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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 09 2012 09:23 GMT
#1901
On March 09 2012 17:26 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
wow, I just bought Yorick and holy shit, he's such a gay-ass champion.


Isn't it beautiful? Spam the skills to last hit and do the pro harrassing.

^_^

Well, let me rephrase... it is beautiful because no one really knows this and you cn abuse him to win any lane you want really.

<_<
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
March 09 2012 09:41 GMT
#1902
On March 09 2012 18:00 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 22:35 rob.au wrote:
On March 08 2012 18:50 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
On March 08 2012 15:18 rob.au wrote:
Most dota/hon players have a misconception of LoL because when they play their first few games they win really easily. This is because Riot actually have a good f2p system where as your account levels up, your hidden elo also goes up, however these dota/hon players do not realize this. In hon at least there is no such thing in their matchmaking, rather you just start at a certain elo, and stay there until you win significantly more games than you've lost or vice versa. This system obviously ends up being flawed since you end up with a combination of smurfs, new players, and veteran casuals, which results in terribly imbalanced games as well as disenchanted players.

As a competitive game LoL is completely fine, all that really matters for a competitive game is that reaching the skill cap is not really achievable. Obviously the difference in skill between the Flash and some rank 1000 BW player is a lot more than the #1 league player vs some 1900, but there is still a difference. This was actually one of the aspects of a competitive game that ArenaNet commented on with regards to the original Guild Wars vs WoW pvp. Whilst a lot of people agree the pvp in GW1 was actually far superior to WoW, it had a harder learning curve and a wider skill gap between teams which they felt made it less enticing for a lot of players. In regards to LoL the point im making is that there is not much of a skill gap between each level of players, and people tend to like that.

In terms of depth, when I play dota or hon it really does feel to me like they do have more depth than LoL. It's hard for me to really give a fair comparison of the two though because there's a lot to do in LoL and it may just feel like there's less depth because I've figured it out more. I am inclined to say they do have more depth than LoL though just because the heroes are more diverse, more risk/reward, objectives are less clear, items are more diverse, and it seems as though this leads to more variety in nearly every aspect of the game. Maybe someone else like Yango can give a better opinion here.

Looking at competitive play I do think LoL is less entertaining and I think most people accept at the top level it really isn't as entertaining as we would like. A lot of games are just so passive, and I think people like Southlight as well as Chu have touched on issues such as how the map is constructed, unlimited wards, junglers etc...In my opinion because of these things LoL is basically stuck how it is now unless Riot make relatively major changes like they did with the jungle. Having said that the game is obviously thriving so it's obviously not the be and end all, I've concluded that since I prefer dota/hon I've just gone to play them rather than campaign for major changes to league.

Just so people know where my point of view comes from I was 1950 on NA season1, was active in SEA LoL tourneys and I'm 1750 post-compression MMR in hon (if that means anything to anyone )


your SEA summoner name, please


Didn't play on SEA server, was on various aussie teams playing in sea esl comps.


-_- 'active in SEA LoL tourneys' zzz

Is there something in my post you want to refute? does it sound like a 1200 elo opinion? do you diagree with it?

Or do you think its misleading to say I play in sea tourneys when they are run by SEA ESL with korean/hong kong/australian team's? Even though the only SEA representitive in an IEM has been from this bracket.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
March 09 2012 10:10 GMT
#1903
On March 09 2012 18:23 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 17:26 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
wow, I just bought Yorick and holy shit, he's such a gay-ass champion.


Isn't it beautiful? Spam the skills to last hit and do the pro harrassing.

^_^

Well, let me rephrase... it is beautiful because no one really knows this and you cn abuse him to win any lane you want really.

<_<


Ugh, I actually feel bad for all the triple kills I got today.
He's actually stupid, I was playing a couple normals and was up against a blitz+urgot lane. Got 3 kills anyways. Hilarious.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
March 09 2012 10:14 GMT
#1904
On March 09 2012 18:23 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 17:26 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
wow, I just bought Yorick and holy shit, he's such a gay-ass champion.


Isn't it beautiful? Spam the skills to last hit and do the pro harrassing.

