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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 09 2012 07:35 JBright wrote: Finally! I've always wanted to see something like this but I don't have the drive to get something started. Awesome. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On March 09 2012 07:35 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: That's very impressive considering that a lot of the masteries apply at weird times in damage calculations. Curious, why lvl 10? edit: they're not that weird anymore. Maybe that was just for season 1. I took level 10 because its sorta a middle of the road level. I don't play enough AD to know when you'd be able to get it. Only thing that would change is the damage from leveling up and the .5 per level from masteries. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Melee heroes often only need wits to boost their damage, not to mention the BR cost point is prohibitive for jungle. | ||
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koreasilver
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deskscaress
United States399 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:30 UniversalSnip wrote: bloodrazor still sucks balls. 900 gold for the on hit. Wits end is 180 gold for the on hit with full stacks. You need to be hitting someone with like 5k hp before you get as much on hit damage per gold piece from razors as wits. i don't know, i think i've made a pretty convincing case for it being alright on udyr. gonna do some testing now | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:35 Two_DoWn wrote: Main problem I have with Bloodrazor is that it doesnt scale with anything. Damage+crit+As is just better than pure as on every ranged hero. Melee heroes often only need wits to boost their damage, not to mention the BR cost point is prohibitive for jungle. It scales with the opponent's health. That makes it niche, but not necessarily bad item. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:44 spinesheath wrote: Well, Dragon/Baron could become less rewarding if you pick it up several times in succession, much like kill rewards on champions. If that really is a problem. that'd make getting them really a moot point after a certain point though. getting like 40g for risking dragon seems kinda stupid. same with baron | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:40 petered wrote: It scales with the opponent's health. That makes it niche, but not necessarily bad item. It descales with enemy mr though. And anyone with a decent health pool is going to throw some type of mr on. And unless you are fizz, you arent going to be getting BR and Mpen. On March 09 2012 10:43 arb wrote: that'd make getting them really a moot point after a certain point though. getting like 40g for risking dragon seems kinda stupid. same with baron Im not sure that is the answer. It still doesnt actually solve the problem: how do you get the game to not stagnate at the 30 minute mark. Most of the time that is the point where this whole dance around baron actually starts. The main problem is atm you just have a situation where you lose the game by giving up baron to go do other stuff around the map, but you lose the game if you go for baron and get aced. So there is no right answer. I actually think Dota has it right after playing and watching a bunch of games- their version drops a single item that functions like a GA that restores you to full health and mana. But it is only a single champion. The gold gain is good, but the actual reward isnt as gamebreaking as the aura is currently, which basically wins the game at a competitive level due to the pushing power (and the slight stat boost). Now, I dont think that Riot would ever change to something like that cuz they have a hard on for auras, but then that leaves the question of how to solve the problem. One way could be to completely remove one part of the aura- either the regen or the damage boost so that there is still some form of counterplay with baron- ie if they keep regen the non baron team can force a fight, or if they keep the damage boost the non baron team can defend. The other option is to make baron so beefy that he takes a good 20 seconds to kill, even with all 5 members of a team there. That way it isnt as punishing for a team to go try to push other lanes simply because there is time to get back. At the same time they could REALLY reduce the damage that baron did, to the point that it barely even hurts champions and the TIME becomes the limiting factor on baron, not the actual damage. That way if a team actually chooses to go for baron, they arent punished for taking the initiative. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
would you guys be interested in this? and does anybody know any good video making tutorials? For instance, for the first 1-2 videos i think i could probably get away without using any real video footage, but i would love to learn how to manipulate footage (like focus onto one champ in a teamfight with a black circle effect where everything but the target is in a slight shade of black) and compile it with audio and text commentary etc. i have no video manipulation experience whatsoever but enough interest to try this out | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:37 koreasilver wrote: What are some champions picks that actually do decently against Yorick? The only good results I've had so far were with Udyr, but I feel like there has to be some more that I'm missing due to not having the chance to try them, or from just complete overlooking. according to smash xin shits on yorick. i would imagine fiora does ok too. | ||
