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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
March 04 2012 12:28 GMT
#1021
On March 04 2012 20:15 Slayer91 wrote:
Somebody call sirjolt and get the david attenbourugh ready!


What who why where.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
March 04 2012 12:43 GMT
#1022
Why would some people say progamers make no money currently/won't make much money in the future? They probably make more that the person who said that and can use their connections to get jobs in the gaming industry (casting, game design, etc) or can choose to go to college with a fat bank account... e.e really...wth?
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-04 13:09:41
March 04 2012 13:05 GMT
#1023
Being good at a game has very little correlation to being good at designing a game. Being an actual paid professional gamer wouldn't hurt your chances, but you're still going to need all of the required knowledge and (more importantly) hands-on experience, especially in the game-design field. I can't imagine a development team wanting someone who lacked knowledge/experience just because they were good at one game.

The average professional gamer doesn't make much money. There are always some who are very well paid (Jaedong, Flash) and those who probably make a lot (HotshotGG), but there's a pretty big gap between the well-paid minority and the typical player, especially given how many players there are competing at tournaments. How much money do you think someone on EG makes in a year? I doubt it's very much. Low end teams have little to no salary from their sponsors and only win (or place into the money) in a handful of tournaments.

You could play for a few years and then go to college afterwards, but at that point your gaming experience has almost no value and not much relationship to your future income. It will be your education and new career that's making the money, not the professional gamer. Moreover, your professional gamer status will be 4+ years old by the time you start looking for serious work (e.g. more than an internship).

Simply put, the average progamer doesn't make much money and the title of professional gamer is more of an interesting footnote that might get you in the door for an interview than anything. The best you can hope for is probably meeting someone big in the industry when you're competing at an event and then using that as a stepping stone later on. The problem is you can't sit around for half a decade between meeting them and trying to get a job.

The smartest players are the ones who are either getting an education while competing or building a business out of their status that they can continue it once they stop playing.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
March 04 2012 13:14 GMT
#1024
To be able to speak a little bit in the Annie discussion I just tried her out. Went kinda even in lane and couldn't pull out any succesful ganks.

I went into patient mode, ennemy team got 2 nashors, but I farmed up to my Raba after my RoA. Never fought without flash and ignite. We won with clutch ults \o/
Late game she just is incredibly strong. You have to be very patient in teamfights, but if you can keep your ult for the carry and flash ult ignite full combo him after a few CDs then move around (since usually the carry was in the back) spamming Q with Tibers dealing massive AoE... It's golden.
The legend of Darien lives on
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 04 2012 13:19 GMT
#1025
On March 04 2012 21:28 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 20:15 Slayer91 wrote:
Somebody call sirjolt and get the david attenbourugh ready!


What who why where.


I mean the REAL david attenbourugh not the LoL version.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
March 04 2012 13:20 GMT
#1026
The smartest players are the ones who are either getting an education while competing or building a business out of their status that they can continue it once they stop playing.


Nada? I think his shop is good example. People who don't believe that pro gamers don't get a lot of money have to think, 'where does the money come from?'. From tournaments (50-250 dollars for most weekly tourneys I think.) and sponsorship. Do you really think that sponsors would pour money over your head just because you're good at SC2/LOL? Yeah right.

Oh yeah, Fiora patch... It's OK. People are still figuring out Fiora, but she seems pretty damn good. Some people said you can kite her, but she's too fast starting midgame.

Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure her ultimate should expect a nerf soon. What kind of an AD champ does 1700 damage with an ult? Stupid.

and those who probably make a lot (HotshotGG)


I'm pretty sure that all the big streamers of LOL make quite a considerable amount of money from ads. 2000-12,000 streamers is a huge amount of revenue.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-04 13:36:41
March 04 2012 13:34 GMT
#1027
On March 04 2012 22:20 DarkCore wrote:
I'm pretty sure that all the big streamers of LOL make quite a considerable amount of money from ads. 2000-12,000 streamers is a huge amount of revenue.

Generally when doing these calculations, you need to account for ad-block. I believe the figure Twitch gives to its partners for estimation purposes is 50%+.

On March 04 2012 22:19 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 21:28 r.Evo wrote:
On March 04 2012 20:15 Slayer91 wrote:
Somebody call sirjolt and get the david attenbourugh ready!


