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While this thread is labeled "DotA2", this is in fact a community thread first. Many of the users in the TL LoL subforum have been playing as friends for over a year now, so it makes logical sense that they would want to play other games together.

Do not compare DotA2 to LoL, you will get banned.

TL LoL veterans know what is expected. Newcomers be warned.

gl hf
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 01:06:01
August 11 2013 01:05 GMT
#821
really confused why Xboct waited until after buyback to use eclipse.

what am I watching I think Navi has just lost their minds
Carrilord has arrived.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
August 11 2013 01:07 GMT
#822
eclipse is better the fewer targets there are. also Alliance is so disciplined as a team... just wow. Navi got so greedy at Roshan.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 11 2013 01:10 GMT
#823
the fight at the mid rax they literally just fed themselves 1 by 1 to Loda it was painful to watch.
Carrilord has arrived.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 11 2013 01:24 GMT
#824
i honestly feel that tongfu or orange have a chance china pls
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 01:48:15
August 11 2013 01:35 GMT
#825
Is Alliance revolutionary in their heavy farm jungle play? I see a lot of other teams with their supports at level 2/3 with no CS when Alliance supports are level 4 with 20 CS. Did Alliance figure out something special with maximizing global gold gain?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 02:05:01
August 11 2013 02:04 GMT
#826
On August 11 2013 10:35 caelym wrote:
Is Alliance revolutionary in their heavy farm jungle play? I see a lot of other teams with their supports at level 2/3 with no CS when Alliance supports are level 4 with 20 CS. Did Alliance figure out something special with maximizing global gold gain?


it's a lot like freezing lane in lol, it gives the other team a lot of map pressure.

I suppose maybe it just seems strong on Alliance because there solos are so dependable.
Carrilord has arrived.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 02:11:02
August 11 2013 02:10 GMT
#827
Mushi with the plays
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
August 11 2013 02:17 GMT
#828
On August 11 2013 11:04 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:35 caelym wrote:
Is Alliance revolutionary in their heavy farm jungle play? I see a lot of other teams with their supports at level 2/3 with no CS when Alliance supports are level 4 with 20 CS. Did Alliance figure out something special with maximizing global gold gain?


it's a lot like freezing lane in lol, it gives the other team a lot of map pressure.

I suppose maybe it just seems strong on Alliance because there solos are so dependable.

I think Naga is core in Alliance's game plan, it's like Janna or Nami in the ability to completely disengage. Naga makes it impossible to dive their base with high ground mechanics. Their weakness is early map presence, and I think Na'Vi really figured something out in game 2 when they got an easy first blood and all outer towers. If they didn't throw at Rosh and didn't have to face Naga, Na'Vi could have easily gotten early barracks.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 02:26:27
August 11 2013 02:23 GMT
#829
They didn't throw at Rosh. By then the game was already lost. Alliance had the items they needed to completely outscale Navi and Navi hadn't managed to get any real damage done. A throw would imply Navi were winning the game at the point the rosh fight happened when in reality it was over by then.

As for revolutionary play, I don't think so. It's just that Akke/EGM have the best support basics out of anyone in the world. There is just no wasted movements by them. Actually really similar to how Meteos jungles. The naga is pretty vital but they don't lose that much map presence with their efficiency in the jungle. You often see EGM getting level 6 before the 8 minute mark.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 11 2013 02:30 GMT
#830
On August 11 2013 11:23 Numy wrote:
As for revolutionary play, I don't think so. It's just that Akke/EGM have the best support basics out of anyone in the world. There is just no wasted movements by them. Actually really similar to how Meteos jungles. The naga is pretty vital but they don't lose that much map presence with their efficiency in the jungle. You often see EGM getting level 6 before the 8 minute mark.

This.

Honestly it's mostly that Alliance's supports execute well and don't waste time. It's not so much that other supports can't farm, but that when they smoke gank/etc. their success rate against Alliance's solos tends to be far lower than the reverse.

Even a single failed smoke gank sets the supports extremely far behind in addition to wasting the value resource of a Smoke. Akke+EGM ensure that they don't waste those haphazardly. They gank what they know they can make work, and otherwise do a very good job of not wasting their time.

If there's a place where Alliance maximizes its efficiency more than other teams, it's at the Ancients.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 11 2013 19:42 GMT
#831
Any chance of seeing the return of Fuun1k clinkz today or is Navi just not interested in offensive tri-lanes?
Carrilord has arrived.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 19:49:44
August 11 2013 19:47 GMT
#832
my noob impression of game 1 picks: Orange has a very mobile and gank oriented comp. Na'Vi is looking to initiate and teamfight.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
August 11 2013 19:59 GMT
#833
it always surprises me how tanky and resilient hard carries are. naix just goes 1v3 and Orange can't just turn on him.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 20:31:12
August 11 2013 20:30 GMT
#834
On August 12 2013 04:59 caelym wrote:
it always surprises me how tanky and resilient hard carries are. naix just goes 1v3 and Orange can't just turn on him.

The hardest carries in Dota 2 tend to be extremely tanky and survivable. It's partially due to how hard defensive stats scale cause of attributes. There's also the issue of magic immunity which basically makes most supports useless for the duration of the immunity.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 20:51:40
August 11 2013 20:51 GMT
#835
game 2: Orange is super heavy on CC and this time has the teamfight comp, but NaVi's Naga is like a direct counter to that. I don't understand why teams don't ban her.

Also Orange really messed up at level 1.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 11 2013 20:52 GMT
#836
The sleep transfer by funn1k was amazing...

And then he did it again?!
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 11 2013 21:04 GMT
#837
this game is hilarious
Carrilord has arrived.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
August 11 2013 21:05 GMT
#838
NaVi won/ Orange lost in the first 2 minutes...
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
August 11 2013 21:29 GMT
#839
On August 12 2013 05:52 kainzero wrote:
The sleep transfer by funn1k was amazing...

And then he did it again?!

Sleep transfer is cute, but it's Leshrac that had miss stun. If he get his stun off on the champ that was originally slept, Navi will have 1 stunned one and 1 slept one, which guarantee a lose.

I don't know why he wanted Leshrac either beside his pushing power, Lion was much superior than Leshrac at connecting cc.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#840
is lion good vs trilanes? dosn't he suck dick till like level 7??
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