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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
March 09 2012 06:04 GMT
#1881
Probably not, but still, that post was hardly up to acceptable standards. Just straight up flaming with caps.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
March 09 2012 06:10 GMT
#1882
I'm trying to learning support, are there any general guides for support players? What runes, builds, key items (besides wards)?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
March 09 2012 06:15 GMT
#1883
On March 09 2012 15:10 nosliw wrote:
I'm trying to learning support, are there any general guides for support players? What runes, builds, key items (besides wards)?


Have you seen this guide yet?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279214
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 09 2012 06:20 GMT
#1884
On March 09 2012 15:10 nosliw wrote:
I'm trying to learning support, are there any general guides for support players? What runes, builds, key items (besides wards)?


I play lots of AD carry. When my friends play Alistar, Janna, or Leona I love them because they can keep me safe all game long in ways that Soraka/Sona can't. Although honestly Soraka/Sona are stupidly easy to play and both are extremely good. I like to play really aggressive though so having a support that can CC people off me is pretty fantastic.
Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 06:23:49
March 09 2012 06:21 GMT
#1885
On March 09 2012 15:10 nosliw wrote:
I'm trying to learning support, are there any general guides for support players? What runes, builds, key items (besides wards)?


Fuzzy's Guide (Bot Lane):

1) Practice CSing safely when your carry is out of lane. It'll happen, and that bonus gold leads to more wards and faster GP5. See rule #4 as to why safety is required.
2) Maintain as much vision as possible, whether by wards or positioning. Get used to scanning the minimap like it was your rearview mirror.
3) Each support is slightly different as to how to play and what they can do for a lane, fight, poke, sustain etc. People have their preferences, so try to ask. Or play Soraka. 0 effort, 100% efficient.
Most Important:
4) Use your vision to secure kills. Their support/Carry left and jungle is not in your river/mid is mid? Use that 2v1 to force a summoner spell, zone, or more often than not, a kill.

Also, just because:

5) Sometimes a carry will fail you. Sometimes you'll fail a carry. Support and carry working in Tandem is in the Meta for a reason, but it won't be perfect. Just relax, keep at it, and next game will be better.
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 06:23:32
March 09 2012 06:22 GMT
#1886
On March 09 2012 15:10 nosliw wrote:
I'm trying to learning support, are there any general guides for support players? What runes, builds, key items (besides wards)?


Just look up guides on solomid.

Basically all you need to know is:

-Dont take CS unless noone is around and its gonna get wasted.
-Open fairy charm and wards+pots
-Buy GP10 items, almost always philo stone, much of the time Heart of Gold, rarely Kages Lucky pick
-Buy Aura items, always shurelyas, then some combo of Zekes/Aegis/Locket/Soul Shroud/etc
-Always buy more wards
-Ping things of consequence on the minimap, others may not notice, never hurts to be warned of a gank
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
March 09 2012 06:27 GMT
#1887
And regi pretty much confirms what it looks like from streams, they just aren't putting the "team" into team house. Solo Q mentality wrecking them, hope they really sit down and talk about shit after they get back.
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 07:00:51
March 09 2012 06:39 GMT
#1888
How do you guys think gp10 boots would work out in LoL? Good for supports and not too strong on everyone else with no offensive/defensive potential, balanced for price of course (maybe boots 1 + 500ish?).
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 09 2012 06:48 GMT
#1889
On March 09 2012 15:39 beefhamburger wrote:
How do you guys think gp10 boots would work out in LoL? Good for supports and not too strong on everyone else with no offensive/defensive potential, balanced for price of course (maybe 500ish?).


Uh. I think those boots sound pretty good on everyone. Dunno if it'd be better than Zerkers/Mercs but there are games as a jungler, solo top, or AD carry where I'd strongly consider buying gp/10 boots especially if they were only 500 gold. That's really cheap. Sorc shoes are way too good to pass up on AP carry though imo.
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 07:02:08
March 09 2012 06:57 GMT
#1890
I can't see AD carries getting them over bgreaves though. The AS is just too good without taking up an extra slot. And without merc treads, tanks might be too weak to CC. And if you sold them to rebuy other boots, you'd have to rebuy boots 1 themselves, lowering the rebuy efficiency costs. I don't know, just theorycrafting new items that could change up the game.
What if they were 750-850ish, on par with greaves, merc treads and sorc boots? I feel then it'd be too high for supports to want them most of the time.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
March 09 2012 06:58 GMT
#1891
On March 09 2012 15:48 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 15:39 beefhamburger wrote:
How do you guys think gp10 boots would work out in LoL? Good for supports and not too strong on everyone else with no offensive/defensive potential, balanced for price of course (maybe 500ish?).