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danana
United States321 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:47 Navi wrote: at the request of some of my friends i've been thinking about making a youtube series on teamfighting in league (its a really big topic and most of the 1-2-3 builds and guides wouldn't be able to cover it in enough depth imo) and maybe other topics if there is additional interest afterwards would you guys be interested in this? personally i'd find this REALLY helpful! i think that's one of the biggest problems i have, and i've had some questions i've considered asking here but i think a video would be a much clearer way of addressing issues like positioning. and on yorick: - i'm pretty sure someone mentioned in a gd thread a long time ago that maokai was a good counter (or at least a safe pick) because yorick ghoul spam will give maokai lots of healing on passive... it makes sense but i have no experience laning as either. also how would chogath work? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:49 turdburgler wrote: according to smash xin shits on yorick. i would imagine fiora does ok too. Xin Zhao actually, I remember playing 1 game vs a Yorick as Xin ages ago, I remember doing actually pretty well. At least I don't have a nightmare of ghouls killing me. Though rather I or the Yorick player where anygood at all at the time is most likely not the case. I'd love to see Team Fight guides personally. I always feel kind of out of position or not in the fight as Ad carries(when I do dabble) and I'd be interested in seeing how such things are handled as trying to watch games of such is pretty rough to do with all the action/stuff going on. So include slow motions for such things! | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:52 deskscaress wrote: yeah i agree, but on the right champs (i.e. wit's magic damage proc pales compared to 40 AD on tiger stance hits) or against the right opponents (the MR on wit's useless compared to the armor from madred's against panth) it's an item that now gives pretty dang good base stats and a damage component that's going to scale all game. definitely not a core item on anyone but i really think it's viable again. On March 09 2012 10:40 deskscaress wrote: i don't know, i think i've made a pretty convincing case for it being alright on udyr. gonna do some testing now just build wriggles or wits or both. if you want ad you can even go wits and spend the 2k you save on a brutalizer or a wriggles or something | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:37 koreasilver wrote: What are some champions picks that actually do decently against Yorick? The only good results I've had so far were with Udyr, but I feel like there has to be some more that I'm missing due to not having the chance to try them, or from just complete overlooking. Riven. EW ghouls = no harass. Full combo = big damage. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:47 Navi wrote: at the request of some of my friends i've been thinking about making a youtube series on teamfighting in league (its a really big topic and most of the 1-2-3 builds and guides wouldn't be able to cover it in enough depth imo) and maybe other topics if there is additional interest afterwards would you guys be interested in this? and does anybody know any good video making tutorials? For instance, for the first 1-2 videos i think i could probably get away without using any real video footage, but i would love to learn how to manipulate footage (like focus onto one champ in a teamfight with a black circle effect where everything but the target is in a slight shade of black) and compile it with audio and text commentary etc. i have no video manipulation experience whatsoever but enough interest to try this out I'd be interested too. And holy hell, I had a fed Skarner in the previous game (smurf pre-30, tried my first jungle WW myself), once warmogs completed he had something like 3600 HP, and hit me for almost 100 damage through my 200 armor. Had the "pleasure" to get jumped by him while on red buff, he managed to steal it, get a phage proc and then Q'd me. I don't think I even felt so slow while under the effect of wither. I had almost my full WW build (mercs, wriggles, wit's, randuin's, shroud, working on FH/FoN) but still couldn't do a thing against him other than maybe survive more than 10 seconds. Was it too much armor and not enough MRes (with glass cannon GP and Fiora fed two on our team, I couldn't skip armor either)? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Rosh just isn't that huge in DotA. Towers are also worth more because of how they can be TP targets. So while its true that part of the overall map freedom comes from having TPs, it's also important to note that lategame, many teams don't feel bad about trading 1-2 towers for Roshan. It's just impossible to sensibly make those kinds of trades in LoL atm. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Even if they made baron stronger either with it doing more damage or making it harder to take down, the strength of the buff is still so high that there's really no reason for a team to do anything but camp baron lategame. this also makes champions with teleport/teleportation skills like shen/tf/pantheon ridiculously hard to deal with since they can just push the opposite side of the map, while the defending team has no choice but to either give up baron or let them splitpush. | ||
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