What who why where.


I mean the REAL david attenbourugh not the LoL version.

Watch, as SaintVicious turns his head in his sleep. *pause* It seems as though, even in his sleep top tier junglers are haunted by the river ward.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 04 2012 13:35 GMT
#1028
On March 04 2012 22:20 DarkCore wrote:
Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure her ultimate should expect a nerf soon. What kind of an AD champ does 1700 damage with an ult? Stupid.

Fiora: Max: 2125 + 5.1 AD spread over 4 targets, 1000 + 2.4 AD on 1 target
Corki: 7 Rockets, including 2 big ones: 1880 + 1.4 AD + 2.1 AP per target.
Ezreal: 650 + 1.0 AD + 0.9 AP per target, slightly decreasing per target.
Kog'Maw: 400 +0.5 AD + 0.3 AP per target and shot, 1 second cooldown.
MF: Max: 1000 + 3.6 AD + 1.6 AP per target.

Each of those can deal a good 2000 damage with their ults. Ok, it's magic damage. But Fiora is melee.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 04 2012 13:44 GMT
#1029
On March 04 2012 22:35 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 22:20 DarkCore wrote:
Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure her ultimate should expect a nerf soon. What kind of an AD champ does 1700 damage with an ult? Stupid.

Fiora: Max: 2125 + 5.1 AD spread over 4 targets, 1000 + 2.4 AD on 1 target
Corki: 7 Rockets, including 2 big ones: 1880 + 1.4 AD + 2.1 AP per target.
Ezreal: 650 + 1.0 AD + 0.9 AP per target, slightly decreasing per target.
Kog'Maw: 400 +0.5 AD + 0.3 AP per target and shot, 1 second cooldown.
MF: Max: 1000 + 3.6 AD + 1.6 AP per target.

Each of those can deal a good 2000 damage with their ults. Ok, it's magic damage. But Fiora is melee.


You can avoid Corkis, Ezraels, Koggles and MFs ulti. You cannot avoid Fioras ulti.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
March 04 2012 14:00 GMT
#1030
I've met fiora top a few times and I think you just have to not fight her, you just back if she use her aspeed burst and dash, she can't do it many times because she runs oom fast. Besides she's easy to gang and so if you timed her ward, call for a gang. however she can dive easy at 6. Once it's time for teamfights, she's useless even if she has 30 CS more than you. Her ulti is the only thing making laning against her interesting because you can't allow yourself to be at less than 3/4 life.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-04 14:09:21
March 04 2012 14:08 GMT
#1031
On March 04 2012 22:44 Zhiroo wrote:
You can avoid Corkis, Ezraels, Koggles and MFs ulti. You cannot avoid Fioras ulti.

Not to mention it also makes her invulnerable for such a long time. She not only gets a massive amount of unavoidable damage, but it doubles as a way to let your other CDs come back up and to force anything that wants to attack you to afk and take free damage or to split their damage onto another target. A bit of lucky timing on its use can also avoid quite a bit of damage in the case of a missed skillshot. This is a classic case of an ability doing too much for too little.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 04 2012 14:12 GMT
#1032
On March 04 2012 23:08 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 22:44 Zhiroo wrote:
You can avoid Corkis, Ezraels, Koggles and MFs ulti. You cannot avoid Fioras ulti.

Not to mention it also makes her invulnerable for such a long time. She not only gets a massive amount of unavoidable damage, but it doubles as a way to let your other CDs come back up and to force anything that wants to attack you to afk and take free damage or to split their damage onto another target. A bit of lucky timing on its use can also avoid quite a bit of damage in the case of a missed skillshot. This is a classic case of an ability doing too much for too little.

Well it's shortranged and has no CC. Also afaik she only becomes untargetable, not invulnerable.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 04 2012 14:15 GMT
#1033
On March 04 2012 23:12 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 23:08 Craton wrote:
On March 04 2012 22:44 Zhiroo wrote:
You can avoid Corkis, Ezraels, Koggles and MFs ulti. You cannot avoid Fioras ulti.