Uh. I think those boots sound pretty good on everyone. Dunno if it'd be better than Zerkers/Mercs but there are games as a jungler, solo top, or AD carry where I'd strongly consider buying gp/10 boots especially if they were only 500 gold. That's really cheap. Sorc shoes are way too good to pass up on AP carry though imo.


You mean a 500 gold upgrade from boots1, so 850 total, right?
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 07:00:29
March 09 2012 07:00 GMT
#1892
On March 09 2012 15:58 Terranasaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 15:48 overt wrote:
On March 09 2012 15:39 beefhamburger wrote:
How do you guys think gp10 boots would work out in LoL? Good for supports and not too strong on everyone else with no offensive/defensive potential, balanced for price of course (maybe 500ish?).


Uh. I think those boots sound pretty good on everyone. Dunno if it'd be better than Zerkers/Mercs but there are games as a jungler, solo top, or AD carry where I'd strongly consider buying gp/10 boots especially if they were only 500 gold. That's really cheap. Sorc shoes are way too good to pass up on AP carry though imo.


You mean a 500 gold upgrade from boots1, so 850 total, right?

Yeah, similar to tabi. I guess I should have made that more clear =P.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 07:11:07
March 09 2012 07:10 GMT
#1893
On March 09 2012 15:58 Terranasaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 15:48 overt wrote:
On March 09 2012 15:39 beefhamburger wrote:
How do you guys think gp10 boots would work out in LoL? Good for supports and not too strong on everyone else with no offensive/defensive potential, balanced for price of course (maybe 500ish?).


Uh. I think those boots sound pretty good on everyone. Dunno if it'd be better than Zerkers/Mercs but there are games as a jungler, solo top, or AD carry where I'd strongly consider buying gp/10 boots especially if they were only 500 gold. That's really cheap. Sorc shoes are way too good to pass up on AP carry though imo.


You mean a 500 gold upgrade from boots1, so 850 total, right?


Yes but 500 gold upgrade is really cheap when compared to Mercs or Sorcs and even cheaper than Zerkers. I think not getting mercs as jungler or top laner and instead getting gp/10 boots would depend on how much CC the enemy team has. As for zerkers on AD carry, yeah the AS is good but getting gp/10 built into something you're going to buy anyways that you won't have to sell until super late game sounds really nice. It'd be amazing to get gp/10 stuff on AD carry already but you usually need that IE/PD asap so having free gp/10 attached to boots sounds pretty broken especially if it's cheaper than any other boot options.

If you made them 750/850 upgrade then I don't even think supports would buy them.

I only slightly touched on this but if you got gp/10 boots as an AD carry you wouldn't sell those for zerkers until super late game and at that point gold wouldn't even be an issue. Not to mention they'd definitely pay for themself if it was only a 500 gold upgrade. They're barely more expensive than philo stone...
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 09 2012 07:17 GMT
#1894
I would definitely buy gp10 boots if I could assuming it's around a 500 upgrade to keep it in line with the other gp10's. Double(boots+philo) or triple(hog) without gimping item slots feels so good. Also even after you upgrade other gp10's, you still have a GP10 item bringing money in for wards.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
March 09 2012 07:21 GMT
#1895
On March 09 2012 16:10 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 15:58 Terranasaur wrote:
On March 09 2012 15:48 overt wrote:
On March 09 2012 15:39 beefhamburger wrote:
How do you guys think gp10 boots would work out in LoL? Good for supports and not too strong on everyone else with no offensive/defensive potential, balanced for price of course (maybe 500ish?).


Uh. I think those boots sound pretty good on everyone. Dunno if it'd be better than Zerkers/Mercs but there are games as a jungler, solo top, or AD carry where I'd strongly consider buying gp/10 boots especially if they were only 500 gold. That's really cheap. Sorc shoes are way too good to pass up on AP carry though imo.