^_^

Well, let me rephrase... it is beautiful because no one really knows this and you cn abuse him to win any lane you want really.

<_<

Everyone knows yorick is gay and abusive.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
March 09 2012 10:19 GMT
#1905
On March 09 2012 19:14 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 18:23 iCanada wrote:
On March 09 2012 17:26 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
wow, I just bought Yorick and holy shit, he's such a gay-ass champion.


Isn't it beautiful? Spam the skills to last hit and do the pro harrassing.

^_^

Well, let me rephrase... it is beautiful because no one really knows this and you cn abuse him to win any lane you want really.

<_<

Everyone knows yorick is gay and abusive.

This is baseless slander on the gay community.
The legend of Darien lives on
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
March 09 2012 10:21 GMT
#1906
On March 09 2012 19:19 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 19:14 JackDino wrote:
On March 09 2012 18:23 iCanada wrote:
On March 09 2012 17:26 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
wow, I just bought Yorick and holy shit, he's such a gay-ass champion.


Isn't it beautiful? Spam the skills to last hit and do the pro harrassing.

^_^

Well, let me rephrase... it is beautiful because no one really knows this and you cn abuse him to win any lane you want really.

<_<

Everyone knows yorick is gay and abusive.

This is baseless slander on the gay community.

I am actually flattered that we are using gay to explain Yorick.

Gay=Overpowered and cheap. Definitely a compliment to the gay community.

Now...if we call Eve gay on the otherhand...that would be a hate crime.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
March 09 2012 10:25 GMT
#1907
On March 09 2012 18:41 rob.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 18:00 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
On March 08 2012 22:35 rob.au wrote:
On March 08 2012 18:50 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
On March 08 2012 15:18 rob.au wrote:
Most dota/hon players have a misconception of LoL because when they play their first few games they win really easily. This is because Riot actually have a good f2p system where as your account levels up, your hidden elo also goes up, however these dota/hon players do not realize this. In hon at least there is no such thing in their matchmaking, rather you just start at a certain elo, and stay there until you win significantly more games than you've lost or vice versa. This system obviously ends up being flawed since you end up with a combination of smurfs, new players, and veteran casuals, which results in terribly imbalanced games as well as disenchanted players.

As a competitive game LoL is completely fine, all that really matters for a competitive game is that reaching the skill cap is not really achievable. Obviously the difference in skill between the Flash and some rank 1000 BW player is a lot more than the #1 league player vs some 1900, but there is still a difference. This was actually one of the aspects of a competitive game that ArenaNet commented on with regards to the original Guild Wars vs WoW pvp. Whilst a lot of people agree the pvp in GW1 was actually far superior to WoW, it had a harder learning curve and a wider skill gap between teams which they felt made it less enticing for a lot of players. In regards to LoL the point im making is that there is not much of a skill gap between each level of players, and people tend to like that.

In terms of depth, when I play dota or hon it really does feel to me like they do have more depth than LoL. It's hard for me to really give a fair comparison of the two though because there's a lot to do in LoL and it may just feel like there's less depth because I've figured it out more. I am inclined to say they do have more depth than LoL though just because the heroes are more diverse, more risk/reward, objectives are less clear, items are more diverse, and it seems as though this leads to more variety in nearly every aspect of the game. Maybe someone else like Yango can give a better opinion here.

Looking at competitive play I do think LoL is less entertaining and I think most people accept at the top level it really isn't as entertaining as we would like. A lot of games are just so passive, and I think people like Southlight as well as Chu have touched on issues such as how the map is constructed, unlimited wards, junglers etc...In my opinion because of these things LoL is basically stuck how it is now unless Riot make relatively major changes like they did with the jungle. Having said that the game is obviously thriving so it's obviously not the be and end all, I've concluded that since I prefer dota/hon I've just gone to play them rather than campaign for major changes to league.

Just so people know where my point of view comes from I was 1950 on NA season1, was active in SEA LoL tourneys and I'm 1750 post-compression MMR in hon (if that means anything to anyone )


your SEA summoner name, please


Didn't play on SEA server, was on various aussie teams playing in sea esl comps.


