to be the god of 3v3 but honestly just pick lane dominatora and kiters vs him and you'll be fine. Just teamfight and keep buffs under control and you'll be fine.


er whoops. 3 4 5. It's been a while.

I don't know what people play lately on the map, I find it unlikely that nasus isn't still good as a late pick though. He's better than anyone else at just removing a melee guy from the game while still fighting their other two picks well.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
March 21 2012 19:08 GMT
#586
Can someone explain to me why people run AP quints on Maokai? The explanation I heard was that the 15 AP allowed you to kill wraiths instantly but as far as I can tell you kill wraiths with 3 acorns with or without 15 AP.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
March 21 2012 19:08 GMT
#587
On March 22 2012 04:00 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 03:22 Sandster wrote:
Yeah I meant TOO was great to watch because he talked through his thought process when playing, which helped me learn the jungle from a top-level jungler. He's also hilarious when he talks trash because he doesn't get pissed off, just makes snide remarks about how awful some people are. And beyond that - he openly admits when he screws up.

Then the jungle patch came and I started seeing some gaping holes in his play, and now it's really tough to watch him play because he just isn't as good anymore, and I sure as heck don't want to adopt his style into my jungling.


There are a lot of junglers who were born and bred in the old jungle who have had problems with the new jungle. It's akin to the difference between Super Mario Brothers and Super Mario Brothers 2. They look sort of the same, have the same characters, and even have vaguely similar mechanics, but beyond those shallow comparisons they're entirely different.


My point is that, as a professional player, you take the changes in stride and adapt. Problem is he hasn't been able to successfully do so, and it saddens me because he was a very informative player.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 21 2012 19:11 GMT
#588
You need to send the 3rd sapling so that he lands right when the wraiths spawn, dealing those damage too, and then punch the big wraith once to kill him. With 15 AP, you don't need the punch so you send the 3rd from over the wall, at mid, and gain a few seconds that allow you to be at the blue buff before 1:55. I usually get there around 1:58 (I use MS quints). No biggie, but eh.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 21 2012 19:14 GMT
#589
On March 22 2012 04:00 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 03:22 Sandster wrote:
Yeah I meant TOO was great to watch because he talked through his thought process when playing, which helped me learn the jungle from a top-level jungler. He's also hilarious when he talks trash because he doesn't get pissed off, just makes snide remarks about how awful some people are. And beyond that - he openly admits when he screws up.

Then the jungle patch came and I started seeing some gaping holes in his play, and now it's really tough to watch him play because he just isn't as good anymore, and I sure as heck don't want to adopt his style into my jungling.


There are a lot of junglers who were born and bred in the old jungle who have had problems with the new jungle. It's akin to the difference between Super Mario Brothers and Super Mario Brothers 2. They look sort of the same, have the same characters, and even have vaguely similar mechanics, but beyond those shallow comparisons they're entirely different.

Only TOO is literally THE ONLY jungler who has had this problem. Hell, even you and I adapted better than he did.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
March 21 2012 19:15 GMT
#590
On March 22 2012 03:59 Caphe wrote:
TSM just got demolished by CLG.eu. FF after 26 mins. They really need to work on their team co-ordination.

They need to work on their mid lol, should 4man gank him irl.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
ibreakurface
Profile Joined June 2010
United States664 Posts
March 21 2012 19:19 GMT
#591
On March 22 2012 04:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 04:00 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 03:22 Sandster wrote:
Yeah I meant TOO was great to watch because he talked through his thought process when playing, which helped me learn the jungle from a top-level jungler. He's also hilarious when he talks trash because he doesn't get pissed off, just makes snide remarks about how awful some people are. And beyond that - he openly admits when he screws up.

Then the jungle patch came and I started seeing some gaping holes in his play, and now it's really tough to watch him play because he just isn't as good anymore, and I sure as heck don't want to adopt his style into my jungling.


There are a lot of junglers who were born and bred in the old jungle who have had problems with the new jungle. It's akin to the difference between Super Mario Brothers and Super Mario Brothers 2. They look sort of the same, have the same characters, and even have vaguely similar mechanics, but beyond those shallow comparisons they're entirely different.

Only TOO is literally THE ONLY jungler who has had this problem. Hell, even you and I adapted better than he did.

...

You should read your posts before you submit them.
:) I play zerg. FOX AND KT ROLSTER COASTER FAN! Because I love everyone. Except bisu.
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 19:23:02
March 21 2012 19:21 GMT
#592
I highly suggest EVERYONE from LiquidParty change their league password immediately. Someone has obtained a large amount of PWs for TL people. I'm getting messaged in game by some TL regulars, they're obviously hacked because the messages are in broken english and asking for passwords to "smurf accounts" or other high elo accounts.
MIK Terran
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 19:22:03
March 21 2012 19:21 GMT
#593
edit double post
MIK Terran
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 21 2012 19:23 GMT
#594
On March 22 2012 04:19 ibreakurface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 04:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
On March 22 2012 04:00 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 03:22 Sandster wrote:
Yeah I meant TOO was great to watch because he talked through his thought process when playing, which helped me learn the jungle from a top-level jungler. He's also hilarious when he talks trash because he doesn't get pissed off, just makes snide remarks about how awful some people are. And beyond that - he openly admits when he screws up.