You mean a 500 gold upgrade from boots1, so 850 total, right?


Yes but 500 gold upgrade is really cheap when compared to Mercs or Sorcs and even cheaper than Zerkers. I think not getting mercs as jungler or top laner and instead getting gp/10 boots would depend on how much CC the enemy team has. As for zerkers on AD carry, yeah the AS is good but getting gp/10 built into something you're going to buy anyways that you won't have to sell until super late game sounds really nice. It'd be amazing to get gp/10 stuff on AD carry already but you usually need that IE/PD asap so having free gp/10 attached to boots sounds pretty broken especially if it's cheaper than any other boot options.

If you made them 750/850 upgrade then I don't even think supports would buy them.

I only slightly touched on this but if you got gp/10 boots as an AD carry you wouldn't sell those for zerkers until super late game and at that point gold wouldn't even be an issue. Not to mention they'd definitely pay for themself if it was only a 500 gold upgrade. They're barely more expensive than philo stone...


Ya. I agree with you. At 850 total they are a slam dunk, almost to the point of being broken. At ~1200 they're a pass.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
March 09 2012 07:23 GMT
#1896
Then middle ground at 1000? Then it could be to preference, which is always good.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
March 09 2012 08:26 GMT
#1897
wow, I just bought Yorick and holy shit, he's such a gay-ass champion.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 09 2012 08:33 GMT
#1898
the way gp10 restricts support builds without adding any fun gameplay is already kinda lame, gp10 boots just sounds depressing. If anything I'd look at ways to get less gp10 into the game.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
March 09 2012 09:00 GMT
#1899
On March 08 2012 22:35 rob.au wrote:
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On March 08 2012 18:50 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
On March 08 2012 15:18 rob.au wrote:
Most dota/hon players have a misconception of LoL because when they play their first few games they win really easily. This is because Riot actually have a good f2p system where as your account levels up, your hidden elo also goes up, however these dota/hon players do not realize this. In hon at least there is no such thing in their matchmaking, rather you just start at a certain elo, and stay there until you win significantly more games than you've lost or vice versa. This system obviously ends up being flawed since you end up with a combination of smurfs, new players, and veteran casuals, which results in terribly imbalanced games as well as disenchanted players.

As a competitive game LoL is completely fine, all that really matters for a competitive game is that reaching the skill cap is not really achievable. Obviously the difference in skill between the Flash and some rank 1000 BW player is a lot more than the #1 league player vs some 1900, but there is still a difference. This was actually one of the aspects of a competitive game that ArenaNet commented on with regards to the original Guild Wars vs WoW pvp. Whilst a lot of people agree the pvp in GW1 was actually far superior to WoW, it had a harder learning curve and a wider skill gap between teams which they felt made it less enticing for a lot of players. In regards to LoL the point im making is that there is not much of a skill gap between each level of players, and people tend to like that.

In terms of depth, when I play dota or hon it really does feel to me like they do have more depth than LoL. It's hard for me to really give a fair comparison of the two though because there's a lot to do in LoL and it may just feel like there's less depth because I've figured it out more. I am inclined to say they do have more depth than LoL though just because the heroes are more diverse, more risk/reward, objectives are less clear, items are more diverse, and it seems as though this leads to more variety in nearly every aspect of the game. Maybe someone else like Yango can give a better opinion here.

Looking at competitive play I do think LoL is less entertaining and I think most people accept at the top level it really isn't as entertaining as we would like. A lot of games are just so passive, and I think people like Southlight as well as Chu have touched on issues such as how the map is constructed, unlimited wards, junglers etc...In my opinion because of these things LoL is basically stuck how it is now unless Riot make relatively major changes like they did with the jungle. Having said that the game is obviously thriving so it's obviously not the be and end all, I've concluded that since I prefer dota/hon I've just gone to play them rather than campaign for major changes to league.

Just so people know where my point of view comes from I was 1950 on NA season1, was active in SEA LoL tourneys and I'm 1750 post-compression MMR in hon (if that means anything to anyone )


your SEA summoner name, please


Didn't play on SEA server, was on various aussie teams playing in sea esl comps.


-_- 'active in SEA LoL tourneys' zzz
cool beans
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 09:00:34
March 09 2012 09:00 GMT
#1900


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