-_- 'active in SEA LoL tourneys' zzz

Is there something in my post you want to refute? does it sound like a 1200 elo opinion? do you diagree with it?

Or do you think its misleading to say I play in sea tourneys when they are run by SEA ESL with korean/hong kong/australian team's? Even though the only SEA representitive in an IEM has been from this bracket.


SEA = south east asia

does not typically include korea/HK/australia by definition

the only SEA rep in an IEM was Flash, who by definition, was an actual SEA team

a lil misleading, but more of disappoinment....i thought you were some pro i never knew existed
cool beans
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 09 2012 10:26 GMT
#1908
On March 09 2012 19:14 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 18:23 iCanada wrote:
On March 09 2012 17:26 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
wow, I just bought Yorick and holy shit, he's such a gay-ass champion.


Isn't it beautiful? Spam the skills to last hit and do the pro harrassing.

^_^

Well, let me rephrase... it is beautiful because no one really knows this and you cn abuse him to win any lane you want really.

<_<

Everyone knows yorick is gay and abusive.


Okay, maybe it is less of an ignorance and more of a no one plays Yorick for whatever reason.

Still... <3 Yorick.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
March 09 2012 10:35 GMT
#1909
On March 09 2012 19:26 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 19:14 JackDino wrote:
On March 09 2012 18:23 iCanada wrote:
On March 09 2012 17:26 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
wow, I just bought Yorick and holy shit, he's such a gay-ass champion.


Isn't it beautiful? Spam the skills to last hit and do the pro harrassing.

^_^

Well, let me rephrase... it is beautiful because no one really knows this and you cn abuse him to win any lane you want really.

<_<

Everyone knows yorick is gay and abusive.


Okay, maybe it is less of an ignorance and more of a no one plays Yorick for whatever reason.

Still... <3 Yorick.

Simply put, most people find him boring as fuck. There's not much depth to the way he's played (PRESS E ALL DAY ALWAYS SUSTAIN NEVER GO BELOW 80% HUEHUE), he doesn't deal huge amounts of damage, you don't feel like you outplayed your opponent whenever you win your lane, at least I don't. I can see why people like him (because after all, winning is pretty fun), but personally, I'd rather fight an uphill battle before resorting to play Yorick. I always have this ''uuugggh'' feeling when I'm against him and I really don't need others to feel that miserably.
currently rooting for myself.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 09 2012 10:42 GMT
#1910
On March 09 2012 19:35 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 19:26 iCanada wrote:
On March 09 2012 19:14 JackDino wrote:
On March 09 2012 18:23 iCanada wrote:
On March 09 2012 17:26 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
wow, I just bought Yorick and holy shit, he's such a gay-ass champion.


Isn't it beautiful? Spam the skills to last hit and do the pro harrassing.

^_^

Well, let me rephrase... it is beautiful because no one really knows this and you cn abuse him to win any lane you want really.

<_<

Everyone knows yorick is gay and abusive.


Okay, maybe it is less of an ignorance and more of a no one plays Yorick for whatever reason.

Still... <3 Yorick.

Simply put, most people find him boring as fuck. There's not much depth to the way he's played (PRESS E ALL DAY ALWAYS SUSTAIN NEVER GO BELOW 80% HUEHUE), he doesn't deal huge amounts of damage, you don't feel like you outplayed your opponent whenever you win your lane, at least I don't. I can see why people like him (because after all, winning is pretty fun), but personally, I'd rather fight an uphill battle before resorting to play Yorick. I always have this ''uuugggh'' feeling when I'm against him and I really don't need others to feel that miserably.


Yeah, I can agree with that. Yorick is a strong champion, but imo he is kind of a boring champion all around in terms of design. He is fairly easy to play, he just kind of wins lanes every time...

