[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 142

On March 14 2012 14:24 overt wrote:
So uh, to change topics a bit away from pro sports analogies and how well DotA pros would do in LoL (cause I think everyone can agree it'd be interesting to see them switch):

I agree with the general understanding that every champion, except maybe Evelynn is viable in the right team. And honestly I'm not convinced Eve isn't viable but I think no one wants to really spam games as her trying to get her to work somewhere. But, what would be consider the "most viable" and "least viable except for Eve" champions? For most viable I just mean a champion that can fit into pretty much any team comp who's strong during early, mid, and late game. Least viable would be a champion who's role is either really niche and/or has a significantly weaker early, mid, or late game?

For most viable I'd probably have to say that right now it's probably Lee Sin. He's strong during all points of the game, he can be run in the jungle or top lane and is really strong in both positions. It's like he never really falls off or gets weak unless you get significantly under farmed. In the jungle he's practically king, I can't think of someone who can just out-jungle him. And at top lane he has very few bad match ups.

Least viable I'm less sure on. Mostly cause there are so many champions that are really niche and that can work in specific situations. My gut, and lack of thought put into it, would probably just go with Heimerdinger because I feel like anything he does well other APs do better. It's not that he has a bad early/mid/late game but I think you'd really have to build a team around him rather than just throw him in. Of course, Heimer got ran at IPL by EG and did phenomenal so I don't think he's bad or anything but it just seems like there are so many better picks than him.

On March 14 2012 14:23 Glaceau wrote:
lol take the time to listen to any "up and coming western team and you'll quickly learn why they aren't going to change the scene anytime soon. All super stubborn/massive egos/etc that will never get anywhere because they can't see their own mistakes and aren't willing to play certain playstyles etc. what a mess these people are.

phantomlord's stream for a good example of this right now

On March 14 2012 14:37 robertdinh wrote:
What do you all think about wickd and snoopeh apparently being caught smurfing in a tourney?

On March 14 2012 14:37 robertdinh wrote:
What do you all think about wickd and snoopeh apparently being caught smurfing in a tourney?

On March 14 2012 15:06 robertdinh wrote:
I really feel like they deserve harsh punishment. The BW scene doesn't put up with this kind of tomfoolery.

I don't like that people are like "no biggy" when chauster or lapaka or wickd get caught smurfing in tourneys. These are pathetic human beings that have no real respect for esports.

On March 14 2012 15:09 overt wrote:


The Lapaka incident had a pretty harsh punishment.

The Chauster/missy thing was a tournament CLG ran. What kind of punishment should they have done? Ban themselves from future girls4lol tournaments? I'm sure CLGeu will get banned from EPS, but what else is ESL going to ban them from? IEM? That seems pretty ridiculous and over the line considering neither team involved have any shot of going to IEM. CLGeu does though.

Comparing the Korean match fixing scandal to this is retarded. It's like comparing robbing a bank with robbing a candy store.

On March 14 2012 15:27 Insanest wrote:
Is there any way to look at at a certain game from match history, and see the k/d/a of everyone instead of just yourself?

On March 14 2012 13:41 SnK-Arcbound wrote:

Dan dinh is a moron and the worst jungler on any team by a long shot. I have no idea why he even tries his stupid troll shit.

On March 14 2012 15:32 Glaceau wrote:


screenshot end games so you can come back to it if you want to see that stuff at a later time

or if it was really recent you can look at your recently played with list and match history everyone recalling from memory their scores.

On March 14 2012 14:02 TheYango wrote:
FFS I don't even know why people are arguing about the transferrable skillset. What I'm talking about had absolutely nothing to do with that.

My point is that Western progamers suck at practicing. To anyone who's watched any LoL progamer, this should be painfully obvious. To my knowledge, no Western ESports organization has replicated the successes and practice model of Chinese DotA or Korean Starcraft. The better practice environment is the *reason* that the level of competition in these countries has eventually outstripped their Western counterparts. So it doesn't matter how much of one's fundamentals from DotA transfer over to LoL--so long as progamers in Korea and China are better at improving, they will eventually surpass Western teams. It might take 2 years, it might take 5, but unless a Western LoL team really steps up, I believe it will happen.

On March 14 2012 14:24 overt wrote:
So uh, to change topics a bit away from pro sports analogies and how well DotA pros would do in LoL (cause I think everyone can agree it'd be interesting to see them switch):

I agree with the general understanding that every champion, except maybe Evelynn is viable in the right team. And honestly I'm not convinced Eve isn't viable but I think no one wants to really spam games as her trying to get her to work somewhere. But, what would be consider the "most viable" and "least viable except for Eve" champions? For most viable I just mean a champion that can fit into pretty much any team comp who's strong during early, mid, and late game. Least viable would be a champion who's role is either really niche and/or has a significantly weaker early, mid, or late game?

For most viable I'd probably have to say that right now it's probably Lee Sin. He's strong during all points of the game, he can be run in the jungle or top lane and is really strong in both positions. It's like he never really falls off or gets weak unless you get significantly under farmed. In the jungle he's practically king, I can't think of someone who can just out-jungle him. And at top lane he has very few bad match ups.

Least viable I'm less sure on. Mostly cause there are so many champions that are really niche and that can work in specific situations. My gut, and lack of thought put into it, would probably just go with Heimerdinger because I feel like anything he does well other APs do better. It's not that he has a bad early/mid/late game but I think you'd really have to build a team around him rather than just throw him in. Of course, Heimer got ran at IPL by EG and did phenomenal so I don't think he's bad or anything but it just seems like there are so many better picks than him.

On March 14 2012 15:50 r.Evo wrote:



This times and times and times again.

What most western progamers call "practice" is nothing more than playing a game. The practice routines and mindsets most of the western pros use are simply atrocious.


The real question for me is: Why is it so damn hard for western gamers to accept the same concepts that apply to every goddamn human trying to improve a certain task on this planet? - We're talking about stuff here that's common knowledge in basically every field I can think of - EXCEPT "professional gaming".

What Korean SC or Chinese DotA (from what I understand) does is nothing else than applying the same concepts behind training that work pretty damn well for humans since a few thousand years.



PS: I'm one of those people who believe that any "westerner" with the correct training+mindset will achieve just as much as any Korean or Chinese pro. People just tend to glorify their skill as something that they are unable to achieve due to some constraints in their DNA. -.-