Not to mention it also makes her invulnerable for such a long time. She not only gets a massive amount of unavoidable damage, but it doubles as a way to let your other CDs come back up and to force anything that wants to attack you to afk and take free damage or to split their damage onto another target. A bit of lucky timing on its use can also avoid quite a bit of damage in the case of a missed skillshot. This is a classic case of an ability doing too much for too little.

Well it's shortranged and has no CC. Also afaik she only becomes untargetable, not invulnerable.


I don't know. Would have to figure it out by seeing if DoTs/Ignite would still damage her in ult.
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locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
March 04 2012 14:19 GMT
#1034
https://twitter.com/#!/Locodoco/status/176251093838348288/photo/1
wassup yellow
i wish riot would give me better ping
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
March 04 2012 14:22 GMT
#1035
On March 04 2012 23:12 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 23:08 Craton wrote:
On March 04 2012 22:44 Zhiroo wrote:
You can avoid Corkis, Ezraels, Koggles and MFs ulti. You cannot avoid Fioras ulti.

Not to mention it also makes her invulnerable for such a long time. She not only gets a massive amount of unavoidable damage, but it doubles as a way to let your other CDs come back up and to force anything that wants to attack you to afk and take free damage or to split their damage onto another target. A bit of lucky timing on its use can also avoid quite a bit of damage in the case of a missed skillshot. This is a classic case of an ability doing too much for too little.

Well it's shortranged and has no CC. Also afaik she only becomes untargetable, not invulnerable.

It is untargetable, died a few times while in cast to ignite.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 04 2012 14:24 GMT
#1036
On March 04 2012 23:19 locodoco wrote:
https://twitter.com/#!/Locodoco/status/176251093838348288/photo/1
wassup yellow



Ooo so cool!
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
March 04 2012 14:25 GMT
#1037
On March 04 2012 23:19 locodoco wrote:
https://twitter.com/#!/Locodoco/status/176251093838348288/photo/1
wassup yellow

:o I jelly.

Why was he there ?
The legend of Darien lives on
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35156 Posts
March 04 2012 14:29 GMT
#1038
On March 04 2012 22:44 Zhiroo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 22:35 spinesheath wrote:
On March 04 2012 22:20 DarkCore wrote:
Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure her ultimate should expect a nerf soon. What kind of an AD champ does 1700 damage with an ult? Stupid.

Fiora: Max: 2125 + 5.1 AD spread over 4 targets, 1000 + 2.4 AD on 1 target
Corki: 7 Rockets, including 2 big ones: 1880 + 1.4 AD + 2.1 AP per target.
Ezreal: 650 + 1.0 AD + 0.9 AP per target, slightly decreasing per target.
Kog'Maw: 400 +0.5 AD + 0.3 AP per target and shot, 1 second cooldown.
MF: Max: 1000 + 3.6 AD + 1.6 AP per target.

Each of those can deal a good 2000 damage with their ults. Ok, it's magic damage. But Fiora is melee.


You can avoid Corkis, Ezraels, Koggles and MFs ulti. You cannot avoid Fioras ulti.


Unless you're the initial target, you can run out of it.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21726 Posts
March 04 2012 14:34 GMT
#1039
On March 04 2012 23:15 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 23:12 Shikyo wrote:
On March 04 2012 23:08 Craton wrote:
On March 04 2012 22:44 Zhiroo wrote:
You can avoid Corkis, Ezraels, Koggles and MFs ulti. You cannot avoid Fioras ulti.

Not to mention it also makes her invulnerable for such a long time. She not only gets a massive amount of unavoidable damage, but it doubles as a way to let your other CDs come back up and to force anything that wants to attack you to afk and take free damage or to split their damage onto another target. A bit of lucky timing on its use can also avoid quite a bit of damage in the case of a missed skillshot. This is a classic case of an ability doing too much for too little.

Well it's shortranged and has no CC. Also afaik she only becomes untargetable, not invulnerable.


I don't know. Would have to figure it out by seeing if DoTs/Ignite would still damage her in ult.


Even something like Rivens Ult slash can kill Fiora during her ult.
Likewise Fiddlesticks drain wont cancel if you ult him while he channels
And Fizz pole just stops your ult from working at all ><
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 04 2012 14:38 GMT
#1040
Fizz pole stops everything from working, though
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