I think he could use a redesign in that regard. Maybe make him have perma ghouls you can control with gameplay kind of like a Chen from DotA.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 10:47:13
March 09 2012 10:46 GMT
#1911
I like to play League of Legends and this is not a ninja edit.
Retvrn to Forvms
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 09 2012 10:48 GMT
#1912
Kind of off topic but why is everyone saying yorick can't lose lanes?That is simply WRONG.Do you REALLY think he wouldn't be played if it was true?Before you say he is boring or w/e remember pros are there to win.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
March 09 2012 10:51 GMT
#1913
On March 09 2012 19:48 nafta wrote:
Kind of off topic but why is everyone saying yorick can't lose lanes?That is simply WRONG.Do you REALLY think he wouldn't be played if it was true?Before you say he is boring or w/e remember pros are there to win.

D'oh.
Do you seriously think anyone would ever say that?
Yorick is really strong and, almost more importantly, insanely annoying. Annoyed opponents make mistakes. Obviously, even Yorick loses some matchups, but he's a great pick against the majority of common tops and even if he doesn't flat out win the lane, he generally can sustain well enough to turn the lane into a farmfest. Not exactly what you want as Yorick, but it's better than straight up losing, something that happens to a lot of laners in certain matchups.
currently rooting for myself.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 09 2012 10:56 GMT
#1914
On March 09 2012 19:48 nafta wrote:
Kind of off topic but why is everyone saying yorick can't lose lanes?That is simply WRONG.Do you REALLY think he wouldn't be played if it was true?Before you say he is boring or w/e remember pros are there to win.


Of course he can lose lanes... The reason everyone says he just wins lanes is because no one really counters him, he has great range, great sustain, and great harrass. It is hard to just force trades with him, and even if you do he usually can just heal it all back even if it does happen.

It isn't that he doesn't lose lanes, it is that in most match ups he needs to get outplayed to lose.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
March 09 2012 11:03 GMT
#1915
Nobody beats Yorick in lane if Yorick is competent after the removal of crit mastery. Junglers are gamechangers, though.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 11:06:46
March 09 2012 11:04 GMT
#1916
On March 09 2012 19:56 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 19:48 nafta wrote:
Kind of off topic but why is everyone saying yorick can't lose lanes?That is simply WRONG.Do you REALLY think he wouldn't be played if it was true?Before you say he is boring or w/e remember pros are there to win.


Of course he can lose lanes... The reason everyone says he just wins lanes is because no one really counters him, he has great range, great sustain, and great harrass. It is hard to just force trades with him, and even if you do he usually can just heal it all back even if it does happen.

It isn't that he doesn't lose lanes, it is that in most match ups he needs to get outplayed to lose.

Irelia/Riven/Udyr beat him easily.And only udyr doesn't scale as hard as him.Even jarman should beat him if you have a good jungler.Forgot about tryndamere.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
March 09 2012 11:09 GMT
#1917
On March 09 2012 20:04 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 19:56 iCanada wrote:
On March 09 2012 19:48 nafta wrote:
Kind of off topic but why is everyone saying yorick can't lose lanes?That is simply WRONG.Do you REALLY think he wouldn't be played if it was true?Before you say he is boring or w/e remember pros are there to win.


Of course he can lose lanes... The reason everyone says he just wins lanes is because no one really counters him, he has great range, great sustain, and great harrass. It is hard to just force trades with him, and even if you do he usually can just heal it all back even if it does happen.

It isn't that he doesn't lose lanes, it is that in most match ups he needs to get outplayed to lose.

Irelia/Riven/Udyr beat him easily.And only udyr doesn't scale as hard as him.Even jarman should beat him if you have a good jungler.Forgot about tryndamere.

They beat Yorick if you let them engage on you. No reason to do that if you know you're behind after the exchange.
currently rooting for myself.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
March 09 2012 12:41 GMT
#1918
On March 09 2012 20:03 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Nobody beats Yorick in lane if Yorick is competent after the removal of crit mastery. Junglers are gamechangers, though.

I beat a Yorick with shen today. QW to victory. I think he was just expecting to win easily, he kept pushing really hard but shen can farm really well under turret and then taunt harass usually let me come out ahead.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17269 Posts
March 09 2012 12:50 GMT
#1919
Taunt harass...? As in taunting someone under tower?
twitch.tv/cratonz
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
March 09 2012 13:20 GMT
#1920
Why would he walk that close to you? Can he not just spam his ghouls... Isn't that the entire point of Yorick? Ghouls outrange everything?
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