Then the jungle patch came and I started seeing some gaping holes in his play, and now it's really tough to watch him play because he just isn't as good anymore, and I sure as heck don't want to adopt his style into my jungling.


There are a lot of junglers who were born and bred in the old jungle who have had problems with the new jungle. It's akin to the difference between Super Mario Brothers and Super Mario Brothers 2. They look sort of the same, have the same characters, and even have vaguely similar mechanics, but beyond those shallow comparisons they're entirely different.

Only TOO is literally THE ONLY jungler who has had this problem. Hell, even you and I adapted better than he did.

...

You should read your posts before you submit them.

What did I say that was wrong?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 21 2012 19:24 GMT
#595
Wait what? Just liquidparty or TLers in general?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 19:30:26
March 21 2012 19:26 GMT
#596
On March 22 2012 04:24 HazMat wrote:
Wait what? Just liquidparty or TLers in general?

I don't know but I got a text that my account was hacked, logged in immediately and changed all my info. Numbers account is for sure hacked as well as some other people. I also got a message asking something about your account (shakedrizzle) or your smurf or something.
So yeah I would assume it's going around TL. I don't know if he keylogged people or if he is seriously getting people to give up their friend's passwords but obviously since all the accounts I've seen that were hacked are TL people, it's probably a good idea for all of us to change PWs.
I don't have a keylogger but lots of people knew my PW. When I logged in it said my account has been accessed from another location and logged me off, that's when I changed everything.
MIK Terran
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 21 2012 19:30 GMT
#597
On March 22 2012 04:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 04:00 Seuss wrote:
On March 22 2012 03:22 Sandster wrote:
Yeah I meant TOO was great to watch because he talked through his thought process when playing, which helped me learn the jungle from a top-level jungler. He's also hilarious when he talks trash because he doesn't get pissed off, just makes snide remarks about how awful some people are. And beyond that - he openly admits when he screws up.

Then the jungle patch came and I started seeing some gaping holes in his play, and now it's really tough to watch him play because he just isn't as good anymore, and I sure as heck don't want to adopt his style into my jungling.


There are a lot of junglers who were born and bred in the old jungle who have had problems with the new jungle. It's akin to the difference between Super Mario Brothers and Super Mario Brothers 2. They look sort of the same, have the same characters, and even have vaguely similar mechanics, but beyond those shallow comparisons they're entirely different.

Only TOO is literally THE ONLY jungler who has had this problem. Hell, even you and I adapted better than he did.

to be fair, SV was playing a carry-oriented jungling style even before the jungle remake. no clue about the other top junglers. TOO was always played a much more support-style jungler so it'll take longer for him to adapt. I do agree that TOO is taking far far too long to adapt to new jungle, altho I'd imagine it has something to do with how TRM/Regi are so used/need to having a jungle babysitter to do well. It really shows in both TOO and Regi's play. Regi isn't getting nearly the same level of babysit he used to be getting because of the jungle remake, so the flaws in his play are even more apparent now. This creates a vicious cycle between TOO sucking and Regi sucking.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 21 2012 19:31 GMT
#598
On March 22 2012 04:26 Ruken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 04:24 HazMat wrote:
Wait what? Just liquidparty or TLers in general?

I don't know but I got a text that my account was hacked, logged in immediately and changed all my info. Numbers account is for sure hacked as well as some other people. I also got a message asking something about your account (shakedrizzle) or your smurf or something.
So yeah I would assume it's going around TL. I don't know if he keylogged people or if he is seriously getting people to give up their friend's passwords but obviously since all the accounts I've seen that were hacked are TL people, it's probably a good idea for all of us to change PWs.

How would they get this info? I don't understand how they could he getting more than 1 Tl'ers passwords since it's not like we share our info or anything.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2675 Posts
March 21 2012 19:33 GMT
#599
On March 22 2012 04:04 Beyonder wrote:
They need a leader, especially in fights. "KILL X". Just look at the M5 coordination skills..


So true. Have you seen a TSM team fight recently? They're all hitting different targets and killing no one.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 19:36:34
March 21 2012 19:34 GMT
#600
On March 22 2012 04:31 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 04:26 Ruken wrote:
On March 22 2012 04:24 HazMat wrote:
Wait what? Just liquidparty or TLers in general?

I don't know but I got a text that my account was hacked, logged in immediately and changed all my info. Numbers account is for sure hacked as well as some other people. I also got a message asking something about your account (shakedrizzle) or your smurf or something.
So yeah I would assume it's going around TL. I don't know if he keylogged people or if he is seriously getting people to give up their friend's passwords but obviously since all the accounts I've seen that were hacked are TL people, it's probably a good idea for all of us to change PWs.

How would they get this info? I don't understand how they could he getting more than 1 Tl'ers passwords since it's not like we share our info or anything.

Oh well I'm safe. Interested in what happened though.

edit: If you want to hack my smurf just ask for it you nerds. Haven't used it since November.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
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